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Re: What has Obama done for you?

Postby Jolleus » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:06 am

Barack Obama's economic stimulus package provided money that directly benefited my hometown of Osawatomie, Kansas. Our public library was significantly expanded, downtown was remodeled, and many damaged roads and sidewalks received the repair that they desperately needed.
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Postby Illuminatis » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:06 am

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Postby The lepearchauns » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:07 am

Um...I have health insurance and an economy to get a job in(as opposed to no economy at all)
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:07 am

Jocabia wrote:
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nah, no way stopping offshore drilling would have any effect on prices at the pump. but no more blood for oil, amirite?

Liberals gonna lib

Again, oil production in the US is the highest it has been in 8 years. What you're claiming simply isn't true. There is no evidence that increasing domestic production lowers local prices. None. Oil does not work like that.

Quick question, BP, a company that has been responsible for a number of oil disasters that cost the US economy billions of dollars, is from what country? Hint: it ain't the US. Why would foreign companies give special treatment to the US when they are not required to?


I'm sure they haven't the foggiest BP was formerly called BRITISH PETROLEUM. Probably think it stands for Bitch, Please, it's Obama's fault.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:07 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Source for his TRIPLING of the US national debt?


Tripling is being quite generous.
Obama has racked up more debt than every other POTUS combined.

While some of his goals are quite noble actually, (ObamaCare, being the most obvious) we don't have the funds to support any of it.


http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

These numbers disagree with you.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:10 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Source for his TRIPLING of the US national debt?


Tripling is being quite generous.
Obama has racked up more debt than every other POTUS combined.

While some of his goals are quite noble actually, (ObamaCare, being the most obvious) we don't have the funds to support any of it.


Except that simply isn't true. The worst he could be accused of is failing to get rid of those ridiculous policies, but the blame for that can sit fairly heavily on the Republicans, considering how determined they've been to block every single thing he did.
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Postby Coffee Cakes » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:10 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Coffee Cakes wrote:
Tripling is being quite generous.
Obama has racked up more debt than every other POTUS combined.

While some of his goals are quite noble actually, (ObamaCare, being the most obvious) we don't have the funds to support any of it.

I believed he asked for a source, not more bitching.


Here's one, that seems to be fair, upon a reading of it, taking shots at both Dems and Reps, actually.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/has-national-debt-increased-more-under-obama-than-bush/

And while it does indeed prove me at least half wrong, it still gives a good picture of the situation.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:10 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:Raised gas prices.

Oh wait, that's not what you were aiming for was it, OP?


Not really. Try: North American Rotary Rig Counts

from this site: http://investor.shareholder.com/bhi/rig ... _index.cfm

January 20th, 2009 - Obama inaugurated. Active US crude wells that week = 324.

January 20th. 2012 - parallel data, for seasonal comparison. Active US crude wells that week = 1223


In other words, under this administration drill(babydrill)ing has quadrupled.

What you're seeing is the increasing demand of emerging markets like China - not a supply-side problem.
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Postby Jocabia » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:12 am

Katganistan wrote:
Odins Scandinavia wrote:
nah, no way stopping offshore drilling would have any effect on prices at the pump. but no more blood for oil, amirite?

Liberals gonna lib

No way oil pouring into the water destroyed the tourist industry or the fishing industry because the regulated to hell company couldn't be bothered to get off its ass and plug the damned thing for three months. And no way that was a waste of your precious oil, amirite?

Going to troll some more?

Kat, that's not what happened, in all fairness.

They did everything they could responsibly do in order to plug the hole. The issue really wasn't with their response. It was a difficult situation. I actually work with some of the engineers that were trying to solve the crisis.

However, they are culpable for the damage. Unlike other BP oil disasters that I've used to demonstrate the importance of proper maintenance and workplace safety, this one was criminal. BP knowingly chose an underqualified concrete for a repair that eventually led to the rupture. It was lack of regulation that caused this disaster and it was done knowingly. Most disasters are preventable accidents. This was not an accident and that is what we should harp on, not the responsiveness once they'd caused the deaths of more than dozen people and destroyed 1000s of sq. miles of water and coastline.
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Postby Jocabia » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:15 am

Double post
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JJ Place wrote:Sure, the statistics are that a gun is more likely to harm a family member than a criminal

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Postby Running Dog Capitalists » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:15 am

He has increased the debt by $1.13 trillion. As a bonus, the U.S. debt-to-GDP has passed 100%. Good for my kids and grandkids.

He has demonized those who actually invest and provide capital for small business.

He has demonized two industries that I work in. Healthcare and Finance.

He has demonized anyone who wants to tackle economic issues, entitlement stability, or joblessness as social darwinists.

He has taken over a car company for the benefit of his Union pals and then closed down a production plant in my area which has destroyed the local economy.

He has increased the unemployment rate of my country but, fortunately, he has figured out a way to adjust the numbers without really employing anyone.

All in all it is exactly what I expected from Obama before he got elected. On a positive note, I did win a large sum of money from people who thought he wouldn't get elected.

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Postby Hittanryan » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:17 am

Running Dog Capitalists wrote:He has increased the debt by $1.13 trillion. As a bonus, the U.S. debt-to-GDP has passed 100%. Good for my kids and grandkids.

He has demonized those who actually invest and provide capital for small business.

He has demonized two industries that I work in. Healthcare and Finance.

He has demonized anyone who wants to tackle economic issues, entitlement stability, or joblessness as social darwinists.

