Greenpeace

[Mikoyan-Guryevich]

They haven't stopped a whale hunt yet. Then add in the global condemnation and the fact that the vast majority of their supporters are 14 year old girls who love whales but know and understand little of politics.
I don't agree with whaling, I think it should be stopped, but Im not going to impede innocent fishermen who are trying to make a living in the world.

[Mikoyan-Guryevich]

These wackos are an off-shoot of our beloved greenpeace

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 03,00.html

of course, the media blames the japanese.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008 ... 139306.htm

here the idiots actually boarded a whaling ship, but they protest against the hospitality?

So, if I find a radical offshoot of christianity, can I claim christians make pipe bombs and blow up abortion clinics?

Yeah sure. We say Americans kill Iraqis and that Germans killed Jews. Hell, lets just throw political correctness out the window and use whatever generalisations we want.

[Niicha]

These wackos are an off-shoot of our beloved greenpeace

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 03,00.html

of course, the media blames the japanese.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008 ... 139306.htm

here the idiots actually boarded a whaling ship, but they protest against the hospitality?

So, if I find a radical offshoot of christianity, can I claim christians make pipe bombs and blow up abortion clinics?

Yeah sure. We say Americans kill Iraqis and that Germans killed Jews. Hell, lets just throw political correctness out the window and use whatever generalisations we want.

Sounds good!

Seriously though, who gets to decide which generalizations are fine and dandy and which are terrible. My point was you can't just clump together different groups and factions of environmentalists or christians.

[Natapoc]

They haven't stopped a whale hunt yet. Then add in the global condemnation and the fact that the vast majority of their supporters are 14 year old girls who love whales but know and understand little of politics.
I don't agree with whaling, I think it should be stopped, but Im not going to impede innocent fishermen who are trying to make a living in the world.

This is totally false. Sea shepherd has stopped whale hunts. It is true that the Japanese kill whales each year but the sea shepherd stops them by several different methods. Watch whale wars to see some examples

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/

Also sea shepherd is here: http://www.seashepherd.org/

fyi I'm a member of sea shepherd (not the crew) and I've seen Paul Watson speak in person. He is awesome. (and I'm not a 14 year old girl... or am I?)

[New Dracora]

Im over Greenpeace

No matter how dangerous, stupid or however many people are affected by these mongrels, their actions are always portrayed as 'heroic.' Yes, even commiting acts of piracy and ramming other ships, their actions are heroic.

Can you show me a time within the last 15 years where Greenpeace has "ramed" a ship or committed "piracy?"

http://www.icrwhale.org/eng/GPAS2.mpg

http://www.icrwhale.org/collision0.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/jan/02/whaling.activists

*rant time*

I f***ing hate Greenpeace, as well as all the other quasi-environment groups out there who are more interested in gaining political attention for their group (and thus money and influence), than in actually assisting in solving the issues they supposedly support.

It is posers like these that commit such acts of stupidity on a regular basis that end up undermining conservation groups and environmental scientists that are trying to be taken seriously, but end up being viewed in a negative light by various ruling authorities because of the idiot greenie stereotypes promoted by groups like Greenpeace.

Thankfully, it would seem in recent times that people in general are able to differentiate between the eco-morons and the eco-workers and are more willing to go past the hype and actually try and get more info on the environmental issue of interest. But still... while groups such as Greenpeace continue to exist, efforts to solve environmental problems in a rational and effective way will always be hampered by their acts of idiocy.

*end rant*

[Mikoyan-Guryevich]

They haven't stopped a whale hunt yet. Then add in the global condemnation and the fact that the vast majority of their supporters are 14 year old girls who love whales but know and understand little of politics.
I don't agree with whaling, I think it should be stopped, but Im not going to impede innocent fishermen who are trying to make a living in the world.

This is totally false. Sea shepherd has stopped whale hunts. It is true that the Japanese kill whales each year but the sea shepherd stops them by several different methods. Watch whale wars to see some examples

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/

Also sea shepherd is here: http://www.seashepherd.org/

fyi I'm a member of sea shepherd (not the crew) and I've seen Paul Watson speak in person. He is awesome. (and I'm not a 14 year old girl... or am I?)

Sorry, but I have never heard of Sea shepard stopping a hunt. Maybe hindering it or postponing it but certainly not stopping.

Im not a fan of their methods either.

[Natapoc]

Im over Greenpeace

No matter how dangerous, stupid or however many people are affected by these mongrels, their actions are always portrayed as 'heroic.' Yes, even commiting acts of piracy and ramming other ships, their actions are heroic.

Can you show me a time within the last 15 years where Greenpeace has "ramed" a ship or committed "piracy?"

http://www.icrwhale.org/eng/GPAS2.mpg

http://www.icrwhale.org/collision0.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/jan/02/whaling.activists

*rant time*

I f***ing hate Greenpeace, as well as all the other quasi-environment groups out there who are more interested in gaining political attention for their group (and thus money and influence), than in actually assisting in solving the issues they supposedly support.

