Tony Blair wants to bomb Iran

[RightLeaningChristians]

How?

Pretty sure the 10 Commandments explain this. Making a gold jesus on the cross = Bad. Got to have some consistency with yer religion to be honest.

"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them"

From the CCC.

2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure. . . . "66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. "He is the all," but at the same time "he is greater than all his works."67 He is "the author of beauty."68

2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.69

2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:


Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.71

[Yootopia]

Seems pretty schizophrenic to me, but whatever, that's the Bible for you.

[New Dracora]

israel will bomb them first. if you didn't notice, iran doesn't like jews, to be more specific he wants to wipe israel off the face of the planet and having nuclear weapons will prolly make this more possible. so i guess not bombing iran will make tham want to have peace with israel and the rest of the west?

This.

They did it to Osirak in the '80s, can't see why they'd hesitate should they suspect Iran of having a nuclear weapons program.

edit: actually, now that I think about Iraq is in the way... will have to wait for the US to leave iraqi airspace first.

[Yootopia]

israel will bomb them first. if you didn't notice, iran doesn't like jews, to be more specific he wants to wipe israel off the face of the planet and having nuclear weapons will prolly make this more possible. so i guess not bombing iran will make tham want to have peace with israel and the rest of the west?

This.

They did it to Osirak in the '80s, can't see why they'd hesitate should they suspect Iran of having a nuclear weapons program.

Because unlike Iraq in the 1980s, Iran is not currently in a massively destructive war with someone on the opposite side of its country.

[Ordo Mallus]

israel will bomb them first. if you didn't notice, iran doesn't like jews, to be more specific he wants to wipe israel off the face of the planet and having nuclear weapons will prolly make this more possible. so i guess not bombing iran will make tham want to have peace with israel and the rest of the west?

This.

They did it to Osirak in the '80s, can't see why they'd hesitate should they suspect Iran of having a nuclear weapons program.

lol we know they have a program, we have satallite photos of their sites and as soon as we'd tell them to stop what they were doing they would just dissapear and we'd find them some where else. there is no doubt they have a program, there is no doubt they want to wipe israel off the face of the earth (hell they said it themselves), and the closer they get to doing so the closer we get to another gruelling war of attrition. if you think we should just ignore this, congrads.

[Yootopia]

israel will bomb them first. if you didn't notice, iran doesn't like jews, to be more specific he wants to wipe israel off the face of the planet and having nuclear weapons will prolly make this more possible. so i guess not bombing iran will make tham want to have peace with israel and the rest of the west?

This.

They did it to Osirak in the '80s, can't see why they'd hesitate should they suspect Iran of having a nuclear weapons program.

lol we know they have a program, we have satallite photos of their sites and as soon as we'd tell them to stop what they were doing they would just dissapear and we'd find them some where else. there is no doubt they have a program, there is no doubt they want to wipe israel off the face of the earth (hell they said it themselves), and the closer they get to doing so the closer we get to another gruelling war of attrition. if you think we should just ignore this, congrads.

Yeah I'm sure that bombing their nuclear sites is going to defuse the situation and build the kind of relationship of trust that countries actually need to work with each other in terms of international diplomacy.

The whole "wipe Israel off the face of the earth" thing was just populist noise, designed to win the support of the Iran-Iraq War baby boomers. You'll see the Persian population voting more against Achmujenidad as they get older and less hormonal, especially since a lot of them were clearly offended about the (totally unnecessary) electoral fraud of this last contest.

[Baltija]

He just said that Iran can't be allowed to have Nuclear weapons. I just saw it on the telly.

He didn't specifically say that he wanted to bomb Iran, but given that he is the third anti-christ, and that he likes bombing things (proven fact, look at his record), I think Iran is next up.

If I was that amadinnerjacket guy I'd be building nukes like tomorrow would never come at this point. Clearly the forces of the 'west' are looking for a target for more 'democracy'.

