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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:35 pm

Spice999 wrote:I believe in God because I find it impossible to imagine how such an amazing world could have come about without a creator. I have always believed in God and was raised as a Strict Baptist.


So you're ignorant of science, therefore God? :palm:
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Postby New Pebble Island » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:36 pm

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:39 pm

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:Well, I suppose to finally answer directly, yes, I believe there is a God. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I'm content believing.

Yes, you may be content, but you'd also be happy if I jabbed you in the arm with a needle filled with oxytocin, endorphins or some other chemical.
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Postby Seperates » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:40 pm

The Cummunist State wrote:
Spice999 wrote:I believe in God because I find it impossible to imagine how such an amazing world could have come about without a creator. I have always believed in God and was raised as a Strict Baptist.

Watchmaker arguments make me sad. :c

That's not even a Watchmaker argument. It's just a bad one.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:41 pm

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:Well, I suppose to finally answer directly, yes, I believe there is a God. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I'm content believing.


So are smokers and drinkers. Doesn't mean their actions aren't wrong.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Norstal » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:42 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:Well, I suppose to finally answer directly, yes, I believe there is a God. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I'm content believing.

Yes, you may be content, but you'd also be happy if I jabbed you in the arm with a needle filled with oxytocin, endorphins or some other chemical.

If it's with consent.

I don't really think believing in a god has any effects. Yes, theists tend to live longer, but those studies are usually just correlation. I mean, it's just like saying pagans die faster than Christians in ancient Rome. Geez, I wonder why.
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:42 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:Well, I suppose to finally answer directly, yes, I believe there is a God. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I'm content believing.


So are smokers and drinkers. Doesn't mean their actions aren't wrong.


I do those things too.
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Postby Ende » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:42 pm

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:Well, I suppose to finally answer directly, yes, I believe there is a God. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I'm content believing.

I'd go with this as an answer to the question.

Now let's get back to talking about the real purpose of this thread: French fries.

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Postby Seperates » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:43 pm

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Tlaceceyaya wrote:Yes, you may be content, but you'd also be happy if I jabbed you in the arm with a needle filled with oxytocin, endorphins or some other chemical.

If it's with consent.

I don't really think believing in a god has any effects. Yes, theists tend to live longer, but those studies are usually just correlation. I mean, it's just like saying pagans die faster than Christians in ancient Rome. Geez, I wonder why.

But we live longer than early Christians. :lol:
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Postby Norstal » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:43 pm

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Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:Well, I suppose to finally answer directly, yes, I believe there is a God. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I'm content believing.


So are smokers and drinkers. Doesn't mean their actions aren't wrong.

What makes them inherently wrong?
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:44 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:Well, I suppose to finally answer directly, yes, I believe there is a God. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I'm content believing.

Yes, you may be content, but you'd also be happy if I jabbed you in the arm with a needle filled with oxytocin, endorphins or some other chemical.


Actually I'm terrified of needles so the response would be more

"AAAAGH! AAAAGH! GET IT AWAY!"

And then savage flailing followed by girlish sobs.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:44 pm

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
So are smokers and drinkers. Doesn't mean their actions aren't wrong.


I do those things too.


That has nothing to do with my point.
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:44 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
I do those things too.


That has nothing to do with my point.


Yes, it does actually.

"Your point has little relevance in my point of view and is frankly rather silly."
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Postby Ende » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:45 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
I do those things too.


That has nothing to do with my point.

Yes it does. He's saying that your point has little relevance to his point of view and is rather a rather ridiculous point in the first place. Which it was, tbh.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:45 pm

Norstal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
So are smokers and drinkers. Doesn't mean their actions aren't wrong.

What makes them inherently wrong?


Nothing, because I didn't say that. My point is that being content doesn't automatically make something not wrong or not bad.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Seperates » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:47 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:Well, I suppose to finally answer directly, yes, I believe there is a God. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I'm content believing.


So are smokers and drinkers. Doesn't mean their actions aren't wrong.

"Wrong" in what context?

Note: I don't smoke or drink and never plan to.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:47 pm

Norstal wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
So are smokers and drinkers. Doesn't mean their actions aren't wrong.

