Is There a God?

[Caecuser]

Yeah, so no one can complain I didn't cite my sources or something. Oh, and from a science website.

The top scientific theory regarding the beginning of the universe is the Big Bang, a term first used by Fred Hoyle in 1950. In this theory, the universe began 13.7 billion years ago. It started as a single point, smaller than an atomic nucleus, with an infinitely high temperature and an infinite density.

a single point...

That is a common misconception. The Theory does not actually state this.

[Sunkistodia]

Note: Please do not argue with each other, we are all entitled to believe in what we want to believe in

So much for that.

[Salamanstrom]

fine, but what does that have to do with anything. The big bang theory is still going with a known fact of the universe

[ShadowyStealer]

Maybe, probably not. At least completely not as any 'human' definitions as we understand it.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

fine, but what does that have to do with anything. The big bang theory is still going with a known fact of the universe

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[Caecuser]

fine, but what does that have to do with anything. The big bang theory is still going with a known fact of the universe

I beg your pardon?

[Salamanstrom]

sorry. Im so slow at typing. A few messages ago someone commented on how the big bang not coming from a single point

[Caecuser]

sorry. Im so slow at typing. A few messages ago someone commented on how the big bang not coming from a single point

Yeah, it didn't. It is a misconception that a lot of people have with the theory.

[Priory Academy USSR]

sorry. Im so slow at typing. A few messages ago someone commented on how the big bang not coming from a single point

Yeah, it didn't. It is a misconception that a lot of people have with the theory.

So, may I ask, where did it come from?

[Salamanstrom]

thats not the point, the point is it still breaks several universal laws

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Yeah, it didn't. It is a misconception that a lot of people have with the theory.

So, may I ask, where did it come from?

The point is that it's difficult to define where it came from, as according to the current model, space didn't exist before the Big Bang and consequently neither did points in space.

thats not the point, the point is it still breaks several universal laws

It came before the laws. The laws of physics came after the Big Bang moment (t=0) itself.

[Sociobiology]

There are many problems with this theory. And the theory itself still does not answer many important questions - Such as where did all the matter in the universe come from?

If all the matter in the universe was compressed into a small dot, what caused this to happen? Where did gravity come from that held it together?

If this "dot" spun rapidly until it exploded., then where did the energy come from to start the spinning?

Also, in an environment without friction you would have this spinning dot going so fast it would then explode. If this happened, then all of the particles and matter being expelled from this "spinning dot" would all have to spin in the same direction as the dot they exploded from.

This is a known law of science, which those who believe in Evolution cannot do away with. It is known as the Conservation of angular momentum.


This matter which is said to have created the planets would all need to spin in the same direction as the object it came from.



So therefore, all of the planets should be spinning in the same direction.

However two of them are not. Venus and Uranus spin backwards.



Some planets even have moons that not only spin backwards, but travel backward around their planets.



The Big Bang theory also ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says:
"matter cannot be created or destroyed"

Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which says:
"Everything tends towards disorder"

So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic...

Paul was aware of this when he wrote his letter to the Hebrews:
Everything ".. waxes old like a garment" (quoted in both Psalm 102:25-27, and also Hebrews 1:10-12).

"This verse "anticipates the famous second law of thermodynamics, or law of entropy, indicating that everything in the physical universe is growing old and wearing out. God created everything in the beginning, winding it up like a great clock, so to speak. Because of sin and the curse, however, it has been running down and "perishing" ever since. Jesus also said: "Heaven and earth shall pass away" (literally, "are passing away") (Matthew 24:35)" - Waxing Old, like a Garment by Henry Morris, Ph.D.


Things wear down. Nothing gets better by itself.

If I told you that thousands of pieces of timber were set in motion by a tornado in a lumberyard and this ultimately resulted in the amazing design and complexity of the house you live in, you would think this was absurd to say the very least.



Yet in essence this is what the Big Bang theory teaches.

Now I know that anyone with kids might say that a tornado ripped through their room - but the tornado did not create their room. It only created the mess that is throughout the room. Will the mess ever get cleaned up? Yes, but it will not cleaned up by itself.

