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Postby Norstal » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:28 pm

Fr33domland wrote:
Zirconim wrote:I like how you associate hardcore atheism and antitheism with socialism...
I like how you pretend that the correlation doesn't exist and are just looking to argue about something.

Correlation does not equal causation and this is a forum where everyone argues...
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Postby Zirconim » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:35 pm

Fr33domland wrote:
Zirconim wrote:I like how you associate hardcore atheism and antitheism with socialism...
I like how you pretend that the correlation doesn't exist and are just looking to argue about something.

You don't see me pointing out the correlation between your name of Fr33domland and your flag of the U.S.A. and your ignorance.
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Postby Fr33domland » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:39 pm

Zirconim wrote:
Fr33domland wrote:I like how you pretend that the correlation doesn't exist and are just looking to argue about something.

You don't see me pointing out the correlation between your name of Fr33domland and your flag of the U.S.A. and your ignorance.
Please refer me to where you pointed this out. Excuse my ignorance, but I don't recall anything of the sort. You seem to be attempting to hijack this thread with off topic drivel and I therefore feel compelled to whine to the moderators to shut you up. Sorry, but apparently that's the way things work here.

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Postby Zirconim » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:42 pm

Fr33domland wrote:
Zirconim wrote:You don't see me pointing out the correlation between your name of Fr33domland and your flag of the U.S.A. and your ignorance.
Please refer me to where you pointed this out. Excuse my ignorance, but I don't recall anything of the sort. You seem to be attempting to hijack this thread with off topic drivel and I therefore feel compelled to whine to the moderators to shut you up. Sorry, but apparently that's the way things work here.

A hijack, you say? I was pointing out a flaw in what you said, and you further pursue it for whatever reason, perhaps your dislike of being countered. But this is a forum, and we argue here.
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Postby Fr33domland » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:43 pm

Zirconim wrote:
Fr33domland wrote:Please refer me to where you pointed this out. Excuse my ignorance, but I don't recall anything of the sort. You seem to be attempting to hijack this thread with off topic drivel and I therefore feel compelled to whine to the moderators to shut you up. Sorry, but apparently that's the way things work here.

A hijack, you say? I was pointing out a flaw in what you said, and you further pursue it for whatever reason, perhaps your dislike of being countered. But this is a forum, and we argue here.
What flaw?

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Postby Zirconim » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:45 pm

Fr33domland wrote:
Zirconim wrote:A hijack, you say? I was pointing out a flaw in what you said, and you further pursue it for whatever reason, perhaps your dislike of being countered. But this is a forum, and we argue here.
What flaw?

This one:
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Fr33domland wrote:There is no evidence of god hence there isn't one. However, being an atheist does not make one right about everything and theists wrong about everything. Which is a common misperception among the rabid, socialist types.

I like how you associate hardcore atheism and antitheism with socialism...

I like how you got so worked up over this simple correction.
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Postby Zachrastan » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:46 pm

As a Christian, i can tell you that yes, there is a god.
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Postby Fr33domland » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:47 pm

Zirconim wrote:
Fr33domland wrote:What flaw?

This one:
Zirconim wrote:I like how you associate hardcore atheism and antitheism with socialism...

I like how you got so worked up over this simple correction.
No flaw, indeed.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:47 pm

Zachrastan wrote:As a Christian, i can tell you that yes, there is a god.

As a freethinker who utilizes the scientific method, I can tell you that you need to provide proof to go with positive claims.
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Postby Zirconim » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:48 pm

Zachrastan wrote:As a Christian, i can tell you that yes, there is a god.

It would make more sense to say that you believe in god, than to say there is a god, with no backing in the statement rather than it being your ideology...
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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:48 pm

Zachrastan wrote:As a Christian, i can tell you that yes, there is a god.

As an atheist, I can tell you that maybe their isn't.

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Postby Zirconim » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:48 pm

Fr33domland wrote:
Zirconim wrote:This one:

I like how you got so worked up over this simple correction.
No flaw, indeed.

Really? No flaw? So every antitheist is a socialist and vice versa?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:49 pm

Fr33domland wrote:
Zirconim wrote:This one:

I like how you got so worked up over this simple correction.
No flaw, indeed.

Considering the vast minority that is atheism and anti-theism in the world as apposed to the amount of people who identify with socialists, your claim is wrong.

