NATION

PASSWORD

Is There a God?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Jerusalem and Damascus
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5632
Founded: Oct 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:14 pm

Norstal wrote:
Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
Nope, scientists agree that the truest statement in the universe is

"Jerusalem and Damascus is a very sexy beast. And humble, too."

As a scientist in training, no. Don't make me alert the Science Police.


It's in very many peer-reviewed journals, like this one...

*slides you an envelope*

I'm sure you'll love to read what's inside. Very sure.
Roman Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist ala the Duma, Political Pluralist, Laissez-Faire Capitalist, Civil Libertarian (Don't have a link for this one -- just let people do as they do, so to speak)
Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00

NUMBER ONE ON KARINZISTAN'S NATION STATES LIST. HELLS YEAH.
Official recipient of Cu Math's "Let's Be Civil" Potato
How physicists I've met seem to function.

User avatar
Norstal
Post Czar
 
Posts: 41465
Founded: Mar 07, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Norstal » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:16 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:
Austiana wrote:Now, I suppose I am a Christian, however I am not completely convinced that there is a god looking over me 24/7. Now, there probably has been THOUSANDS of these forums but I'm just interested, what are your beliefs and what do you think?

Note: Please do not argue with each other, we are all entitled to believe in what we want to believe in


You know, it's not necessary to believe in a god to be a Christian. In fact, I would argue that belief in a god is incompatible with being a Christian.

Just say the underline part and not the bolded part. You'll have an easier time convincing people that way.
Toronto Sun wrote:Best poster ever. ★★★★★


New York Times wrote:No one can beat him in debates. 5/5.


IGN wrote:Literally the best game I've ever played. 10/10


NSG Public wrote:What a fucking douchebag.



Supreme Chairman for Life of the Itty Bitty Kitty Committee

User avatar
New Heathera
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1082
Founded: Oct 21, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby New Heathera » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:19 pm

I believe there is a god. I pray to him in times of extreme crisis. I thank him in times of extreme luck. But, when you look at crimes against humanity like the holocaust, Stalin's purges, and the slave trade, I wonder why a God would allow that to happen.

User avatar
Hittanryan
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9061
Founded: Mar 10, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Hittanryan » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:20 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Okay, let's assume there is a god. How did it get there?

I dont know, but i (and some 5 billion others) think that a theory of god creating everything is still a better theory than the others.

Well, you and however many others can think that. You won't be right, but you can think it. Just don't try to force it on the rest of us.
In-character name of the nation is "Adiron," because I like the name better.

User avatar
Norstal
Post Czar
 
Posts: 41465
Founded: Mar 07, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Norstal » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:25 pm

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
Norstal wrote:As a scientist in training, no. Don't make me alert the Science Police.


It's in very many peer-reviewed journals, like this one...

*slides you an envelope*

I'm sure you'll love to read what's inside. Very sure.

*Arrests you and places you next to the creationists.*

:P
Toronto Sun wrote:Best poster ever. ★★★★★


New York Times wrote:No one can beat him in debates. 5/5.


IGN wrote:Literally the best game I've ever played. 10/10


NSG Public wrote:What a fucking douchebag.



Supreme Chairman for Life of the Itty Bitty Kitty Committee

User avatar
Jerusalem and Damascus
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5632
Founded: Oct 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:28 pm

Norstal wrote:
Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
It's in very many peer-reviewed journals, like this one...

*slides you an envelope*

I'm sure you'll love to read what's inside. Very sure.

*Arrests you and places you next to the creationists.*

:P


Not only is my life ruined, but my pride is hurt.
Roman Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist ala the Duma, Political Pluralist, Laissez-Faire Capitalist, Civil Libertarian (Don't have a link for this one -- just let people do as they do, so to speak)
Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00

NUMBER ONE ON KARINZISTAN'S NATION STATES LIST. HELLS YEAH.
Official recipient of Cu Math's "Let's Be Civil" Potato
How physicists I've met seem to function.

User avatar
Ceannairceach
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26637
Founded: Sep 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:29 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Okay, let's assume there is a god. How did it get there?