I agree with build moar nukes part, but Blair should let Iran to nuke Israel first, then nuke Iran. Two great problems solved.

[Yootopia]

He just said that Iran can't be allowed to have Nuclear weapons. I just saw it on the telly.

He didn't specifically say that he wanted to bomb Iran, but given that he is the third anti-christ, and that he likes bombing things (proven fact, look at his record), I think Iran is next up.

If I was that amadinnerjacket guy I'd be building nukes like tomorrow would never come at this point. Clearly the forces of the 'west' are looking for a target for more 'democracy'.

I agree with build moar nukes part, but Blair should let Iran to nuke Israel first, then nuke Iran. Two great problems solved.

I don't even think Iran is going to nuke Israel without them actually invading. Even then, it's unlikely. Countries are not going to use nuclear weapons on each other any time soon. Did we actually nuke China in the Korean War? No. Did we nuke Argentina in the Falklands war? No. Did Israel nuke Lebanon in 2006? No. Were nukes launched over the Kashmir region by either side? No.

[Ordo Mallus]

Yeah I'm sure that bombing their nuclear sites is going to defuse the situation and build the kind of relationship of trust that countries actually need to work with each other in terms of international diplomacy.

The whole "wipe Israel off the face of the earth" thing was just populist noise, designed to win the support of the Iran-Iraq War baby boomers. You'll see the Persian population voting more against Achmujenidad as they get older and less hormonal, especially since a lot of them were clearly offended about the (totally unnecessary) electoral fraud of this last contest.

bombing their nuclear sites prolly wouldn't help peace but it would stop a war, because if you didn't notice the Iranian president doesn't even egknowlegde (sorry for bad spelling) the existance of the Holocaust. nor does he think israel is a real nation. and yeah we can just ignore the fact that he rigged the last election so he could win.

[Yootopia]

bombing their nuclear sites prolly wouldn't help peace but it would stop a war

How is stopping Iran from having a nuclear deterrent a better way to stop a war in the region than not provoking them by blowing up their nuclear sites?

because if you didn't notice the Iranian president doesn't even egknowlegde (sorry for bad spelling) the existance of the Holocaust. nor does he think israel is a real nation.

Yeah Achmujenidad is a dick. That doesn't mean there's going to be a war. Let's say I hypothetically become Prime Minister and hypothetically do not recognise the Gaza Strip to be a legitimate piece of land for HAMAS to own, does that mean I would support the deaths of everyone inside it? No.

and yeah we can just ignore the fact that he rigged the last election so he could win.

I dunno if that was his call, there is clearly something going on in the top echelons of the religious leaders in Iran over what Iran should be like in the future.

[Ordo Mallus]

He just said that Iran can't be allowed to have Nuclear weapons. I just saw it on the telly.

He didn't specifically say that he wanted to bomb Iran, but given that he is the third anti-christ, and that he likes bombing things (proven fact, look at his record), I think Iran is next up.

If I was that amadinnerjacket guy I'd be building nukes like tomorrow would never come at this point. Clearly the forces of the 'west' are looking for a target for more 'democracy'.

I agree with build moar nukes part, but Blair should let Iran to nuke Israel first, then nuke Iran. Two great problems solved.

I don't even think Iran is going to nuke Israel without them actually invading. Even then, it's unlikely. Countries are not going to use nuclear weapons on each other any time soon. Did we actually nuke China in the Korean War? No. Did we nuke Argentina in the Falklands war? No. Did Israel nuke Lebanon in 2006? No. Were nukes launched over the Kashmir region by either side? No.

during the cold war did we get close to annahilating the entire planet? yes. in present day does the average man have the ability to kill hundreds if not thousands by himself? yes. will iran have the ability to annahilate israel if we just ignore the fact he is trying to make nuclear weapons and try and pursure peace which we have tryed and he just ignores it? yes.

now the question should be will history repeat itself?

