Is There a God?

[Kleomentia]

but really, i think too Vortropolis you're wasting your breath. (or may need to change impostation)

You'r right....[/quote]
Sadly, your saying this in a "Ah, when will you people ever learn that im right" way.

Emotions are belief in some point. Because some emotions at some times are based on actual facts and reason.

I'm talking about the type of emotions that most of us feel at any normal moment.

Oh, ok.

[Vortropolis]

but really, i think too Vortropolis you're wasting your breath. (or may need to change impostation)

You'r right....

Sadly, your saying this in a "Ah, when will you people ever learn that im right" way.

Emotions are belief in some point. Because some emotions at some times are based on actual facts and reason.

I'm talking about the type of emotions that most of us feel at any normal moment.

Oh, ok.[/quote]

No i'm saying it in a, i give up, if that makes any sense.

[Xathranaar]

You know, I'm glad that this is true for you. I really am.

But I don't think that is the case for a vast number, perhaps the majority, of believers, and so I don't think that it is right to categorically define religious faith this way.

The number of people who would disagree with me is not a concern.

Well I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I think you are in danger or running afoul of the no true Scotsman fallacy if that is the position you take.

I mean, either "religious faith" can mean more than that, or else you are saying that people who believe it means something else are not actually religious. And that seems a bit disingenuous.

[Frisivisia]

You'r right....

Sadly, your saying this in a "Ah, when will you people ever learn that im right" way.

I'm talking about the type of emotions that most of us feel at any normal moment.

Oh, ok.

No i'm saying it in a, i give up, if that makes any sense.[/quote]
You concede that we are right, you are wrong, and that Richard Dawkins is the last and greatest prophet? Good.

[Kleomentia]

You'r right....

Sadly, your saying this in a "Ah, when will you people ever learn that im right" way.

I'm talking about the type of emotions that most of us feel at any normal moment.

Oh, ok.

No i'm saying it in a, i give up, if that makes any sense.[/quote]
Which is different from my statement how? Doesnt matter, no point in doing this.

[Kleomentia]

Sadly, your saying this in a "Ah, when will you people ever learn that im right" way.

Oh, ok.

No i'm saying it in a, i give up, if that makes any sense.

You concede that we are right, you are wrong, and that Richard Dawkins is the last and greatest prophet? Good.[/quote]
Oh you.

[Vortropolis]

The number of people who would disagree with me is not a concern.

Well I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I think you are in danger or running afoul of the no true Scotsman fallacy if that is the position you take.

I mean, either "religious faith" can mean more than that, or else you are saying that people who believe it means something else are not actually religious. And that seems a bit disingenuous.

No i was saying that i'm done arguing.

[Xathranaar]

Sadly, your saying this in a "Ah, when will you people ever learn that im right" way.

Oh, ok.

No i'm saying it in a, i give up, if that makes any sense.

You concede that we are right, you are wrong, and that Richard Dawkins is the last and greatest prophet? Good.[/quote]
Heresy! Hitchens was the one true Athe!

[Typhlochactas]

The number of people who would disagree with me is not a concern.

Well I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I think you are in danger or running afoul of the no true Scotsman fallacy if that is the position you take.

I mean, either "religious faith" can mean more than that, or else you are saying that people who believe it means something else are not actually religious. And that seems a bit disingenuous.

The religious faith I am talking about is the type of faith that says, ''I can't prove that god exists, but I will continue to believe him because I feel that he exists''. I am trying to separate belief statements from faith statements. A belief is something that you believe to be true because of logical reasons. Faith is also something you believe to be true, but it fails to hold itself to any logical standards. That is why it is not a belief. It is a hope.

[Xathranaar]

Well I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I think you are in danger or running afoul of the no true Scotsman fallacy if that is the position you take.

I mean, either "religious faith" can mean more than that, or else you are saying that people who believe it means something else are not actually religious. And that seems a bit disingenuous.

No i was saying that i'm done arguing.

...

I wasn't talking to you.

[Vortropolis]

No i was saying that i'm done arguing.

...

I wasn't talking to you.

Sorry quoted you on accident.

[Kleomentia]

Well I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I think you are in danger or running afoul of the no true Scotsman fallacy if that is the position you take.

I mean, either "religious faith" can mean more than that, or else you are saying that people who believe it means something else are not actually religious. And that seems a bit disingenuous.

The religious faith I am talking about is the type of faith that says, ''I can't prove that god exists, but I will continue to believe him because I feel that he exists''. I am trying to separate belief statements from faith statements. A belief is something that you believe to be true because of logical reasons. Faith is also something you believe to be true, but it fails to hold itself to any logical standards. That is why it is not a belief. It is a hope.

True.

[Kantas]

there is a god he is the only god there is

[Xathranaar]

Well I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I think you are in danger or running afoul of the no true Scotsman fallacy if that is the position you take.

I mean, either "religious faith" can mean more than that, or else you are saying that people who believe it means something else are not actually religious. And that seems a bit disingenuous.

The religious faith I am talking about is the type of faith that says, ''I can't prove that god exists, but I will continue to believe him because I feel that he exists''. I am trying to separate belief statements from faith statements. A belief is something that you believe to be true because of logical reasons. Faith is also something you believe to be true, but it fails to hold itself to any logical standards. That is why it is not a belief. It is a hope.