I dont know, but i (and some 5 billion others) think that a theory of god creating everything is still a better theory than the others.

Oh? Its a theory now? When did that happen?

@}-;-'---

"But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most..." -Mark Twain

User avatar
Ski Apache Nation
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 354
Founded: Feb 12, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Ski Apache Nation » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:30 pm

Austiana wrote:Now, I suppose I am a Christian, however I am not completely convinced that there is a god looking over me 24/7. Now, there probably has been THOUSANDS of these forums but I'm just interested, what are your beliefs and what do you think?

Note: Please do not argue with each other, we are all entitled to believe in what we want to believe in


I think it's more confusing to ask "Is there not a God?"

User avatar
Ski Apache Nation
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 354
Founded: Feb 12, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Ski Apache Nation » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:31 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I dont know, but i (and some 5 billion others) think that a theory of god creating everything is still a better theory than the others.

Oh? Its a theory now? When did that happen?


Ha! Like there are any actual theories that try to explain why there doesn't need to be one!

User avatar
The Cummunist State
Minister
 
Posts: 2045
Founded: Sep 16, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby The Cummunist State » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:32 pm

Ski Apache Nation wrote:
Austiana wrote:Now, I suppose I am a Christian, however I am not completely convinced that there is a god looking over me 24/7. Now, there probably has been THOUSANDS of these forums but I'm just interested, what are your beliefs and what do you think?

Note: Please do not argue with each other, we are all entitled to believe in what we want to believe in


I think it's more confusing to ask "Is there not a God?"

That's why no logical people do. Burden of proof is on the Theist, after all
"Harry slammed his book shut! It wasn't really a book, because the pages were made of lasers! And the words were made of headless women making godless love to dragons made out of motorcycles. But it was still reading."
My Real flag (For roleplaying purposes) It may look badly photoshopped, but damnit that's what it really looks like.
I'm your local gay furry black jewish Atheist KKK member. Roll in the Hate.
(in all seriousness, I am Bisexual, Furry, and Atheist)


"I'm just like you
Better than He!
To hell with They!!
I'm almost me!
I'm almost a human being!"
--Voltaire

User avatar
Ceannairceach
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26637
Founded: Sep 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:34 pm

Ski Apache Nation wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Oh? Its a theory now? When did that happen?


Ha! Like there are any actual theories that try to explain why there doesn't need to be one!

You can't have a theory that expressly says what doesn't happen, only what does happen. What doesn't happen is inferred from what does.

Therefore, we don't need theories saying that god doesn't exist, only saying that he does.

@}-;-'---

"But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most..." -Mark Twain

User avatar
Ski Apache Nation
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 354
Founded: Feb 12, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Ski Apache Nation » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:11 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Ski Apache Nation wrote:
Ha! Like there are any actual theories that try to explain why there doesn't need to be one!

You can't have a theory that expressly says what doesn't happen, only what does happen. What doesn't happen is inferred from what does.

Therefore, we don't need theories saying that god doesn't exist, only saying that he does.


You don't need theories for missing information?

I'm sorry, but not understanding where the universe came from seems a crippling error.

And don't give me "Big Bang" because that's a causa sui.

User avatar
Tlaceceyaya
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9932
Founded: Oct 17, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:18 pm

Ski Apache Nation wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:You can't have a theory that expressly says what doesn't happen, only what does happen. What doesn't happen is inferred from what does.

Therefore, we don't need theories saying that god doesn't exist, only saying that he does.


You don't need theories for missing information?

I'm sorry, but not understanding where the universe came from seems a crippling error.

And don't give me "Big Bang" because that's a causa sui.

The big bang is not how the universe came to exist. The big bang is why the universe is expanding.
Economic Left/Right -9.75, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -8.87
Also, Bonobos.
I am a market socialist, atheist, more to come maybe at some point
Dimitri Tsafendas wrote:You are guilty not only when you commit a crime, but also when you do nothing to prevent it when you have the chance.

User avatar
The Cummunist State
Minister
 
Posts: 2045
Founded: Sep 16, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby The Cummunist State » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:34 pm

Ski Apache Nation wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:You can't have a theory that expressly says what doesn't happen, only what does happen. What doesn't happen is inferred from what does.