[Ordo Mallus]

bombing their nuclear sites prolly wouldn't help peace but it would stop a war

How is stopping Iran from having a nuclear deterrent a better way to stop a war in the region than not provoking them by blowing up their nuclear sites?

because if you didn't notice the Iranian president doesn't even egknowlegde (sorry for bad spelling) the existance of the Holocaust. nor does he think israel is a real nation.

Yeah Achmujenidad is a dick. That doesn't mean there's going to be a war. Let's say I hypothetically become Prime Minister and hypothetically do not recognise the Gaza Strip to be a legitimate piece of land for HAMAS to own, does that mean I would support the deaths of everyone inside it? No.

and yeah we can just ignore the fact that he rigged the last election so he could win.

I dunno if that was his call, there is clearly something going on in the top echelons of the religious leaders in Iran over what Iran should be like in the future.

except for the fact that the religous leaders happen to agree with him and during the iran/iraq war they sent an entire generation to their deaths in the mine fields and machine gun fire of the iraqis.

[EnglandTown]

Im sorry But Iran Is Making The Mistakes We did Over again and They wont Listen We are halfing our N weapons and they want more! we are here to help them not amke that mistake but they are like Little BRATS! and wont litsen! What are to do?

[Yootopia]

during the cold war did we get close to annahilating the entire planet? yes.

Aye but did it happen? No.

in present day does the average man have the ability to kill hundreds if not thousands by himself? yes.

Does that mean that it happens on a regular basis? No.

will iran have the ability to annahilate israel if we just ignore the fact he is trying to make nuclear weapons and try and pursure peace which we have tryed and he just ignores it? yes.

Yeah both times that post-revolution Iran actually wanted to help the US they got fucked over by the old team of Donald Rumsfeld and men like John Bolton.

In the early 1990s the US put serious pressure on Iran, at that time under Rafsanjani, to get Hezbollah to release some US prisoners it was holding, which they then did, on the grounds that the US would normalise diplomatic and, more importantly, trade relations between the two countries. The prisoners got released, but the US was still hostile to Iran and there was still an embargo by any other name on their goods.

Then just after 9/11, the government of Iran gave the US the location a load of Taliban targets to hit inside Afghanistan, collected by their agents along with the Northern Alliance (who were their pals as much as ours), which was pretty useful to everyone involved. When they told us that they had the same kind of information about Iraq, as well as a lot of expat Iraqis who could be brought in to run the country after Saddam was taken out, in addition to possible military support by the forces of Iran, they basically got told to piss off.

This, along with the US' constant support of Israel on just about every issue in the near- and middle-East, as well as the US' support of Saddam Hussein prior to the Gulf War is the reason that a lot of the citizens of Iran, as well as the government itself, are kind of pissed off with The West in general.

now the question should be will history repeat itself?

Always ends up happening.

[Yootopia]

I dunno if [the vote-rigging] was his call, there is clearly something going on in the top echelons of the religious leaders in Iran over what Iran should be like in the future.

except for the fact that the religous leaders happen to agree with him

Again, though, it's hard to say which way around this is going. Keep in mind that the man at the top in Iran is not Achmujenidad, and that the Mullahs decide who is allowed to run in the presidential and regional elections, so to be a successful politician in Iran, you have to tow the line.

and during the iran/iraq war they sent an entire generation to their deaths in the mine fields and machine gun fire of the iraqis.

Iran didn't start that war, so I don't know what you're getting at, and without massive sanctions on their country basically because of the fallout of the extremely petty US embassy siege, they would've had to money to have been able to bring in enough equipment to not have to use children to occassionally clear minefields.

[Ordo Mallus]

I dunno if [the vote-rigging] was his call, there is clearly something going on in the top echelons of the religious leaders in Iran over what Iran should be like in the future.

except for the fact that the religous leaders happen to agree with him

Again, though, it's hard to say which way around this is going. Keep in mind that the man at the top in Iran is not Achmujenidad, and that the Mullahs decide who is allowed to run in the presidential and regional elections, so to be a successful politician in Iran, you have to tow the line.

and during the iran/iraq war they sent an entire generation to their deaths in the mine fields and machine gun fire of the iraqis.

