Hitler's Many Failures

[Novaya Tselinoyarsk]

Hitler's first failure was trying to lead a country in the first place. Should of just stuck with doing bad portraits on the side of Berlin.

[Uraeli]

He was actually a pretty good politician up to 1940.

[Trotskylvania]

-Failure to provide suffecient forces to Erwin Rommel in North Africa

It was a distraction from the main Axis focus at best. And the British fleet still could savage attempts to send troops and supplies to North Africa. In all, it probably wasn't worth the resources necessary to take the Suez.

-Failure to occupy Dunkirk before BEF and French could escape

Dunkirk wasn't that big of a deal for the Germans. The evacuation was a tiny, tiny victory in a crushing defeat, and attempts to prevent the evacuation would have resulted in a very bloody battle. While the troops might have escaped, their equipment and war materiel did not, and that was what hurt the British War effort most of all. It was, in a sense, diplomatically fortunate for Hitler, because he had no real desire for a war with Britain, who he regarded as fellow Nordics. Bloodbath at Dunkirk wouldn't have helped his goals.

-Failure to seize lighty-defended Middle east, granting almost unlimited oil supplies

Middle Eastern oil was underdeveloped, and even if they could have sustained a campaign to take the Middle East, the oil would have been no use to the Germans, and would have been only a minor sting to the British war effort. He'd have no pipelines or servicable railways to get the oil to the Mediterranean, and no tankers to take it to Italy. The British, meanwhile, could still have access to American oil, and it's doubtful that taking the Middle East could have been successful, with the Soviet and British Indian Army already deployed in Iran to end a pro-Axis putsch.

-Failure to assault Malta

The resources necessary were better spent on the Eastern Front

-Failure to occupy French colonies, allowing Germans to occupy Spanish Morocco with our much trouble and use Luftwaffe to gain control of Gibraltar

The Germans simply didn't have the means to do any of this, espescially not while the Royal Navy still existed.

[Van Dalia]

No matter what Hitler did he would have lost the war. They could have prolonged it, but in the end the USA and USSR simply dwarfed them in industrial capacity, far too much so to overcome.

[United State of America]

Invaded the Soviet Union with an army that's ideology made it slaughter nearly everybody, lacked food, clothing, supplies and transports for a truly effective occupation force, faced enemies in literally every section of the country.

Treated his already poorly equipped allies like shit.

Ransacked the economies of occupied Europe to keep the German one going (causing partisans to spring up in vast numbers, which caused attacks, which caused bloodthirsty German reprisal attacks that only kept the partisan ranks thick).

Thought invading Britain was feasible (as well as conquering it)

Thought anybody needed to be exterminated

Fought against virtually the entire world

Had no plans for a real resistance movement should Germany fall

Had one ball

No matter what Hitler did he would have lost the war. They could have prolonged it, but in the end the USA and USSR simply dwarfed them in industrial capacity, far too much so to overcome.

pretty much this though

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

China, India, Britain, Australia, and New Zealand fight defensive wars until Europe is settled. USSR attacks Manchuria while reinforcements from Britain, Canada, South Africa, Egypt, France, Belgium, and Denmark arrive and push the Japanese back. Home Islands are isolated, possibly nuked by Britain instead of America. War ends late 1946 or early 1947.

What.

The British had no nuclear weapons program until the late 40s, early 50s? And without American intervention in the Pacific, there would be no China, India, Australia or New Zealand to fight defensive wars. I'm not saying "lulz USA won WWII" but they helped in both theatres, like all countries did. It was no one country. That includes Britain and their empire. The Allies won WWII.

Funny thing, they were already doing that.

[Spetsnaz GRU]

He was actually a pretty good politician up to 1940.

actully hitler was a really good politician... just not so good of a general, thats what screwed him

[Nude East Ireland]

What.

The British had no nuclear weapons program until the late 40s, early 50s? And without American intervention in the Pacific, there would be no China, India, Australia or New Zealand to fight defensive wars. I'm not saying "lulz USA won WWII" but they helped in both theatres, like all countries did. It was no one country. That includes Britain and their empire. The Allies won WWII.

Funny thing, they were already doing that.

Did you even read what I wrote? Japan would have conquered them.

[IshCong]

Funny thing, they were already doing that.

Did you even read what I wrote? Japan would have conquered them.

I wouldn't be so sure. In terms of logistic capacity, conquering China, Australia, New Zealand and India was impossible for Japan.
Of course, they would have run rampant in Southeast Asia for a while longer, and possibly been all the more difficult to pry out, if they were pried out at all, considering any further actions really would have had to come after Europe was won...and the European nations (like America in the original timeline) were utterly exhausted by the long war.

[Costa Fiero]

He was actually a pretty good politician up to 1940.

That's because he had charisma and could banter to what the people wanted. Such attitudes would have been ignored twenty years in either direction.

[New Sapienta]

Hey, remember when Americans held the city of Tobruk for several weeks despite constantly fighting off Rommel and his Afrika Corps? Or when Americans penetrated further inland than the rest of the allies at Normandy?

Oh, right, that's because America didn't do either of those.

Or when Americans won the Battle of Britain? Or the battle of El Alamein?
Quite funny how the Americans think they won the war.

BASELESS ASSUMPTIONS EVERYWHERE




You

A: Don't know if he's American
and B: Seem to claim he thought America was the only country that won, which is in no way what he said.