Therefore, we don't need theories saying that god doesn't exist, only saying that he does.


You don't need theories for missing information?

I'm sorry, but not understanding where the universe came from seems a crippling error.

And don't give me "Big Bang" because that's a causa sui.

Yes, we don't know everything. Neither do Theists with their god of the gaps crap.
"Harry slammed his book shut! It wasn't really a book, because the pages were made of lasers! And the words were made of headless women making godless love to dragons made out of motorcycles. But it was still reading."
My Real flag (For roleplaying purposes) It may look badly photoshopped, but damnit that's what it really looks like.
I'm your local gay furry black jewish Atheist KKK member. Roll in the Hate.
(in all seriousness, I am Bisexual, Furry, and Atheist)


"I'm just like you
Better than He!
To hell with They!!
I'm almost me!
I'm almost a human being!"
--Voltaire

User avatar
Ende
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7475
Founded: Jan 23, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Ende » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:37 pm

The Cummunist State wrote:
Ski Apache Nation wrote:
You don't need theories for missing information?

I'm sorry, but not understanding where the universe came from seems a crippling error.

And don't give me "Big Bang" because that's a causa sui.

Yes, we don't know everything. Neither do Theists with their god of the gaps crap.

I've come to the conclusion that nobody knows the answers at all.

The best thing to do is not worry about it a whole lot and show love to the rest of humanity in whatever form possible and attempt to be the best person you can be.

Or you could just waste more time attempting to find the answers, but that frankly just seems depressing.

User avatar
The Cummunist State
Minister
 
Posts: 2045
Founded: Sep 16, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby The Cummunist State » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:41 pm

Ende wrote:
The Cummunist State wrote:Yes, we don't know everything. Neither do Theists with their god of the gaps crap.

I've come to the conclusion that nobody knows the answers at all.

The best thing to do is not worry about it a whole lot and show love to the rest of humanity in whatever form possible and attempt to be the best person you can be.

Or you could just waste more time attempting to find the answers, but that frankly just seems depressing.

Why does it seem depressing? I think finding answers is a wondrous activity. It gave us all we have now, at least.
"Harry slammed his book shut! It wasn't really a book, because the pages were made of lasers! And the words were made of headless women making godless love to dragons made out of motorcycles. But it was still reading."
My Real flag (For roleplaying purposes) It may look badly photoshopped, but damnit that's what it really looks like.
I'm your local gay furry black jewish Atheist KKK member. Roll in the Hate.
(in all seriousness, I am Bisexual, Furry, and Atheist)


"I'm just like you
Better than He!
To hell with They!!
I'm almost me!
I'm almost a human being!"
--Voltaire

User avatar
Ende
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7475
Founded: Jan 23, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Ende » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:44 pm

The Cummunist State wrote:
Ende wrote:I've come to the conclusion that nobody knows the answers at all.

The best thing to do is not worry about it a whole lot and show love to the rest of humanity in whatever form possible and attempt to be the best person you can be.

Or you could just waste more time attempting to find the answers, but that frankly just seems depressing.

Why does it seem depressing? I think finding answers is a wondrous activity. It gave us all we have now, at least.

That's true.

The only problem is that I don't believe the answers will be found within my lifetime. It may be a pursuit worth taking, but I don't believe I'll ever get to the destination. All I believe I can do is take my best guess and choose what I see to be a good ideology.

It's a wondrous activity, but one that will never bring the results you want.
Last edited by Ende on Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Ceannairceach
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 26637
Founded: Sep 05, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:44 pm

Ski Apache Nation wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:You can't have a theory that expressly says what doesn't happen, only what does happen. What doesn't happen is inferred from what does.

Therefore, we don't need theories saying that god doesn't exist, only saying that he does.


You don't need theories for missing information?

I'm sorry, but not understanding where the universe came from seems a crippling error.

And don't give me "Big Bang" because that's a causa sui.

If information is missing, you formulate a hypothesis on this information (ie I think all bananas are red), and test it. If you are wrong, then the information is no longer missing, is it?

