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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:29 pm

Shotgun91 wrote:Let's see!

Tried to push through a few internet censorship bills...backdoor deals since most of you don't hear about them.

Tripled the US national debt, and has no plans to reduce it.

Cut the Keystone pipeline off from Canada, now we've taken our oil to China and refined it at home.

Failed on his healthcare policy.

Went into Libya without congressional approval, and thus can be impeached for it. (And yes there is a congressional hearing going on currently regarding this you can look it up)

Passed the National Defense Authorization Act, which is a direct violation of the first amendment and it puts journalists, photojournalists, and bloggers at risk for arrest if we speak out against the US government.

I'd say he's done some pretty stupid things in his terms, whilst not as stupid at GW Bush. I give Bush credit for getting congressional approval before he went in on both wars that the US started.


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Postby Shotgun91 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:29 pm

Laerod wrote:
Shotgun91 wrote:Tripled the US national debt,

Why does this keep getting parroted?
and has no plans to reduce it.

Buffett Rule.


And I'm guessing you don't have any proof to otherwise.

The reason I brang it up is because it literally has made the Canadian government have to go into panic mode to keep our economy alive which we have. Americans need to quit thinking it only affects them, take the blinders off and look at the world.

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Postby Laerod » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:36 pm

Shotgun91 wrote:
Laerod wrote:Why does this keep getting parroted?

Buffett Rule.


And I'm guessing you don't have any proof to otherwise.

The reason I brang it up is because it literally has made the Canadian government have to go into panic mode to keep our economy alive which we have. Americans need to quit thinking it only affects them, take the blinders off and look at the world.

No, you misunderstand. This got debunked pages ago and the guy that mentioned it publicly admitted he was wrong.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:46 pm

Confederation of American States wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You have sources of all of this, of course. I'm sure you just forgot to link them in your rush to set us all straight. Take your time but please, be very specific.


NDAA Signing and indefinite dentition: http://www.aclu.org/national-security/p ... n-bill-law
Executive Order National Defense Resources Prepardness (Seizing the entire economy, property, and people): http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-off ... eparedness
Obama and DoJ declaring power to kill any citizen they want: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... l_doctrine
more on them declaring power to assassinate any citizen: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/world ... wanted=all
Obama assassinates US citizen and his brother: http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/ ... us-citizen
Obama Presiding over the UN Security Council (which is illegal under the constitution as the president cannot serve a foreign agency or take any title other than president I can get specific with where in the constitution if you really want to walk that path): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTB-LDWoETA
Panetta commits treason and says that Military gets authorization from UN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovuWJQrwpIw
more: http://www.infowars.com/coup-detat-pent ... eremonial/
more: http://www.republicmagazine.com/news/pa ... syria.html

I have more sources than that for each thing that I mentioned those where just the first in my bookmarks so I pulled them for conveince. You can look all this stuff up for yourself if you really want to. I say things unless I have a source to back it up and with everything stated above I have MULTIPLE sources.

- The 2012 NDAA was modified to exclude American citizens, and the President issued a statement at signing saying that no citizens would come under those provisions (which, by the way, go back to the AUMF that authorized Bush to start the War on Terror).
- That Executive Order is about planning for a catastrophe. Hardly seizing the entire everything of everything in the country.
- Al-Awlaki and his brother were levying war against the United States, or giving aid and comfort to her enemies. By doing so they are committing treason and place themselves in very dubious territory as far as constitutional protections.
- The President presiding over the Security Council was purely ceremonial, however, I would like to see where the Constitution forbids it. I could see a problem if Mr. Obama were paid by the UN for presiding over the Council, but I doubt that was the case.
- In a sense, Secretary Panetta is correct: the UN and NATO can authorize US military action without Congressional approval. Under the War Powers Act, the President can send the military into combat for 60 days without prior approval from Congress.
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Postby Confederation of American States » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:48 pm

Laerod wrote:
Shotgun91 wrote:Tripled the US national debt,

Why does this keep getting parroted?
and has no plans to reduce it.

Buffett Rule.


Buffett rule actually would do barely anything to fix the debt as it would not bring in NEAR enough revenue to come anyway near to solving the debt crisis.

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Postby Avenio » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:48 pm

Shotgun91 wrote:The reason I brang it up is because it literally has made the Canadian government have to go into panic mode to keep our economy alive which we have. Americans need to quit thinking it only affects them, take the blinders off and look at the world.


Wait, what? :blink: I'm a Canadian, and I've never heard of this before. Source?

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:50 pm

I get to stay on my parents health insurance until I'm 26.

I also have more help paying for college.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:52 pm

Confederation of American States wrote:
Laerod wrote:Why does this keep getting parroted?

Buffett Rule.


Buffett rule actually would do barely anything to fix the debt as it would not bring in NEAR enough revenue to come anyway near to solving the debt crisis.

very true.

but the president has made plans that exceed the republcan party's plan for deficit reduction.
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Postby Soviet Russia Republic » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:55 pm

He's helped create better ties with Russia. Now if we could only be allies we could conquer the world together!
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Postby Asterdan » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:55 pm

Absolutely nothing...
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Postby Vecherd » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:56 pm

Nothing at all, sucked up some tax money back in 09 but not much else.
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Postby Ertae » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:57 pm

Being able to stay on my parents' insurance policy for several extra years. Not sure beyond that, but that alone has been greatly helpful.
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Postby Ryan12 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:58 pm

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:58 pm

Vecherd wrote:Nothing at all, suck up some tax money back in 09 but not much else.

Asterdan wrote:Absolutely nothing...


