Is There a God?

[The Nuclear Fist]

He's really not a very good planner then. At least not the way he's written in that book.

From what I've been told, all the suffering is worth it because we'll have eternal peace and happiness in a place much better than Earth. What I don't get is: Why the fuck make the Earth if it's going to a)be destroyed eventually anyway and b)just going to become a place where people suffer?

Because fuck you, that's why. God doesn't get to be questioned, even when s/he does something grievously illogical and pointlessly cruel.

[Jewcrew]

Yes.

Can we go home, now?

Screw it, I'm going home.

*slam!*

[Mavorpen]

From what I've been told, all the suffering is worth it because we'll have eternal peace and happiness in a place much better than Earth. What I don't get is: Why the fuck make the Earth if it's going to a)be destroyed eventually anyway and b)just going to become a place where people suffer?

Because fuck you, that's why. God doesn't get to be questioned, even when s/he does something grievously illogical and pointlessly cruel.

[Luna Amore]

He's really not a very good planner then. At least not the way he's written in that book.

From what I've been told, all the suffering is worth it because we'll have eternal peace and happiness in a place much better than Earth. What I don't get is: Why the fuck make the Earth if it's going to a)be destroyed eventually anyway and b)just going to become a place where people suffer?

Not only that, but if he wanted us to suffer, couldn't we just skip the garden business? Unnecessary cruelty.

[Mavorpen]

Not only that, but if he wanted us to suffer, couldn't we just skip the garden business? Unnecessary cruelty.

"Here you go guys! You have the choice to eat the fruit or not!"

*Later*

Random Angel: LULZ, THEY BELIEVED YOU!?

God: IKR! Like they have a choice!

[Socialdemokraterne]

Is there a God? Are deities real? I honestly don't know, but I choose to believe it because doing so provides me hope and peace of mind.

[Threlizdun]

From what I've been told, all the suffering is worth it because we'll have eternal peace and happiness in a place much better than Earth. What I don't get is: Why the fuck make the Earth if it's going to a)be destroyed eventually anyway and b)just going to become a place where people suffer?

Not only that, but if he wanted us to suffer, couldn't we just skip the garden business? Unnecessary cruelty.

Even if everything theists claimed to be true, even the contradicting parts, was somehow proven, there is one question I cannot possibly see a rational answer for. How could such a monstrous being possibly be worthy of being called a god?

[Transhuman Proteus]

Then you are demonstrably wrong. Via birth defects.

Yes, I believe everyone deserves a chance to live, even with birth defects. Who knows that crippled or mentally challenged child could make the world a better place, but that is not happening if you kill him.

Y'all say that abortions could stop the next Hitler, but you could also be killing the one who would have defeated the next Hitler.
You could be killing someone who would have found a cure to cancer.

I think - "we all have the opportunity to accept him" is incorrect in light of birth defects. Or other conditions that effect the mind. How does one accept him if one is mentally a child or doesn't connect or understand the world, let alone the concept of god? Or has a condition that alters there sense of reality, hence making it impossible to act in a Christian way?

Does god have a hand in birth defects and mental conditions?

And what about all the population of the world that existed prior to Christianity or in lands Christianity didn't touched till relatively recently? There are still tribes out there that have no concept of Christianity because they've never had the misfortune of having missionaries and conquistadors (of any faith) mess them up.

So no, not everyone has the opportunity to accept him.

He's really not a very good planner then. At least not the way he's written in that book.

From what I've been told, all the suffering is worth it because we'll have eternal peace and happiness in a place much better than Earth. What I don't get is: Why the fuck make the Earth if it's going to a)be destroyed eventually anyway and b)just going to become a place where people suffer?

I always wondered about the scope of the universe for the human centric Christian who believes in the Rapture and God mandated demolishing of the Earth - why did God make it? For them 99.999999999999% of existence is essentially superfluous. We can't even see most of it, so it isn't simply to make the night look pretty and it doesn't serve any purpose since we're never going to get to it because God's going to come smack us up any day now. If we hadn't gone against most religious views we wouldn't even know it existed.

Never mind we know if God doesn't come smack us up in next 1.4 billion years the world will become naturally uninhabitable anyway thanks to the natural life cycle of our star.

God - least efficient builder ever.

[North California]

Is there a God?

Probably.

Sure, I was baptized Catholic, but in all honesty, I don't care too much. I hardly think about religion anyways, except at school (it's a Catholic school) where I am tested on it.

I guess you could call me a non-practicing Catholic-agnostic.

[Mavorpen]

Never mind we know if God doesn't come smack us up in next 1.4 billion years the world will become naturally uninhabitable anyway thanks to the natural life cycle of our star.

God - least efficient builder ever.

1.4 billion? I'm pretty sure we have 4 billion.

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

Is there a God?

Probably.

Proof?

[Jewcrew]

Never mind we know if God doesn't come smack us up in next 1.4 billion years the world will become naturally uninhabitable anyway thanks to the natural life cycle of our star.

God - least efficient builder ever.

1.4 billion? I'm pretty sure we have 4 billion.

We've gone from cave paintings to satellites in 10,000 years, I don't get why he thinks billions of years is an issue.

[North California]

Is there a God?

Probably.

Proof?

There's a chance. I mean, who knows? Maybe there's some other-worldly force outside of our universe governing things. Although, he/she/it probably isn't anything like the way Earthly religions depict God.

I'd like to think there is. It's more comforting than thinking I'm going to rot in the ground. At least this way, I can at least hope a part of me lives on. Oh well, I guess I won't find out for sure until I die.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Never mind we know if God doesn't come smack us up in next 1.4 billion years the world will become naturally uninhabitable anyway thanks to the natural life cycle of our star.