What makes them inherently wrong?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Sigoynere » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:47 pm

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Postby Hallistar » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:48 pm

Norstal wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Yes, you may be content, but you'd also be happy if I jabbed you in the arm with a needle filled with oxytocin, endorphins or some other chemical.

If it's with consent.

I don't really think believing in a god has any effects. Yes, theists tend to live longer, but those studies are usually just correlation. I mean, it's just like saying pagans die faster than Christians in ancient Rome. Geez, I wonder why.


You could be a maltheist..you wouldn't live long much either. I think it has more to do with whether cynicism/pessimism or optimism dominate a person. I myself am not always optimistic, but I try not to let my pessimistic nature get a hold of me.

Regardless...it kinda reminded me of that one 18 year old from texas who was born with heart conditions and died during christmas who was on the news. The brain naturally produced dmt and releases it when the body has communicated to it that it is not capable of maintaining the brain, and the dmt (which is very hard to get in artificial form) causes intense hallucinations and/or a large feeling of serenity. He was religious and thought he saw heaven, but regardless...Im glad he died happy at least...even though believing in something won't necessarily mean it has to be true, atleast it might give some comfort to certain people I guess..

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Postby Norstal » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:48 pm

Seperates wrote:
Norstal wrote:If it's with consent.

I don't really think believing in a god has any effects. Yes, theists tend to live longer, but those studies are usually just correlation. I mean, it's just like saying pagans die faster than Christians in ancient Rome. Geez, I wonder why.

But we live longer than early Christians. :lol:

True, true. *nods*
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:49 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:
That has nothing to do with my point.

Yes it does. He's saying that your point has little relevance to his point of view and is rather a rather ridiculous point in the first place. Which it was, tbh.


It's ridiculous to state the fact that being content doesn't make something right? :palm:
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:50 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Ende wrote:Yes it does. He's saying that your point has little relevance to his point of view and is rather a rather ridiculous point in the first place. Which it was, tbh.


It's ridiculous to state the fact that being content doesn't make something not right? :palm:


No, but equating it to smoking which damages other people through second hand smoke and alcohol which God knows will end up doing something to my liver down the line when it's a personal faith I don't impress on other people is.

Of course, having two pints a day is good for your heart.
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Postby Hallistar » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:51 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Spice999 wrote:I believe in God because I find it impossible to imagine how such an amazing world could have come about without a creator. I have always believed in God and was raised as a Strict Baptist.


So you're ignorant of science, therefore God? :palm:


I think it has more to do with the whole being strictly raised Baptist stuff..you know..without the tolerant environment of seeking out the truth on one's own without bias..its sad that certain families in the US disown their children when their children claim they have a different belief or none at all.

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Postby Seperates » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:53 pm

Hallistar wrote:
Norstal wrote:If it's with consent.

I don't really think believing in a god has any effects. Yes, theists tend to live longer, but those studies are usually just correlation. I mean, it's just like saying pagans die faster than Christians in ancient Rome. Geez, I wonder why.


You could be a maltheist..you wouldn't live long much either. I think it has more to do with whether cynicism/pessimism or optimism dominate a person. I myself am not always optimistic, but I try not to let my pessimistic nature get a hold of me.

Regardless...it kinda reminded me of that one 18 year old from texas who was born with heart conditions and died during christmas who was on the news. The brain naturally produced dmt and releases it when the body has communicated to it that it is not capable of maintaining the brain, and the dmt (which is very hard to get in artificial form) causes intense hallucinations and/or a large feeling of serenity. He was religious and thought he saw heaven, but regardless...Im glad he died happy at least...even though believing in something won't necessarily mean it has to be true, atleast it might give some comfort to certain people I guess..

Cynical Optimism ftw! :p
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:55 pm

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
It's ridiculous to state the fact that being content doesn't make something not right? :palm:


No, but equating it to smoking which damages other people through second hand smoke and alcohol which God knows will end up doing something to my liver down the line when it's a personal faith I don't impress on other people is.

Of course, having two pints a day is good for your heart.


Unfortunately it doesn't matter if you impress your faith on other people or not. It can affect the world. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the argument "Billions believe, it must be true!" :p
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