Is There a God?

[Demphor]

Have more faith in you (its ok to still believe).

Are you kidding, I have to drag my Scout troop kicking and screaming through the woods.
Having faith in myself is pretty much mandatory if I'm gonna survive without breaking down.

[Mavorpen]

And all of those are as worthless as religious ones because they lack evidence.

I am sure they do have evidence, you chose just to ignore them, or approach them with the a priori opinion that they are all rubbish.

Saying they have evidence=/=there being evidence.

[Nouvelle-Albion]

I am sure they do have evidence, you chose just to ignore them, or approach them with the a priori opinion that they are all rubbish.

They don't. There is one that I believe makes some sense hypothetically, however it does lack evidence for it's 2 central premises in reality.

I have never seen them, so I cannot judge, however, there is a tendency for people to approach any argument with an a priori opinion, and, in considering the 'evidence' rather than judge it objectively, let their a priori opinions influance their consideration.

[Tyconna]

Hell yeah there's a God!

[Nouvelle-Albion]

So, the question still stands, where does Atheism starts and theism ends.

I already answered. On your example scale, 0.

That only applies if you stick rigidly to the scale though, but since your scale is extremely ill defined...

Yet, your definition of belief and disbelief is also ill defined. I say that there are degrees of belief and disbelief- or rather, varying degrees of belief in the plausibiity of a statement- is based upon one's certainty of a proposition.

[Lilliburlero (Ancient)]

Hell yeah there's a God!

No, there are Gods.

[Mavorpen]

I already answered. On your example scale, 0.

That only applies if you stick rigidly to the scale though, but since your scale is extremely ill defined...

Yet, your definition of belief and disbelief is also ill defined. I say that there are degrees of belief and disbelief- or rather, varying degrees of belief in the plausibiity of a statement- is based upon one's certainty of a proposition.

Considering knowledge and belief are two different things, no.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Have more faith in you (its ok to still believe).

Are you kidding, I have to drag my Scout troop kicking and screaming through the woods.
Having faith in myself is pretty much mandatory if I'm gonna survive without breaking down.

Hence why I said more.

[Person012345]

They don't. There is one that I believe makes some sense hypothetically, however it does lack evidence for it's 2 central premises in reality.

I have never seen them, so I cannot judge, however, there is a tendency for people to approach any argument with an a priori opinion, and, in considering the 'evidence' rather than judge it objectively, let their a priori opinions influance their consideration.

Well, the one I refer to is one of reincarnation. Briefly, if the universe is infinite, then one should re-occur again.

Of course, this is the simplistic way that many people argue it and doing so is flawed. The fact is it relies on 2 unproven premises:
Time is infinite.
The structure of our brains is what makes us us.

Essentially, it's valid in that if it is true that the specific atomic configuration of your brain is what makes you you from a consciousness standpoint and time is infinite then your configuration will occur again and thus you will occur again. Of course, we don't know that time will be infinite and we don't know quite what makes our consciousness "us". In fact, it's pretty hard to even know specifically what our consciousness is at all. So it's not known whether it's possible for our consciousness to occur again. And if it does, is that really "us"? What is the nature of consciousness in the first place?

I mean, it's plausible, but the two main premises are completely undemonstrated.

[Nouvelle-Albion]

Yet, your definition of belief and disbelief is also ill defined. I say that there are degrees of belief and disbelief- or rather, varying degrees of belief in the plausibiity of a statement- is based upon one's certainty of a proposition.

Considering knowledge and belief are two different things, no.

I believe in something in so far as I know the certainty of that something. So, no.

[Person012345]

I already answered. On your example scale, 0.

That only applies if you stick rigidly to the scale though, but since your scale is extremely ill defined...

Yet, your definition of belief and disbelief is also ill defined. I say that there are degrees of belief and disbelief- or rather, varying degrees of belief in the plausibiity of a statement- is based upon one's certainty of a proposition.

There is belief in the plausibility of a statement. That's separate from belief in the statement.

[Person012345]

Considering knowledge and belief are two different things, no.

I believe in something in so far as I know the certainty of that something. So, no.

No. You either believe it or you don't. You're confusing belief in the plausibility of the statement and belief in the statement.

If someone asks you "do you believe X", "I don't know" does not mean the same thing as "is X true" "I don't know".

[The New World Oceania]

Hell yeah there's a God!

No, there are Gods.

The word "God" is truly only capitalized out of a) that being the name, and b) out of reverence. God/Gods is capitalized only in Abrahamic religions, but only in the case that the god being named is actually worshiped. In the case of the Greeks, "god" was not capitalized as it was a status, rather than a position or name, and because they were a Pagan religion, not an Abrahamic one (though some Abrahamic churches undoubtedly have roots in Paganism). In something like Christianity, however, "Gods" is capitalized when referring to the three that make up the Godhead, partially in reverence (this name-capitalizing reverence appearing in Abrahamic churches), and partially in that being the title which they are addressed. "God" is also capitalized in Abrahamic religions, for the same reason. The word "god" in the sense of either one subjected to apotheosis or a god who is not praised, but exists (see 1 Corinthians; 8:5), remains without capitalization, for the very fact that they do not meet the reasons given to others in reverence or name.