:roll:

No wonder this country seems to be circling the drain... people like you two seem to make up about half of the population.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:04 pm

Confederation of American States wrote:
Laerod wrote:Why does this keep getting parroted?

Buffett Rule.


Buffett rule actually would do barely anything to fix the debt as it would not bring in NEAR enough revenue to come anyway near to solving the debt crisis.

Which is rather irrelevant when what I was doing was refuting the assertion that there were no plans at all.

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:05 pm

Laerod wrote:
Confederation of American States wrote:
Buffett rule actually would do barely anything to fix the debt as it would not bring in NEAR enough revenue to come anyway near to solving the debt crisis.

Which is rather irrelevant when what I was doing was refuting the assertion that there were no plans at all.


Tens of billions of dollars in one of his many proposed changes is actually less than the negative dollars saved by every Republican proposal.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:06 pm

Confederation of American States wrote:What has Obama done for me?
Well first off he shredded my constitution (not just him Bush did too and a number of presidents before going way back). He has gotten rid of due process by signing the National Defense Authorization Act which has a provision that allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial. He has given an executive order that allows the president to seize the entire economy, private property, as well as draft and intern citizens into work brigades and the military in the event of a "national defense emergency" which the order says can happen during peacetime. He has been the first president to assassinate a U.S. citizens with Al-Awlaki and his brother. Obama has continued the Keynesian policy of destroying the economy and done absolutely nothing to help it. He has called me a conspiracy theorist, extremist, possible homegrown terrorist, and told me I can sit in the back of the bus in numerous speeches since I am an avid liberty lover, constitutionalist, and libertarian. Should I continue? Basically he's destroyed the republic more than Bush did. Its like FDR on steroids...

Oh and he has continued to trample on the sovereignty of the United States. He's allowed the Fed (a beast that needs destroyed) to bailout banks or give loans to banks in Europe. He presided over the UN security council which is actually illegal according to the constitution. And on top of all that his Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, for the first time in American history said that he takes his orders from the U.N. and NATO and then tells congress what the military is going to do, that was with regard to Libya. Though Panetta said that and not Obama, Panetta works for Obama ultimately and Libya was an Obama thing. Panetta was talking about in a hearing on that that the UN is what gave them the authorization to attack Libya. So basically Obama has continued the same Bush policy, Destroying the Constitutional Republic.


Interesting. You restate the question "what has Obama done for me", and then list things... that happened to other people.

I admit, I am assuming you haven't been murdered, or are posting from some secret detention facility.
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Postby Asterdan » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:06 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Vecherd wrote:Nothing at all, suck up some tax money back in 09 but not much else.

Asterdan wrote:Absolutely nothing...


:roll:

No wonder this country seems to be circling the drain... people like you two seem to make up about half of the population.


Except it's true... but then again... no President ever really does anything for the small towns in the Appalachians of Western NC... Bush did nothing too..
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:14 pm

Nothing, really.

Why, was he supposed to? I'm not exactly part of a demographic that needs any help.
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:18 pm

Confederation of American States wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Probably?

You still don't know me, apparently.


I can tell by your flag that you don't approve of subsidies. Gotta say, I really like that flag :p

Thank you. On both counts.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:18 pm

Shotgun91 wrote:
Laerod wrote:Why does this keep getting parroted?

Buffett Rule.


And I'm guessing you don't have any proof to otherwise.

The reason I brang it up is because it literally has made the Canadian government have to go into panic mode to keep our economy alive which we have. Americans need to quit thinking it only affects them, take the blinders off and look at the world.


If the bolded (my addition) isn't the biggest pile of "hyperbole" I've read in a while, I dunno what is.

Edit: To suggest that the entire Canadian economy, which is one of the biggest in the world, relied on the laying of a single fuel pipe, is beyond ludicrous to the point of hilarity.
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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:19 pm

Laerod wrote:
and has no plans to reduce it.

Buffett Rule.

:rofl:
It's supposed to raise $47 billion over 10 years.

Yep, that will pay the debt right off.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:23 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Laerod wrote:
Buffett Rule.

:rofl:
It's supposed to raise $47 billion over 10 years.

Yep, that will pay the debt right off.

The Buffett Rule was QED, man. Can't touch that =P

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Postby Deus Malum » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:36 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Laerod wrote:
Buffett Rule.

:rofl:
It's supposed to raise $47 billion over 10 years.

Yep, that will pay the debt right off.

Which is still a "reduction."

Unless we're redefining reduction to mean complete and total elimination.
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Postby Sucrati » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:37 pm

Laerod wrote:
Sibirsky wrote: :rofl:
It's supposed to raise $47 billion over 10 years.

Yep, that will pay the debt right off.

The Buffett Rule was QED, man. Can't touch that =P


The only way we will ever pay off our national debt is that we stop spending outside our means, sure, cutting military spending and waste will help. However, we need more people paying INTO the system. However, we seem to have a growing amount of people becoming part of the welfare program or other government based programs, some have little to no choice, however, those who see those systems as a better alternative to working and earning a paycheck, just because they don't have to work for it, are just leeches on the system. We've forgotten that welfare was not meant to be a permanent solution to unemployment, but just a 'helping hand' until the person could find work again. Of course there are specific groups excluded.

Putting all military spending into every other government spending apparatus is NOT a wise idea, after all, the Department of Defense is the world's largest employer for private and public occupations, so, yes, you would be killing many jobs and we would be left without a large enough defense to hold off even the smallest of nations invading us... after all, we as citizens tend to see more and more restrictions on ourselves when it comes to individual choices.

What has Obama done for me? Enough to make me actually pay attention to the Constitution again, that's what... and that isn't a good thing on his part.
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