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Postby Cu Math » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:50 pm

As a weary Quantum Physics student, i can tell you these threads are getting tiring.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:50 pm

Zachrastan wrote:As a Christian, i can tell you that yes, there is a god.

No bias detection here, nope.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:51 pm

Cu Math wrote:As a weary Quantum Physics student, i can tell you these threads are getting tiring.

And yet here you are. The soul draining is nearing completion.

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Postby Cu Math » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:51 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Fr33domland wrote:No flaw, indeed.

Considering the vast minority that is atheism and anti-theism in the world as apposed to the amount of people who identify with socialists, your claim is wrong.

Its just the American lack of understanding of what the word socialism MEANS thats kicking up this crapstorm.
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Postby The Mizarian Empire » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:51 pm

I find the pills of Christianity hard to swallow for one reason, bearing in mind that while I am primarily atheist. I have no grudge against my fellow man irregardless of his/her religious/spiritual/philosophical beliefs so long as they do not spell out committing violence or genocide. With that in mind lets go on a walk shall we?

Listed below is why, if Christianity's god was truly real, his counterpart, the devil/Satan is stronger:

Because of original sin, Man will go to hell.
However God desires all men be saved.
In an effort to save man, god spends several thousand years devising a plan.
Said plan involves the birth, 33 year life and death of his only son.
HOWEVER this plan is only going to save the lucky group(s) that actually hear and believe in this.

All of this is an attempt to prevent/undo the damage done by a single conversion from Satan...and its failing.
This leads me to believe one of if both of these things: Either Satan is more powerful or more intelligent than god.
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Postby Cu Math » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:52 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Cu Math wrote:As a weary Quantum Physics student, i can tell you these threads are getting tiring.

And yet here you are. The soul draining is nearing completion.

I gave up my soul to max barry when i joined NS
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Postby Zirconim » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:52 pm

Cu Math wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Considering the vast minority that is atheism and anti-theism in the world as apposed to the amount of people who identify with socialists, your claim is wrong.

Its just the American lack of understanding of what the word socialism MEANS thats kicking up this crapstorm.

...explain. As far as I've seen, the people who misuse the term "Socialist" the most are the people that identify with it the least.
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Postby Fr33domland » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:53 pm

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:53 pm

The Mizarian Empire wrote:I find the pills of Christianity hard to swallow for one reason, bearing in mind that while I am primarily atheist. I have no grudge against my fellow man irregardless of his/her religious/spiritual/philosophical beliefs so long as they do not spell out committing violence or genocide. With that in mind lets go on a walk shall we?

Listed below is why, if Christianity's god was truly real, his counterpart, the devil/Satan is stronger:

Because of original sin, Man will go to hell.
However God desires all men be saved.
In an effort to save man, god spends several thousand years devising a plan.
Said plan involves the birth, 33 year life and death of his only son.
HOWEVER this plan is only going to save the lucky group(s) that actually hear and believe in this.

All of this is an attempt to prevent/undo the damage done by a single conversion from Satan...and its failing.
This leads me to believe one of if both of these things: Either Satan is more powerful or more intelligent than god.

Or that none of that makes any sense anyway.

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Postby Cu Math » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:53 pm

The Mizarian Empire wrote:I find the pills of Christianity hard to swallow for one reason, bearing in mind that while I am primarily atheist. I have no grudge against my fellow man irregardless of his/her religious/spiritual/philosophical beliefs so long as they do not spell out committing violence or genocide. With that in mind lets go on a walk shall we?

Listed below is why, if Christianity's god was truly real, his counterpart, the devil/Satan is stronger:

Because of original sin, Man will go to hell.
However God desires all men be saved.
In an effort to save man, god spends several thousand years devising a plan.
Said plan involves the birth, 33 year life and death of his only son.
HOWEVER this plan is only going to save the lucky group(s) that actually hear and believe in this.

All of this is an attempt to prevent/undo the damage done by a single conversion from Satan...and its failing.
This leads me to believe one of if both of these things: Either Satan is more powerful or more intelligent than god.

Total Death toll from satan: 2
Total death toll from god >1000
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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:54 pm

Fr33domland wrote:A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

Cool, you can quote Wikipedia.

Gotta point?

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Postby Tovaslavia » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:54 pm

From what I know, there is no God, but I do keep my eyes out open for unicorns

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