He has taken over a car company for the benefit of his Union pals and then closed down a production plant in my area which has destroyed the local economy.

He has increased the unemployment rate of my country but, fortunately, he has figured out a way to adjust the numbers without really employing anyone.

All in all it is exactly what I expected from Obama before he got elected. On a positive note, I did win a large sum of money from people who thought he wouldn't get elected.

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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:19 am

Katganistan wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:All quiet on the Libyan front?


Oh, I see you have confused sending troops by UN request with actually starting a war.

Nah, looks like "sending troops" isn't "war" when it's your guy ordering the bombing. Both the fighting in Afghanistan and Libya were authorized by the UNSC. (Technically, of course, UNSC resolution 1973 specifically didn't authorize troops.)

Or you do mean the key difference is that we asked the French and the British to take the lead on the UNSC resolution on Libya, so it wouldn't look like a US war? OK, have your fig leaf. But the point remains that the US was not obligated to send forces by the resolution on Libya, but was permitted to and chose to... for perfectly good reasons, which I support. But "Obama didn't start another war" is simply not factual.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:20 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Source for his TRIPLING of the US national debt?


Tripling is being quite generous.
Obama has racked up more debt than every other POTUS combined.


Not really.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036

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Postby Ende » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:20 am

Increased the debt and made taxes higher.

On the plus side, he didn't invade anyone. And some of the stuff he's done has been decent.

On the negative side, we still have troops in Iraq and Afganistan. And he actually moved more soldiers into Afganistan.

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Postby Huskvarneque » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:21 am

Nothing.... then again what can I say, I'm a sixteen year old teen, what affect would any of this have on me, at least at the moment.... unless I'm missing something here. >.>"

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Postby Coffee Cakes » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:21 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Coffee Cakes wrote:
Tripling is being quite generous.
Obama has racked up more debt than every other POTUS combined.


Not really.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036

You can't blame the incumbent for the contributions of his predecessors.


I addressed that a few posts ago while admitting I was wrong about it.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:22 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Really? How'd he do that? I wasn't aware that the President controlled the oil companies.


Uh, putting a near stop to offshore drilling and opposing Keystone isn't gonna help lower gas prices or foster independence from oil for our enemies will it? Exactly.


CC, the Obama administration has issued more drilling permits than any other administration in American history. Oil production is at the highest point since 2004 today. The problem with gas prices is this pissing contest in Iran and rampant speculation, not Barack Obama.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:22 am

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
Oh, I see you have confused sending troops by UN request with actually starting a war.

Nah, looks like "sending troops" isn't "war" when it's your guy ordering the bombing. Both the fighting in Afghanistan and Libya were authorized by the UNSC. (Technically, of course, UNSC resolution 1973 specifically didn't authorize troops.)

Or you do mean the key difference is that we asked the French and the British to take the lead on the UNSC resolution on Libya, so it wouldn't look like a US war? OK, have your fig leaf. But the point remains that the US was not obligated to send forces by the resolution on Libya, but was permitted to and chose to... for perfectly good reasons, which I support. But "Obama didn't start another war" is simply not factual.

He didn't. The war was well underway and Obama intervened on behalf of what was arguably the better side.

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:23 am

Ende wrote:Increased the debt and made taxes higher.

On the plus side, he didn't invade anyone. And some of the stuff he's done has been decent.

On the negative side, we still have troops in Iraq and Afganistan. And he actually moved more soldiers into Afganistan.

what taxes went up?
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Postby Jocabia » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:23 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Coffee Cakes wrote:
Uh, putting a near stop to offshore drilling and opposing Keystone isn't gonna help lower gas prices or foster independence from oil for our enemies will it? Exactly.


CC, the Obama administration has issued more drilling permits than any other administration in American history. Oil production is at the highest point since 2004 today. The problem with gas prices is this pissing contest in Iran and rampant speculation, not Barack Obama.

And oil production has increased year by year under Obama. There has never been a time while Obama was President where oil production decreased, in fact.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:25 am

Ende wrote:Increased the debt and made taxes higher.

On the plus side, he didn't invade anyone. And some of the stuff he's done has been decent.

On the negative side, we still have troops in Iraq and Afganistan. And he actually moved more soldiers into Afganistan.

When did he raise taxes? And where do we have troops in Iraq aside from the Embassy and Consulates?

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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:25 am

Huskvarneque wrote:Nothing.... then again what can I say, I'm a sixteen year old teen, what affect would any of this have on me, at least at the moment.... unless I'm missing something here. >.>"

his increasing pell grants might affect your college plans. if you are interested in a medical career the ACA might have benefits for you.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:25 am

When I accompanied a friend to see R.E.M. in 2008 (the day before he was elected), Michael Stipe made some propaganda about him, so I guess he made the show more enjoyable by being brought up by Michael Stipe in the midst of listening to their songs (they bore me). :lol:
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:26 am

Coffee Cakes wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Not really.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036

You can't blame the incumbent for the contributions of his predecessors.


I addressed that a few posts ago while admitting I was wrong about it.


I see that. Well, you actually claimed: "it does indeed prove me at least half wrong".

Which isn't entirely accurate, is it? No - your source quite explicitly shows the claim "Obama has racked up more debt than every other POTUS combined" to be untrue. The 'debt' that was 'racked up' was largely 'racked up' either during the preceding terms, or caused by them. As illustrated in the source I provided.
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