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Postby Gravlen » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:38 pm

The situation is... interesting.

I just hope it stays relatively non-violent, and that they'll come to an understanding soon.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:41 pm

Farnhamia wrote:Now, Zelaya had a point in saying that they should have hauled him into court rather than hauling him out of the country, but from what I can tell, the Army, the Congress and the Supreme Court all acted properly, within the law.

How was forcing him into exile legal?

And what crimes have the vice president committed?
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Postby Orlkjestad » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:11 pm

Bump.
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Postby Mikertaz Kein » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:27 pm

Venezuela should be exterminated along with all countries that start with a V, U, B, N, and I.

Just sayin...
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:30 pm

Mikertaz Kein wrote:Venezuela should be exterminated along with all countries that start with a V, U, B, N, and I.

Just sayin...


Venezuela
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Norway
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They should all be exterminated? ;)
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:06 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Mikertaz Kein wrote:Venezuela should be exterminated along with all countries that start with a V, U, B, N, and I.

Just sayin...


Venezuela
Uruguay
Bolivia
Belize
Belarus
Bhutan
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Namibia
Nigeria
Niger
Nicaragua
Norway
Netherlands
Ireland
Iran
Italy
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Israel
Indonesia
Iraq

They should all be exterminated? ;)

You forgot Vatican city
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Postby Orlkjestad » Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:35 pm

greed and death wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Mikertaz Kein wrote:Venezuela should be exterminated along with all countries that start with a V, U, B, N, and I.

Just sayin...


Venezuela
Uruguay
Bolivia
Belize
Belarus
Bhutan
Bangladesh
Namibia
Nigeria
Niger
Nicaragua
Norway
Netherlands
Ireland
Iran
Italy
Iceland
Israel
Indonesia
Iraq

They should all be exterminated? ;)

You forgot Vatican city

And the United States...
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:56 pm

The UN has suspended any assistance for elections scheduled for 29 November. A statement said Secretary General Ban Ki-moon did not not believe conditions were right for "credible elections".

I'm uncertain if that is a smart move, but I understand his worries.
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Postby The_pantless_hero » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:59 pm

Gravlen wrote:The UN has suspended any assistance for elections scheduled for 29 November. A statement said Secretary General Ban Ki-moon did not not believe conditions were right for "credible elections".

I'm uncertain if that is a smart move, but I understand his worries.

The move is an asinine power play. It proves nothing and does nothing.
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Postby Gift-of-god » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:34 am

Gravlen wrote:The UN has suspended any assistance for elections scheduled for 29 November. A statement said Secretary General Ban Ki-moon did not not believe conditions were right for "credible elections".

I'm uncertain if that is a smart move, but I understand his worries.


Considering the fact that the military is supposedly in chargeof running the elections in Honduras, and the fact that they were also partly responsible for the disruption of democracy in Honduras, this seems like an intelligent observation by the UN Sec. Gen.

Perhpas assistance could be tied to some sort of accord wherein international observers can monitor the whole election process.
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Postby Aelosia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:09 am

Gift-of-god wrote:
Gravlen wrote:The UN has suspended any assistance for elections scheduled for 29 November. A statement said Secretary General Ban Ki-moon did not not believe conditions were right for "credible elections".

I'm uncertain if that is a smart move, but I understand his worries.


Considering the fact that the military is supposedly in chargeof running the elections in Honduras, and the fact that they were also partly responsible for the disruption of democracy in Honduras, this seems like an intelligent observation by the UN Sec. Gen.

Perhpas assistance could be tied to some sort of accord wherein international observers can monitor the whole election process.


Couldn't agree more with this. The problem is, that in Latin America, the army or the armed forces are aways in charge of monitoring the security of electoral proccess, but here those armed forces aren't neutral enough.

Quite a conumdrum.
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Postby Gravlen » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:43 am

Can an election under the present circumstances be free and fair?
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:07 pm

Gravlen wrote:The UN has suspended any assistance for elections scheduled for 29 November. A statement said Secretary General Ban Ki-moon did not not believe conditions were right for "credible elections".

I'm uncertain if that is a smart move, but I understand his worries.

well it means no matter what happens in the election the UN will still say Zelaya is president.
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Postby Aelosia » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:09 pm

Gravlen wrote:Can an election under the present circumstances be free and fair?


Too much data hasn't been determined and too many variables are still free and out of control as to determine a good and coherent answer to that question.
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Postby Soyut » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:28 pm

I'm sorry but I do not approve of Zeleya coming back. He fuckin stormed a military base so he could hold an illegal vote. It's really the same sort of strong-arm tactics that Hugo Chavez used to slowly gain power. I'm not saying that the congress responded in the proper democratic fashion, but considering the recent history of brutal dictatorships in South America, I would not treat mr. Zeleya's actions lightly.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:41 pm

Aelosia wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Can an election under the present circumstances be free and fair?


Too much data hasn't been determined and too many variables are still free and out of control as to determine a good and coherent answer to that question.

I think best that could happen is the UN OAS observes/runs the election and ensures it is fair.
In exchange the military accepts the results and
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