Is There a God?

[Ebrithil]

Also, this. It's lighter and further makes my point.

[Mavorpen]

Yes there is a God and Jesus! Where do you think you go when you die?!

Valhalla.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Yes there is a God and Jesus! Where do you think you go when you die?!

I can't believe I need to use this again.



Proof of an afterlife, more specifically.

[Samuraikoku]

Yes there is a God and Jesus! Where do you think you go when you die?!

Probably to a new game, or if someone inserts a coin, to the same place I was before I died.

[DaWoad]

that's a fallacy. A common fallacy but a fallacy none the less. Believing in something is not equivalent to not believing it. Primarily because it's impossible to prove something untestable doesn't exist.

Believing that deities exist and believing that they do not are both beliefs.

this is false. There's this thing called burden of proof which basically means that the person attempting to claim something exists has to prove it. It's why we don't go around assuming that there is a magical invisible unicorn with wish granting powers around each corner. You can't prove it's not there but you're also not going to believe

One may be in opposition to the other, but they are still beliefs.

lack of belief is not a belief.

And as such, believing that there are no deities at all is speculative, since we do not have sufficient knowledge to prove it. It is entirely possible to prove it. If I believed that there were pink elephants in Mogadishu, and you believed otherwise, you could disprove my assertion by simply going to Mogadishu and recording the number - or lack thereof - of pink elephants. Naturally, such a scientific method is infeasible when discussing deism.

because they're untestable and therefore held to be false . . .scientifically that is. if you make the claim that there are pink elephants it's on you to prove that they exist, not on me to go there and try to prove you false (specifically because you can say things like "did you check allll of mogadish, including that secret tunnel under that one place etc.)

well no, but they suggest we know more than your previous post suggested.

My original post read "We know barely anything about the universe". I do not see how knowing how many stars are in the Milky Way refutes this.

we know quite a bit including some extraneous information we wouldn't if we knew "barely anything".

[Ebrithil]

I met someone who believes that after you die, you restart your life and get a second chance at doing things better than you did last time. A nice thought, i suppose.

[Samuraikoku]

I met someone who believes that after you die, you restart your life and get a second chance at doing things better than you did last time. A nice thought, i suppose.

Provided you have enough coins to keep the game going. Or a saved checkpoint or savegame.

[Zottistan]

really? how so?

Because there's a god.

Ah, circular arguments. You gotta love them. Oh, wait, you don't.

Yes there is a God and Jesus! Where do you think you go when you die?!

Into a wooden box in the ground, where I rot.

[Frisivisia]

Because there's a god.

Ah, circular arguments. You gotta love them. Oh, wait, you don't.

Yes there is a God and Jesus! Where do you think you go when you die?!

Into a wooden box in the ground, where I rot.

That's not very imaginative! C'mon, think of something better.

[Zottistan]

I met someone who believes that after you die, you restart your life and get a second chance at doing things better than you did last time. A nice thought, i suppose.

Provided you have enough coins to keep the game going. Or a saved checkpoint or savegame.

I have an invincibility hack.

[Samuraikoku]

I have an invincibility hack.

Cheater. Where did the old coin-op arcade times go?

[Veladio]

I like it when I win. Should I not?

Winning? That's what you're worried about? Not intellectual debate on a subject that is miles above your head?... Pfft.jpg Atheists being real cool bros about religion and stuff. Never fail to disgust me... But! That's ok, I'll actually pray for you.

Sincerely,
Ray

Why is it that whenever Christians say, "Ill pray for you" in a debate, it always comes across as "Fuck Off, Im right" ?

[Zottistan]

Ah, circular arguments. You gotta love them. Oh, wait, you don't.


Into a wooden box in the ground, where I rot.

That's not very imaginative! C'mon, think of something better.

Into a mahogany box in the ground, where I decompose.

[North Suran]

That's nice, but not a response to anything I said. I didn't say religion commits heinous crimes. I said people following their religious faith commit heinous crimes.

And likewise, people following their non-religious beliefs commit heinous crimes. So why is religion any different?

Religion is bad, alright? It puts a wrench in the machinery of progress and serves as a purpose for war and violence and strife. However, no one sensible wishes to kill all religious people or ban religion, as to do so would also be banned. I myself, however, am against the idea of religion and oppose religion vehemently. Again, no violence, no banning, no revolution, just gradual evolution of thought.

