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Madoka Kaname
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Postby Madoka Kaname » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:59 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Madoka Kaname wrote:I prefer the Mosque of Batman. *nods*


Why are you talking? You don't exist anymore. *nods*

That's mean! I am everywhere, you just can't see me! :(
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:59 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:That's mean! I am everywhere, you just can't see me! :(


Well, I'm not a magical girl, so I wouldn't know. :p
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:59 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thank you, Mav.

I now am a member of the United Church of Batman.

I prefer the Mosque of Batman. *nods*

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Postby Williamson » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:59 pm

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Williamson wrote:it doesn't have to be, but people want a god to exist


I want a heavy bolter and a Power Armour. Do they exist?

Maybe i didn't explain that good enough. I said that god doesn't have to exist but people wants it to . That is why people belive in God there no prove but people have faith that god realy does exist. I am not saying it does exist, i am not God exist i am just saying that people belive in god because they hope their is one.
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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:59 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Keronians wrote:
If G, then G is real. :p

Well, it doesn't say "if". It just states that G therefore G. It's meaningless.

To expand, the argument basically says:
If god is real, then he is the greatest being imaginable. <- An expansion of "god is the greatest being imaginable" - if he is not real, then he is not the greatest being imaginable, as stated within the argument itself, thus being the greatest being necessitates his reality.

God is the greatest being imaginable therefore he is real.

An argument phrased similarly:
If all labradors are birds, then all labradors are animals

All labradors are animals, therefore all labradors are birds.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:00 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Why are you talking? You don't exist anymore. *nods*

That's mean! I am everywhere, you just can't see me! :(

*points to corner* Go. Sit. Behave.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:01 pm

Williamson wrote:Maybe i didn't explain that good enough. I said that god doesn't have to exist but people wants it to . That is why people belive in God there no prove but people have faith that god realy does exist. I am not saying it does exist, i am not God exist i am just saying that people belive in god because they hope their is one.


My question is: Are they right?
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:01 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:All you've done here is fall back on the old argument from ignorance, except you haven't the courage to say "the God of Abraham and Isaac." Your "god" is "the Mystery of the Universe," an essentially meaningless phrase.

When I'm far down the road of modern understanding and I come upon a bewildering occurrence I usually say, "Whoa, okay, that's weird, we should look into that." I do not say, "Wow, must be Go ... I mean, must be the Mystery of the Universe."

I think the poster is just explaining the origin of gods. And really, the problem here is that not a lot of people can be arsed to learn more about science or how the world works.

Maybe, but phrases like "down the road of modern understanding" make me think he's talking about the present day.
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Postby Leepaidamba » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:01 pm

Madoka Kaname wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Why are you talking? You don't exist anymore. *nods*

That's mean! I am everywhere, you just can't see me! :(

We don't want you to exist, therefore you don't. ;)
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:02 pm

Leepaidamba wrote:
Madoka Kaname wrote:That's mean! I am everywhere, you just can't see me! :(

We don't want you to exist, therefore you don't. ;)


Madoka sacrificed her existence to save every other magical girl at the end of the series. She is but a concept now.
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Postby Williamson » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:03 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Williamson wrote:Maybe i didn't explain that good enough. I said that god doesn't have to exist but people wants it to . That is why people belive in God there no prove but people have faith that god realy does exist. I am not saying it does exist, i am not God exist i am just saying that people belive in god because they hope their is one.


My question is: Are they right?

Their is no way of Knowing
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:03 pm

Williamson wrote:Their is no way of Knowing


Russell's Teapot provides a good alternative.
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Postby Keronians » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:03 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Keronians wrote:If I've understood the question... none.


So time isn't the cause of God, then? What is the cause of God?


No idea. Maybe there isn't one.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:04 pm

Keronians wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
So time isn't the cause of God, then? What is the cause of God?


No idea. Maybe there isn't one.


And why does there have to be a God, then? What if the universe itself has no cause? Eliminating the middle being saves you time and resources.
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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:05 pm

Or indeed:
Cthulu is the most terrifying being possible. Cthulu is more terrifying if it is real than if it isn't. Therefore Cthulu is real.
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Postby Leepaidamba » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:06 pm

Williamson wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
My question is: Are they right?

Their is no way of Knowing

None that we presently know of at least. For some that is, because we can be certain that a few others definitely aren't.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:03 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Well, it doesn't say "if". It just states that G therefore G. It's meaningless.

To expand, the argument basically says:
If god is real, then he is the greatest being imaginable. <- An expansion of "god is the greatest being imaginable" - if he is not real, then he is not the greatest being imaginable, as stated within the argument itself, thus being the greatest being necessitates his reality.

God is the greatest being imaginable therefore he is real.

An argument phrased similarly:
If all labradors are birds, then all labradors are animals

All labradors are animals, therefore all labradors are birds.









((L=>B)=>(L=>A))=>((L=>A)=>(L=>B))
010101010101010
010101110111010
011101010101011
011101110111011
100110011001100
100111101110100
111010011001111
111111111111111


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Postby Person012345 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:07 pm

You mean Cthulu isn't real? ;_;
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:30 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Keronians wrote:
No idea. Maybe there isn't one.


And why does there have to be a God, then? What if the universe itself has no cause? Eliminating the middle being saves you time and resources.

It's comforting to think of one for some.
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Postby 4 Riech » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:33 pm

I Strongly Think there is A god
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Postby Divair » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:33 pm

4 Riech wrote:I Strongly Think there is A god

I strongly think I'm a billionaire.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:38 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:It's comforting to think of one for some.


They're entitled to believe, but they cannot claim it exists.
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:40 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:It's comforting to think of one for some.


They're entitled to believe, but they cannot claim it exists.


They can claim He exists just like you claim He doesn't exist.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:41 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
They're entitled to believe, but they cannot claim it exists.


They can claim He exists just like you claim He doesn't exist.


They're entitled to their beliefs, but not to their own facts.

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