Either that, or some Jews got pissed with the Pagans, so they had to step up the reverence factor a notch. The point is that "god/God/gods/Gods" is only capitalized in the Abrahamic sense of the word.

[Mavorpen]

Considering knowledge and belief are two different things, no.

I believe in something in so far as I know the certainty of that something. So, no.

So you believe, which makes you a theist. If you don't, you are an atheist. If you know, you are an gnostic. If you don't, you are agnostic. Thank you for proving me right.

[Transhuman Proteus]

And all of those are as worthless as religious ones because they lack evidence.

I am sure they do have evidence, you chose just to ignore them, or approach them with the a priori opinion that they are all rubbish.

I suggest you provide some of this evidence if it exists.

You can find threads in this forum claiming to contain such "evidence", and you'll see it is typically nothing of the sort. It is non-scientific, or the "the bible says the bible is true and since the bible is true the bible is true."

[Not a pipe]

The word "God" is truly only capitalized out of a) that being the name, and b) out of reverence. ...

No! I think it is because of grammar. They are another word than "god" (a related word, but nevertheless a differnet one).

[The New World Oceania]

I am sure they do have evidence, you chose just to ignore them, or approach them with the a priori opinion that they are all rubbish.

I suggest you provide some of this evidence if it exists.

You can find threads in this forum claiming to contain such "evidence", and you'll see it is typically nothing of the sort. It is non-scientific, or the "the bible says the bible is true and since the bible is true the bible is true."

I haven't even looked at this website, but it's the first thing that came up on a search: http://www.godandscience.org/
A quick sweep over it doesn't tel me that it's very well organized, and I'm not sure what the content is, but maybe it'll give you something to blow your weekend off on.

[Leepaidamba]

Hell yeah there's a God!

No, there are Gods.

I, think you messed that sentence up a bit. No comes after are.

[Mavorpen]

I suggest you provide some of this evidence if it exists.

You can find threads in this forum claiming to contain such "evidence", and you'll see it is typically nothing of the sort. It is non-scientific, or the "the bible says the bible is true and since the bible is true the bible is true."

I haven't even looked at this website, but it's the first thing that came up on a search: http://www.godandscience.org/
A quick sweep over it doesn't tel me that it's very well organized, and I'm not sure what the content is, but maybe it'll give you something to blow your weekend off on.

That's...really sad. To even propose that we should take godandscience.org seriously is insulting.

[Lilliburlero (Ancient)]

No, there are Gods.

The word "God" is truly only capitalized out of a) that being the name, and b) out of reverence. God/Gods is capitalized only in Abrahamic religions, but only in the case that the god being named is actually worshiped. In the case of the Greeks, "god" was not capitalized as it was a status, rather than a position or name, and because they were a Pagan religion, not an Abrahamic one (though some Abrahamic churches undoubtedly have roots in Paganism). In something like Christianity, however, "Gods" is capitalized when referring to the three that make up the Godhead, partially in reverence (this name-capitalizing reverence appearing in Abrahamic churches), and partially in that being the title which they are addressed. "God" is also capitalized in Abrahamic religions, for the same reason. The word "god" in the sense of either one subjected to apotheosis or a god who is not praised, but exists (see 1 Corinthians; 8:5), remains without capitalization, for the very fact that they do not meet the reasons given to others in reverence or name.

Either that, or some Jews got pissed with the Pagans, so they had to step up the reverence factor a notch. The point is that "god/God/gods/Gods" is only capitalized in the Abrahamic sense of the word.

The Word 'God', even in the plural, is a Noun and therefore must be capitalised.

[Lilliburlero (Ancient)]

No, there are Gods.

I, think you messed that sentence up a bit. No comes after are.

I mean what I say, there are Gods.

[Norfsex]

God is everything- we are all just manisfestation of the One God.

[The New World Oceania]

The word "God" is truly only capitalized out of a) that being the name, and b) out of reverence. God/Gods is capitalized only in Abrahamic religions, but only in the case that the god being named is actually worshiped. In the case of the Greeks, "god" was not capitalized as it was a status, rather than a position or name, and because they were a Pagan religion, not an Abrahamic one (though some Abrahamic churches undoubtedly have roots in Paganism). In something like Christianity, however, "Gods" is capitalized when referring to the three that make up the Godhead, partially in reverence (this name-capitalizing reverence appearing in Abrahamic churches), and partially in that being the title which they are addressed. "God" is also capitalized in Abrahamic religions, for the same reason. The word "god" in the sense of either one subjected to apotheosis or a god who is not praised, but exists (see 1 Corinthians; 8:5), remains without capitalization, for the very fact that they do not meet the reasons given to others in reverence or name.

Either that, or some Jews got pissed with the Pagans, so they had to step up the reverence factor a notch. The point is that "god/God/gods/Gods" is only capitalized in the Abrahamic sense of the word.

The Word 'God', even in the plural, is a Noun and therefore must be capitalised.

Right. So every Noun must be capitalized, because Nouns are superior to every other Type of Word. I am a Human and a Theist. These Nouns are capitalized, are They not?

[Leepaidamba]

I, think you messed that sentence up a bit. No comes after are.

I mean what I say, there are Gods.

Well then I'd like like to know why you believe that.

[Not a pipe]

God is everything- we are all just manisfestation of the One God.

Yes, we are all part of universe and universe is just made of God, and God is also made of God.