Even if millions of years of tornados did somehow randomly land in a complex pattern thus assembling your room, this would still not explain where the trees came from that were made into the lumber.

It would not explain who planted, or cut the trees, or even how the trees grew.

You see, such theories do not give an absolute answer of truth. They only serve to cause people to become distracted and lose sight of the larger picture of the Creator and who God is. Satan is a master of deception and distraction. He wants you to lose sight of Christ, and focus on impossible things.

look back one thread your entire post is a copy of a post one page back that was trounced the very same page.

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[Priory Academy USSR]

So, may I ask, where did it come from?

The point is that it's difficult to define where it came from, as according to the current model, space didn't exist before the Big Bang and consequently neither did points in space.

Right. That's how I understand it. I suppose there's just no word to decribe the pre-universal nothingness.

[Caecuser]

thats not the point, the point is it still breaks several universal laws

You mean something coming from nothing? Despite the fact that we have seen electrons, positrons or photons appearing effectively from nowhere?

[Salamanstrom]

no, like angular momentum. If the big bang (what? point, blob, cloud) thing was spinning when it exploded, than everything should be spinning in the same direction, which they are not. Plus, matter should be evenly distributed throughout the universe, which it is not.

[Priory Academy USSR]

no, like angular momentum. If the big bang (what? point, blob, cloud) thing was spinning when it exploded, than everything should be spinning in the same direction, which they are not. Plus, matter should be evenly distributed throughout the universe, which it is not.

No, because gravity pulls them together. Watch a nebula for a few million years.

[Caecuser]

no, like angular momentum. If the big bang (what? point, blob, cloud) thing was spinning when it exploded, than everything should be spinning in the same direction, which they are not. Plus, matter should be evenly distributed throughout the universe, which it is not.

I think that I should point out at this time that the Big Bang does not concern itself with the actual origin of the universe, just the early development of it. And why should matter be evenly distributed?

[Great Nepal]

no, like angular momentum. If the big bang (what? point, blob, cloud) thing was spinning when it exploded, than everything should be spinning in the same direction, which they are not.

As far as my knowledge, it kinda wasn't spinning.

Plus, matter should be evenly distributed throughout the universe, which it is not.

No, because gravity (of larger mass objects) pulled matter together.

[Salamanstrom]

no, like angular momentum. If the big bang (what? point, blob, cloud) thing was spinning when it exploded, than everything should be spinning in the same direction, which they are not. Plus, matter should be evenly distributed throughout the universe, which it is not.

No, because gravity pulls them together. Watch a nebula for a few million years.

if this was true than all the planets would still be turning the same direction



oh, and to the other guy

according to the laws of psychics that matter should have been evenly distributed throughout space as their is not yet any resistance to slow it down.

[Caecuser]

No, because gravity pulls them together. Watch a nebula for a few million years.

if this was true than all the planets would still be turning the same direction



oh, and to the other guy

according to the laws of psychics that matter should have been evenly distributed throughout space as their is not yet any resistance to slow it down.

What about gravity?

[Great Nepal]

No, because gravity pulls them together. Watch a nebula for a few million years.

if this was true than all the planets would still be turning the same direction

Why?

according to the laws of psychics that matter should have been evenly distributed throughout space as their is not yet any resistance to slow it down.

There is. It is freaking gravity.

[Salamanstrom]

yeah, if everything was spinning the same speed, why would gravity reverse some of them but not all

[Caecuser]

yeah, if everything was spinning the same speed, why would gravity reverse some of them but not all

Why do you think everything is spinning???

[Great Nepal]

yeah, if everything was spinning the same speed, why would gravity reverse some of them but not all

You still haven't explained why everything was spinning at same speed.

[Sociobiology]

No, because gravity pulls them together. Watch a nebula for a few million years.

if this was true than all the planets would still be turning the same direction

they ARE all turning in the same direction.
some spin in the wrong direction which can be done with one rouge asteroid.

according to the laws of psychics that matter should have been evenly distributed throughout space as their is not yet any resistance to slow it down.

no because even distribution is inherently unstable in a universe with gravity, and inherently unlikely in a universe that obeys probability.
random =/= even.