Not to mention the idea that Canada and Australia being the only reasons Hitler lost is ludicrous.

[Costa Fiero]

Did you even read what I wrote? Japan would have conquered them.

Right. And we should be grateful for what you people were doing despite the fact that the Aussies were doing pretty well in holding up against the Japanese in New Guinea.

I bet you don't even know about the Kokoda Trail.

[New Sapienta]

Did you even read what I wrote? Japan would have conquered them.

Right. And we should be grateful for what you people were doing despite the fact that the Aussies were doing pretty well in holding up against the Japanese in New Guinea.

I bet you don't even know about the Kokoda Trail.

Why the fuck not? Regardless of importance, America soldiers still died fighting the same enemy.

[Doughertania]

Or when Americans won the Battle of Britain? Or the battle of El Alamein?
Quite funny how the Americans think they won the war.

BASELESS ASSUMPTIONS EVERYWHERE




You

A: Don't know if he's American
and B: Seem to claim he thought America was the only country that won, which is in no way what he said.

Not to mention the idea that Canada and Australia being the only reasons Hitler lost is ludicrous.

THANK YOU! And besides, WWII was won through a combined effort, not 1 or 2 countries. Also, this thread isn't about who contributed the most or not. It is about Hitler's Many Failures.

[New Sapienta]

BASELESS ASSUMPTIONS EVERYWHERE




You

A: Don't know if he's American
and B: Seem to claim he thought America was the only country that won, which is in no way what he said.

Not to mention the idea that Canada and Australia being the only reasons Hitler lost is ludicrous.

THANK YOU! And besides, WWII was won through a combined effort, not 1 or 2 countries. Also, this thread isn't about who contributed the most or not. It is about Hitler's Many Failures.

Indeed, beacause their are Americans that believe we came in on a golden chariot with rainbbows shooting out of our ass, Non-Americans seem to think all Americans do.

The funny thing is though, I'm criticising a stereotype of a stereotype, by using a stereotype.

[Medok]

Even without America's help, Hitler still would have lost to the Russians.

[Costa Fiero]

Why the fuck not? Regardless of importance, America soldiers still died fighting the same enemy.

Because you didn't really save us? Australia and New Zealand were handy staging points for operations against Guadacanal. The Japanese at this stage were more focused on the United States and had suffered setbacks in New Guinea against the Australians. Actually invading Australia or New Zealand would have put them way beyond their supply capabilities. Australia especially because of its sheer size.

[Doughertania]

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[New Sapienta]

Even without America's help, Hitler still would have lost to the Russians.

Would have taken much longer though.

And the suppies we sent in peacetime were a giant help.

[IshCong]

BASELESS ASSUMPTIONS EVERYWHERE




You

A: Don't know if he's American
and B: Seem to claim he thought America was the only country that won, which is in no way what he said.

Not to mention the idea that Canada and Australia being the only reasons Hitler lost is ludicrous.

THANK YOU! And besides, WWII was won through a combined effort, not 1 or 2 countries. Also, this thread isn't about who contributed the most or not. It is about Hitler's Many Failures.

That said, would really rather not try it without the US and USSR.

As for Hitler's 'mistakes', while numerous, some wouldn't have changed much. The classic 'attacked Russia', for example. Russia was not going to sit idly by, they were invading sooner or later.

Some others mentioned not undertaking Operation Sea Lion. I feel inclined to point out, even with air superiority, it is still extremely doubtful Sea Lion could have ever succeeded.
EDIT: Now with convenient reference: Convenient reference is convenient.

[IshCong]

Why the fuck not? Regardless of importance, America soldiers still died fighting the same enemy.

Because you didn't really save us? Australia and New Zealand were handy staging points for operations against Guadacanal. The Japanese at this stage were more focused on the United States and had suffered setbacks in New Guinea against the Australians. Actually invading Australia or New Zealand would have put them way beyond their supply capabilities. Australia especially because of its sheer size.

Did anyone read my comment on this above?

[Medok]

Even without America's help, Hitler still would have lost to the Russians.

Would have taken much longer though.

And the suppies we sent in peacetime were a giant help.

Would have taken maybe a year longer. Britain would've been able to achieve air superiority, by itself, and the war would've ended slightly later.

[New Sapienta]

Why the fuck not? Regardless of importance, America soldiers still died fighting the same enemy.

Because you didn't really save us? Australia and New Zealand were handy staging points for operations against Guadacanal. The Japanese at this stage were more focused on the United States and had suffered setbacks in New Guinea against the Australians. Actually invading Australia or New Zealand would have put them way beyond their supply capabilities. Australia especially because of its sheer size.

So, the Americans that died in World War 2, do not deserve your gratitude for what they did?

I am certaintly grateful the Canadians, Australians, Brazilians, British, French, Dutch, Russian, Polish, Danish, Belgian, and Norwegian soldiers died for a good cause.

Yet they did not personally save my country.

[Radiatia]

Although NS isn't a necessarily military -savvy place

You need to spend more time on the RP forums my friend

[New Sapienta]

Would have taken much longer though.

And the suppies we sent in peacetime were a giant help.

Would have taken maybe a year longer. Britain would've been able to achieve air superiority, by itself, and the war would've ended slightly later.

Would have taken more than one year, that actually did a study that said around five years, but my efforts to find it are not being fruitful.