...okay.

Then a lot of people seem to take their hope very seriously. To the point where they will kill over what they "hope" is true.

That, to me, seems a bit ridiculous. And it also seems like a distinction without a difference, seeing as how they function more or less exactly the same way.

[Kleomentia]

there is a god he is the only god there is

Here we go again. Im out.

[Tlaceceyaya]

there is a god he is the only god there is

Prove it.

[North America and the Great Lakes]

Yes He does exist. I am Christian Darwinist, meaning I believe in both sides of the argument.

I believe that God created the Universe and the Heavens not in seven days, but through the millions upon thousands upon billions upon trillions of years that we know theorize to be the history of Creation.

He created the tight ball of matter than became the Big Bang and spawned everything in the Universe and He guided the creation of our Earth and the human race as we know it.

I believe, in a nutshell, most of the Bible, but Genesis is a load of malarkey. In the words of Joe Biden of course.

I believe that God only guided through the creation of His religion and the establishment of it in the world in the early days, but ultimately gave us the ultimate gift of free will and decision making, to let us lead our own lives. While He has been silent for many years, He still speaks to us through our dreams and guides our lives with a nudge here and a decision there.

I believe in God, my God, the only God. Amen.

[Xathranaar]

there is a god he is the only god there is

Hail Yog-Sothoth!

[Typhlochactas]

The religious faith I am talking about is the type of faith that says, ''I can't prove that god exists, but I will continue to believe him because I feel that he exists''. I am trying to separate belief statements from faith statements. A belief is something that you believe to be true because of logical reasons. Faith is also something you believe to be true, but it fails to hold itself to any logical standards. That is why it is not a belief. It is a hope.

...okay.

Then a lot of people seem to take their hope very seriously. To the point where they will kill over what they "hope" is true.

That, to me, seems a bit ridiculous. And it also seems like a distinction without a difference, seeing as how they function more or less exactly the same way.

Yes. Many people take their hope very seriously. They could easily say that they believe in a given idea, but the methodology of belief and faith are very different.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Yes He does exist. I am Christian Darwinist, meaning I believe in both sides of the argument.

I believe that God created the Universe and the Heavens not in seven days, but through the millions upon thousands upon billions upon trillions of years that we know theorize to be the history of Creation.

He created the tight ball of matter than became the Big Bang and spawned everything in the Universe and He guided the creation of our Earth and the human race as we know it.

I believe, in a nutshell, most of the Bible, but Genesis is a load of malarkey. In the words of Joe Biden of course.

I believe that God only guided through the creation of His religion and the establishment of it in the world in the early days, but ultimately gave us the ultimate gift of free will and decision making, to let us lead our own lives. While He has been silent for many years, He still speaks to us through our dreams and guides our lives with a nudge here and a decision there.

I believe in God, my God, the only God. Amen.

Prove it.

[Typhlochactas]

there is a god he is the only god there is

Why do you think that?

[Vortropolis]

Yes He does exist. I am Christian Darwinist, meaning I believe in both sides of the argument.

I believe that God created the Universe and the Heavens not in seven days, but through the millions upon thousands upon billions upon trillions of years that we know theorize to be the history of Creation.

He created the tight ball of matter than became the Big Bang and spawned everything in the Universe and He guided the creation of our Earth and the human race as we know it.

I believe, in a nutshell, most of the Bible, but Genesis is a load of malarkey. In the words of Joe Biden of course.

I believe that God only guided through the creation of His religion and the establishment of it in the world in the early days, but ultimately gave us the ultimate gift of free will and decision making, to let us lead our own lives. While He has been silent for many years, He still speaks to us through our dreams and guides our lives with a nudge here and a decision there.


I believe in God, my God, the only God. Amen.

Please do not waste you'r time arguing with these guys.

[Kleomentia]

Yes He does exist. I am Christian Darwinist, meaning I believe in both sides of the argument.

I believe that God created the Universe and the Heavens not in seven days, but through the millions upon thousands upon billions upon trillions of years that we know theorize to be the history of Creation.

He created the tight ball of matter than became the Big Bang and spawned everything in the Universe and He guided the creation of our Earth and the human race as we know it.

I believe, in a nutshell, most of the Bible, but Genesis is a load of malarkey. In the words of Joe Biden of course.

I believe that God only guided through the creation of His religion and the establishment of it in the world in the early days, but ultimately gave us the ultimate gift of free will and decision making, to let us lead our own lives. While He has been silent for many years, He still speaks to us through our dreams and guides our lives with a nudge here and a decision there.


I believe in God, my God, the only God. Amen.

Please do not waste you'r time arguing with these guys.

Because you'r right and we are wrong? Let the man speak, perhaps he will have arguments.

[Vortropolis]

Please do not waste you'r time arguing with these guys.

Because you'r right and we are wrong? Let the man speak, perhaps he will have arguments.

Because the arguments will get nowhere, and I thought you said you were out?

[Kleomentia]

Because you'r right and we are wrong? Let the man speak, perhaps he will have arguments.

Because the arguments will get nowhere, and I thought you said you were out?

How does that make any sense whatsoever?
And i dropped by again, its a habit. But now im really out as i need to eat ^_^