@}-;-'---

"But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most..." -Mark Twain

User avatar
Jerusalem and Damascus
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5632
Founded: Oct 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:09 pm

Ende wrote:
The Cummunist State wrote:Why does it seem depressing? I think finding answers is a wondrous activity. It gave us all we have now, at least.

That's true.

The only problem is that I don't believe the answers will be found within my lifetime. It may be a pursuit worth taking, but I don't believe I'll ever get to the destination. All I believe I can do is take my best guess and choose what I see to be a good ideology.

It's a wondrous activity, but one that will never bring the results you want.


As the tag line of Dwarf Fortress goes

"Losing is fun!"
Roman Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist ala the Duma, Political Pluralist, Laissez-Faire Capitalist, Civil Libertarian (Don't have a link for this one -- just let people do as they do, so to speak)
Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.00

NUMBER ONE ON KARINZISTAN'S NATION STATES LIST. HELLS YEAH.
Official recipient of Cu Math's "Let's Be Civil" Potato
How physicists I've met seem to function.

User avatar
Amland
Diplomat
 
Posts: 512
Founded: Nov 24, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Amland » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:12 pm

No
Presidential Republic of Amland
Strength, Confidence, Willingness
Factbook
The Amland News
Economical Info (NSEconomy)

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36
1 - Nuclear War
2 - World War
3 - War
4 - Conflict
5 - Peacetime
Amland is a modern tech nation, but a little more developed. It is just about as developed as Japan, technology-wise.
I am a leftist. I am against capitalism, anti-*lost text* and pro-democracy.

User avatar
Zirconim
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5778
Founded: Nov 20, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Zirconim » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:13 pm

Highly unlikely.

Y U NO TIENES POLL?
Embassies In: Cosumar
Israslovakahzerbajan
Lemonius
Tech: PMT/FT
Economic: -3.00
Socially: -5.64

"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all." -Mario Savio
Featured Album(s):
Sukekiyo-Immortalis
Featured Song(s):
David Bowie-Blackstar

User avatar
Fr33domland
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 480
Founded: Mar 06, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Fr33domland » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:16 pm

There is no evidence of god hence there isn't one. However, being an atheist does not make one right about everything and theists wrong about everything. Which is a common misperception among the rabid, socialist types.

User avatar
Zirconim
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5778
Founded: Nov 20, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Zirconim » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:20 pm

Fr33domland wrote:There is no evidence of god hence there isn't one. However, being an atheist does not make one right about everything and theists wrong about everything. Which is a common misperception among the rabid, socialist types.

I like how you associate hardcore atheism and antitheism with socialism...
Embassies In: Cosumar
Israslovakahzerbajan
Lemonius
Tech: PMT/FT
Economic: -3.00
Socially: -5.64

"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious—makes you so sick at heart—that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all." -Mario Savio
Featured Album(s):
Sukekiyo-Immortalis
Featured Song(s):
David Bowie-Blackstar

User avatar
Tlaceceyaya
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9932
Founded: Oct 17, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:21 pm

Fr33domland wrote:There is no evidence of god hence there isn't one. However, being an atheist does not make one right about everything and theists wrong about everything. Which is a common misperception among the rabid, socialist types.

I would take offence to that if I had rabies.
Economic Left/Right -9.75, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -8.87
Also, Bonobos.
I am a market socialist, atheist, more to come maybe at some point
Dimitri Tsafendas wrote:You are guilty not only when you commit a crime, but also when you do nothing to prevent it when you have the chance.

User avatar
Fr33domland
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 480
Founded: Mar 06, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Fr33domland » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:27 pm

Zirconim wrote:
Fr33domland wrote:There is no evidence of god hence there isn't one. However, being an atheist does not make one right about everything and theists wrong about everything. Which is a common misperception among the rabid, socialist types.

I like how you associate hardcore atheism and antitheism with socialism...
I like how you pretend that the correlation doesn't exist and are just looking to argue about something.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ezzer, Imperiul romanum, Independent Galactic States, Jilia, Kingdom of Castille, Ostroeuropa, The Rio Grande River Basin, The Selkie

Advertisement

Remove ads