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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:42 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
They're entitled to believe, but they cannot claim it exists.


They can claim He exists just like you claim He doesn't exist.

People can claim what they want. They just can't start making laws based around that.
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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:43 pm

Most atheists don't claim he doesn't exist. By the way.

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Postby 4years » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:43 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Yes, I am a Christian and I believe so. Plus there is so much evidence of it.


1.What evidence?
2. What sort of Christian?
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Postby Soviet New Romania » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:44 pm

I think there is no god.

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:44 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
They can claim He exists just like you claim He doesn't exist.

People can claim what they want. They just can't start making laws based around that.

Better wording would be "they can't claim he exists and expect anyone else to believe them".

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:44 pm

Person012345 wrote:Most atheists don't claim he doesn't exist. By the way.

I do. For the record, why would a god be a 'he'? Why would it have a gender at all, considering it wouldn't have a need for genitalia or a quantifiable personality?
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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:46 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Most atheists don't claim he doesn't exist. By the way.

I do. For the record, why would a god be a 'he'? Why would it have a gender at all, considering it wouldn't have a need for genitalia or a quantifiable personality?

Colloquial use because I'm not going to say "he/she/it/whatever" and most people regard their deities as a he, they can inform me if they would prefer a different term.

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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:47 pm

I am a Southern Baptist, so I obviously believe in God. Southern Baptists tend to be right- wing conservatives, but unlike many of them, I think Catholics and Orthodox are going to Heaven just like the Protestants.

God is not an entity whose existence you can prove nor disprove, you got to have faith. Once you acquire that faith, it is pretty hard to (though not impossible) to give up the faith in God and Jesus.
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Postby Soviet New Romania » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:47 pm

The Christian god must be a he. He is obviously a he because Christians say so. The Bible says he is a male. That kind of kick started gender discrimination.

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Postby Divair » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:48 pm

Soviet New Romania wrote:The Christian god must be a he. He is obviously a he because Christians say so. The Bible says he is a male. That kind of kick started gender discrimination.

But we aren't only talking about the Christian god.

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:48 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I am a Southern Baptist, so I obviously believe in God. Southern Baptists tend to be right- wing conservatives, but unlike many of them, I think Catholics and Orthodox are going to Heaven just like the Protestants.

God is not an entity whose existence you can prove nor disprove, you got to have faith. Once you acquire that faith, it is pretty hard to (though not impossible) to give up the faith in God and Jesus.

Faith is demonstrably not a pathway to truth. Many people have had faith in the end of the world before. Many people right now have faith in many different types of god. Faith is, evidently, not a pathway to the truth. Why should anyone believe on faith? Faith is not a virtue, it's gullibility.
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Postby Soviet New Romania » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:48 pm

Divair wrote:
Soviet New Romania wrote:The Christian god must be a he. He is obviously a he because Christians say so. The Bible says he is a male. That kind of kick started gender discrimination.

But we aren't only talking about the Christian god.

Darn, forgot to quote.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:49 pm

Person012345 wrote:Most atheists don't claim he doesn't exist. By the way.


I do.

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Postby Soviet New Romania » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:49 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I am a Southern Baptist, so I obviously believe in God. Southern Baptists tend to be right- wing conservatives, but unlike many of them, I think Catholics and Orthodox are going to Heaven just like the Protestants.

God is not an entity whose existence you can prove nor disprove, you got to have faith. Once you acquire that faith, it is pretty hard to (though not impossible) to give up the faith in God and Jesus.

Faith is a fallacy.

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:50 pm

But most do not.

Well, actually I don't have statistics, so maybe it's better if I say you can't infer that an atheist claims that god does not exist from his atheism.

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Postby 4years » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:50 pm

Marhoulia wrote:Anything inconcevable cannot exist.
There, so we know that there is at least an afterlife (I know it sounds shakey, but seriously, I can't find evidence to the contrary)

That means there is an afterlife because you cannot concieve of not thinking, for solid colors do not count, youre thinking of a color, are you not?

If you want to take it further, fundamentalists cannot concive of god not existing, that means god exists.
And, if there are fanatics too any religion, then those religions are correct too!
Unless you think you are the only person who exists. (Decartes)


I cannot connive of you. Now go stop existing. Your argument makes no sense.
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Postby Divair » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:51 pm

Soviet New Romania wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:I am a Southern Baptist, so I obviously believe in God. Southern Baptists tend to be right- wing conservatives, but unlike many of them, I think Catholics and Orthodox are going to Heaven just like the Protestants.

God is not an entity whose existence you can prove nor disprove, you got to have faith. Once you acquire that faith, it is pretty hard to (though not impossible) to give up the faith in God and Jesus.

Faith is a fallacy.

A pretty big one at that.

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:51 pm

Also, it's not that hard to give up faith in Yahweh and Jesus, a good way that works for a lot of people is just to read the bible.

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Postby Jewcrew » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:52 pm

Person012345 wrote:Also, it's not that hard to give up faith in Yahweh and Jesus, a good way that works for a lot of people is just to read the bible.


I could read the Art of War in Chinese, it doesn't mean I'd understand it.
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Postby 7 Deadly Sins » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:53 pm

Austiana wrote:Now, I suppose I am a Christian, however I am not completely convinced that there is a god looking over me 24/7. Now, there probably has been THOUSANDS of these forums but I'm just interested, what are your beliefs and what do you think?

Note: Please do not argue with each other, we are all entitled to believe in what we want to believe in


What I believe is the paranormal, supernatural, angels, devils, heaven, and hell. I don't believe in god unless I see him/her with my own eyes since any proof of him could be proven as something else

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Postby Ajax Prime » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:53 pm

Personally I believe so. But I also enjoy this:
"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is." -Albert Camus
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Postby 4years » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:54 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I am a Southern Baptist, so I obviously believe in God. Southern Baptists tend to be right- wing conservatives, but unlike many of them, I think Catholics and Orthodox are going to Heaven just like the Protestants.

God is not an entity whose existence you can prove nor disprove, you got to have faith. Once you acquire that faith, it is pretty hard to (though not impossible) to give up the faith in God and Jesus.


I have faith that endless money is hiding under my computer, therefore I shall be rich.
'checks under computer'
umm... No money, so much more faith.
Try again.
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Postby Divair » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:54 pm

Ajax Prime wrote:Personally I believe so. But I also enjoy this:
"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is." -Albert Camus

Ffs, not this again
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... eaven.html

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:54 pm

Jewcrew wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Also, it's not that hard to give up faith in Yahweh and Jesus, a good way that works for a lot of people is just to read the bible.


I could read the Art of War in Chinese, it doesn't mean I'd understand it.

Good for you? Was there a point hidden in there somewhere?

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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:55 pm

Ajax Prime wrote:Personally I believe so. But I also enjoy this:
"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is." -Albert Camus

Right, so what if god is allah?

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