Iran didn't start that war, so I don't know what you're getting at, and without massive sanctions on their country basically because of the fallout of the extremely petty US embassy siege, they would've had to money to have been able to bring in enough equipment to not have to use children to occassionally clear minefields.

they were given a bandana and a book and told to run at loud noises.

[Yootopia]

I dunno if [the vote-rigging] was his call, there is clearly something going on in the top echelons of the religious leaders in Iran over what Iran should be like in the future.

except for the fact that the religous leaders happen to agree with him

Again, though, it's hard to say which way around this is going. Keep in mind that the man at the top in Iran is not Achmujenidad, and that the Mullahs decide who is allowed to run in the presidential and regional elections, so to be a successful politician in Iran, you have to tow the line.

and during the iran/iraq war they sent an entire generation to their deaths in the mine fields and machine gun fire of the iraqis.

Iran didn't start that war, so I don't know what you're getting at, and without massive sanctions on their country basically because of the fallout of the extremely petty US embassy siege, they would've had to money to have been able to bring in enough equipment to not have to use children to occassionally clear minefields.

they were given a bandana and a book and told to run at loud noises.

Yeah this is why putting sanctions on one side in a war of annihilation that they didn't start is kind of lame.

[Ordo Mallus]

go on history.com and find the stuff on this, i know i watched it before and gave all the reasons to why they supported iraq (lesser of to evils i guess) but i forgot what they exactly said. something along the lines that if iran controlled most of the mid east it would send it into collapse or something. :/ think i might b a little wrong though so dont take it as fact lol

[Kathona]

Bombing Iran will destabilize the region all too much. The Israelis will have problem of getting there from Israel, the only option i can see is saudi arabia, but im not sure they will agree on an action like that.
U.S could barely keep the control of Iraq, now if a major scale war will break out, the country they have to deal with are nine times bigger in terms of area and population, than that of Iraq.
Syria and maybe lebanon will react to this attack in an violent way, and Iran, which we know is a major distributer of weapons and money to terrorists, will activate every sleeping terrorist cell they have educated, making europe and maybe u.s a really hot spot for terroristactions, i believe Iran got a hold on the western world there. Remember that Iran is the most powerful and industrialized country in the middle east.

[Connar Republic]

Bombing Iran is not the answer, just assasinate President Amaddinnerjacket and job done.

Mohammed Imadamnnutjob is not the one we need to kill, he's nothing more than the Shah's puppet

That's an exceptionally bold claim, since the Shah died in 1980.

Not the Shah The Iyotalla(SP?)

[The Capitale Building]

So guys, I heard today that Obama wants to put your grandparents on death panels and abort your babies.

Well, okay, he said "We need healthcare reform", but since he is the anti-christ and has a track record of turning everything he touches to communism (proven fact), I'm sure mandatory abortions are next up.

If I were a pregnant woman, I'd be stocking up on the guns and ammo to defend myself when the FBI's abortionist doctors show up in the middle of the night to kill my baby.

[Yootopia]

go on history.com and find the stuff on this, i know i watched it before and gave all the reasons to why they supported iraq

Basically because of the (very twatty) Iranian Embassy Siege, which broke every rule there is in diplomatic conduct.

[Yootopia]

Not the Shah The Iyotalla(SP?)

Ayatollah.

[Connar Republic]

Not the Shah The Iyotalla(SP?)

Ayatollah.

Whoever he is he's the one that needs a bullet in his head.

[Yootopia]

Not the Shah The Iyotalla(SP?)

Ayatollah.

Whoever he is he's the one that needs a bullet in his head.

Which will be fixing what, exactly?

The best way to make a society less repressive is not to shoot the guy in charge. That just makes the reformist ones panicky and an easy target for crackdowns.