God - least efficient builder ever.

1.4 billion? I'm pretty sure we have 4 billion.

I believe current theory on the matter is that with the rate the sun's luminosity is gradually increasing (and by extension the rate it's temperature is rising) - about 10% every billion years - in 1.4 billion years or so time Earth will have become to hot for liquids to exist and for life to exist on the surface (possibly below the surface as well), since the atmosphere will have been boiled away.

So all before the increase in size that will eventually consume the earth and other event at the 4 billion + mark.

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

Proof?

There's a chance. I mean, who knows? Maybe there's some other-worldly force outside of our universe governing things. Although, he/she/it probably isn't anything like the way Earthly religions depict God.

I'd like to think there is. It's more comforting than thinking I'm going to rot in the ground. At least this way, I can at least hope a part of me lives on. Oh well, I guess I won't find out for sure until I die.

You stated that in all probability there was a god. Proof that there is probably a god is what I asked for.

I also think it's less comforting, and there being a god or not doesn't really have anything to do with a afterlife, but okay.

[Jewcrew]

There's a chance. I mean, who knows? Maybe there's some other-worldly force outside of our universe governing things. Although, he/she/it probably isn't anything like the way Earthly religions depict God.

I'd like to think there is. It's more comforting than thinking I'm going to rot in the ground. At least this way, I can at least hope a part of me lives on. Oh well, I guess I won't find out for sure until I die.

You stated that in all probability there was a god. Proof that there is probably a god is what I asked for.

I also think it's less comforting, and there being a god or not doesn't really have anything to do with a afterlife, but okay.

Technically true, as there is a theory that our consciousness is stored in quantum particles rather than cells, and after death this quantum 'soul' floats away, or enters another body.

[North California]

There's a chance. I mean, who knows? Maybe there's some other-worldly force outside of our universe governing things. Although, he/she/it probably isn't anything like the way Earthly religions depict God.

I'd like to think there is. It's more comforting than thinking I'm going to rot in the ground. At least this way, I can at least hope a part of me lives on. Oh well, I guess I won't find out for sure until I die.

You stated that in all probability there was a god. Proof that there is probably a god is what I asked for.

I also think it's less comforting, and there being a god or not doesn't really have anything to do with a afterlife, but okay.

Yes, I'd like to think that there is more of a chance there is a God, and than there is that their isn't a God.

Like I said, it's all a chance. There's only one way to find out for sure, and I'm not in a hurry to find it. I'm going to enjoy life as best I can.

I hope there's a God and an afterlife. If not? Eh, whatever. My hopeful 80-90 years will be enough.

[Liriena]

Yes, there is a Supreme Entity that rules over the Universe.

Now, whether said entity is the Judeo-Christian YHWH, the Hindu Brahma or whatever, that's a mystery.

[Transhuman Proteus]

1.4 billion? I'm pretty sure we have 4 billion.

We've gone from cave paintings to satellites in 10,000 years, I don't get why he thinks billions of years is an issue.

I don't, I'm quite a techno-optimist, we already have ideas on what we can do (though we are far from practical implementation), I don't think billions of years are going to be an issue. I'm talking about a particular theistic mindset in regards to how the world and universe works and what's going to happen to it.

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

You stated that in all probability there was a god. Proof that there is probably a god is what I asked for.

I also think it's less comforting, and there being a god or not doesn't really have anything to do with a afterlife, but okay.

Yes, I'd like to think that there is more of a chance there is a God, and than there is that their isn't a God.

Like I said, it's all a chance. There's only one way to find out for sure, and I'm not in a hurry to find it. I'm going to enjoy life as best I can.

I hope there's a God and an afterlife. If not? Eh, whatever. My hopeful 80-90 years will be enough.

So what you like is probable? What makes you so special and a god over reality?

What is that only one way to find out? Or did you ignore the last half of my post? Proof that there is only one way?

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

Yes, there is a Supreme Entity that rules over the Universe.

Now, whether said entity is the Judeo-Christian YHWH, the Hindu Brahma or whatever, that's a mystery.

Okay, you made the claim. Support it

[Liriena]

Yes, there is a Supreme Entity that rules over the Universe.

Now, whether said entity is the Judeo-Christian YHWH, the Hindu Brahma or whatever, that's a mystery.

Okay, you made the claim. Support it

My source is truthiness.

[The Daktanese Technocracy]

Okay, you made the claim. Support it

My source is truthiness.

Truthiness...?

[Transhuman Proteus]

1.4 billion? I'm pretty sure we have 4 billion.

I believe current theory on the matter is that with the rate the sun's luminosity is gradually increasing (and by extension the rate it's temperature is rising) - about 10% every billion years - in 1.4 billion years or so time Earth will have become to hot for liquids to exist and for life to exist on the surface (possibly below the surface as well), since the atmosphere will have been boiled away.

So all before the increase in size that will eventually consume the earth and other event at the 4 billion + mark.

A timeline better showing the theorized near to distant future based on current understandings or how it works:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

[Jewcrew]

We've gone from cave paintings to satellites in 10,000 years, I don't get why he thinks billions of years is an issue.

I don't, I'm quite a techno-optimist, we already have ideas on what we can do (though we are far from practical implementation), I don't think billions of years are going to be an issue. I'm talking about a particular theistic mindset in regards to how the world and universe works and what's going to happen to it.

Sooooo... you think you can understand how a 'being' (for lack of a better word) that can create an entire universe and drive evolution to gain a specific outcome and exists outside of our understanding of time while maintaining free will... thinks?