Religion is not inherently regressive. During the Middle Ages, the centre of learning and scientific advancement in Europe was the Catholic Church. The first modern universities were Christian institutions. Some of the most famous scientists - including Charles Dawkins - were religious. Gregor Mendel, widely regarded as the father of modern genetics, was a priest. It is only in the last century that science has become secularised. Science and religion are not mutually incompatible. Nor is the latter merely a purpose for violence.

[Farnhamia]

Winning? That's what you're worried about? Not intellectual debate on a subject that is miles above your head?... Pfft.jpg Atheists being real cool bros about religion and stuff. Never fail to disgust me... But! That's ok, I'll actually pray for you.

Sincerely,
Ray

Why is it that whenever Christians say, "Ill pray for you" in a debate, it always comes across as "Fuck Off, Im right" ?

I always read it as condescension: "Yes, little atheist, whatevs. I'll pray for you." We're their cross to bear, you know.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Ah, circular arguments. You gotta love them. Oh, wait, you don't.


Into a wooden box in the ground, where I rot.

That's not very imaginative! C'mon, think of something better.

My soul journeys to the centre of the Crab Nebula where, inside a black hole, my soul merges with that of beautiful 200-metre-high Valkyries in an explosion of passion so intense that new stars are created.

Imaginative enough for you?

[Ebrithil]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/atheism/1.png

[Farnhamia]

That's not very imaginative! C'mon, think of something better.

My soul journeys to the centre of the Crab Nebula where, inside a black hole, my soul merges with that of beautiful 200-metre-high Valkyries in an explosion of passion so intense that new stars are created.

Imaginative enough for you?

Are the girls still doing that Crab Nebula thing?

[Mavorpen]

That's nice, but not a response to anything I said. I didn't say religion commits heinous crimes. I said people following their religious faith commit heinous crimes.

And likewise, people following their non-religious beliefs commit heinous crimes. So why is religion any different?

It isn't. That is my point. Thank you for explaining why I am right.

[North Suran]

this is false. There's this thing called burden of proof which basically means that the person attempting to claim something exists has to prove it. It's why we don't go around assuming that there is a magical invisible unicorn with wish granting powers around each corner. You can't prove it's not there but you're also not going to believe

Except your not saying that my concept of a deity doesn't exist. Or that any single given deity exists. You are rejecting the existence - and the potential existence - of any deity or deities. And that is an independent belief. If I say "God exists", and you say "No", then you are simply contradicting me; if I say "I believe that there are deities", and you say "I believe that the concept of deities is wrong and unscientific", then that is an independent belief. Atheism is an independent belief. It is not simply a counter-point to Christianity.

we know quite a bit including some extraneous information we wouldn't if we knew "barely anything".

We know the number of stars in one galaxy. In the context of the universe, that's the knowledge of one drop in an ocean.

[Ebrithil]

And likewise, people following their non-religious beliefs commit heinous crimes. So why is religion any different?

It isn't. That is my point. Thank you for explaining why I am right.

You guys should read this. It may help you understand what each of you are talking about. Also It'll give me time to eat that nice steaming bowl of eff you someone gave me earlier. http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/atheism/1.png
I'd post it as an image, but it's too big.

[Samuraikoku]

That's not very imaginative! C'mon, think of something better.

I get stuffed into a Dreadnought and I continue to serve.

[Mavorpen]

this is false. There's this thing called burden of proof which basically means that the person attempting to claim something exists has to prove it. It's why we don't go around assuming that there is a magical invisible unicorn with wish granting powers around each corner. You can't prove it's not there but you're also not going to believe

Except your not saying that my concept of a deity doesn't exist. Or that any single given deity exists. You are rejecting the existence - and the potential existence - of any deity or deities. And that is an independent belief. If I say "God exists", and you say "No", then you are simply contradicting me; if I say "I believe that there are deities", and you say "I believe that the concept of deities is wrong and unscientific", then that is an independent belief. Atheism is an independent belief. It is not simply a counter-point to Christianity.

For the love of...

Atheism means without God. In other words, lack of belief. It is not inherently a belief.

[North Suran]

It isn't. That is my point. Thank you for explaining why I am right.

Well, no. You actually argued the complete opposite point: that religious people who commit crimes do so because they are religious, whereas non-religious people who commit crimes do not do so because they are non-religious. That was at least my reading.

[Mavorpen]

It isn't. That is my point. Thank you for explaining why I am right.

You guys should read this. It may help you understand what each of you are talking about. Also It'll give me time to eat that nice steaming bowl of eff you someone gave me earlier. http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/atheism/1.png
I'd post it as an image, but it's too big.

No.