It is posers like these that commit such acts of stupidity on a regular basis that end up undermining conservation groups and environmental scientists that are trying to be taken seriously, but end up being viewed in a negative light by various ruling authorities because of the idiot greenie stereotypes promoted by groups like Greenpeace.

Thankfully, it would seem in recent times that people in general are able to differentiate between the eco-morons and the eco-workers and are more willing to go past the hype and actually try and get more info on the environmental issue of interest. But still... while groups such as Greenpeace continue to exist, efforts to solve environmental problems in a rational and effective way will always be hampered by their acts of idiocy.

*end rant*

I'm sorry but your sources are very suspect. www.icrwhale.org is the Japanese organization which is involved in illegal whaling operations. This organization has made all sorts of wild and disproved claims in the past. I can't trust it. Sea Shepherd HAS sunk ships before and the organization is proud of it. Remember what Sea Shepherd is doing is fully legal under international conservation law.

There is a section which allows NGOs to enforce anti whaling regulations and that is the law under which Sea Shepherd and to a much lesser extent Greenpeace operate.

Also please note the errata on the news site you listed:

In the report below, we wrongly suggested that the two environmental organisations concerned - Greenpeace and the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society - had accused each other of endangering lives by trying to ram one another's vessels. In fact, it was the Japanese factory ship and the Sea Shepherd vessel that accused each other of endangering lives, and not Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd.

[Natapoc]

They haven't stopped a whale hunt yet. Then add in the global condemnation and the fact that the vast majority of their supporters are 14 year old girls who love whales but know and understand little of politics.
I don't agree with whaling, I think it should be stopped, but Im not going to impede innocent fishermen who are trying to make a living in the world.

This is totally false. Sea shepherd has stopped whale hunts. It is true that the Japanese kill whales each year but the sea shepherd stops them by several different methods. Watch whale wars to see some examples

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/

Also sea shepherd is here: http://www.seashepherd.org/

fyi I'm a member of sea shepherd (not the crew) and I've seen Paul Watson speak in person. He is awesome. (and I'm not a 14 year old girl... or am I?)

Sorry, but I have never heard of Sea shepard stopping a hunt. Maybe hindering it or postponing it but certainly not stopping.

Im not a fan of their methods either.

Don't hold anything back just because I mentioned I'm a member I won't be offended. I guess stopping has different meanings. They have not ever totally stopped all whaling activities forever but they have saved the lives of individual whales (and groups or pods of whales) and reduced the numbers harvested sometimes by very impressive amounts.

The reason I don't like greenpeace in this way is that they just go and hold sings up. Like that is going to do anything to stop whale slaughtering in an internationally recognized whale sanctuary in violation of the laws of Australia and several international treaties.

[New Dracora]

I'm sorry but your sources are very suspect. http://www.icrwhale.org is the Japanese organization which is involved in illegal whaling operations. This organization has made all sorts of wild and disproved claims in the past. I can't trust it.

I'm well aware of the biased nature of the sources provided: they are intended to be a counter-balance to your own heavily biased links and opinions.

Actually, although it is pretty interesting to get the other side of the story direct from ICR (rather than the usual greenie hype we get drowned in on a regular basis) it is the images of the second link and more importantly the video in the first link that were why I put those in there - they are in response to the statement that Greenpeace had never rammed any vessels - these images and video show overwise.

tl;dr - ICR links as valid as Sea Shepard links. Each as reliable as the other.

Sea Shepherd HAS sunk ships before and the organization is proud of it. Remember what Sea Shepherd is doing is fully legal under international conservation law.

There is a section which allows NGOs to enforce anti whaling regulations and that is the law under which Sea Shepherd and to a much lesser extent Greenpeace operate.

Wait, what? Seriously? And you actually admit to that... wtf man? What about the human rights of the people onboard these ships?

I'm pretty certain that endangering human lives in the name of the world's biggest species of fish-fingers and sushi isn't 'legal'.

Also please note the errata on the news site you listed:

In the report below, we wrongly suggested that the two environmental organisations concerned - Greenpeace and the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society - had accused each other of endangering lives by trying to ram one another's vessels. In fact, it was the Japanese factory ship and the Sea Shepherd vessel that accused each other of endangering lives, and not Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd.

Duly noted - was more meant to highlight the two groups involved in the particular series events whereby the incident highlighted in the two links above occured and was aware of this errata prior to providing the link - which is clearly visible at the top of the article.

edit: attempt at fixing grammerical errors - highly likely some still remain...

[Natapoc]

I'm sorry but your sources are very suspect. http://www.icrwhale.org is the Japanese organization which is involved in illegal whaling operations. This organization has made all sorts of wild and disproved claims in the past. I can't trust it.

I'm well aware of the biased nature of the sources provided: they are intended to be a counter-balance to your own heavily biased links and opinions.

Actually, although it is pretty interesting to get the other side of the story direct from ICR (rather than the usual greenie hype we get drowned in on a regular basis) it is the images of the second link and more importantly the video in the first link that were why I put those in there - they are in response to the statement that Greenpeace had never rammed any vessels - these images and video show overwise.

tl;dr - ICR links as valid as Sea Shepard links. Each as reliable as the other.
edit: attempt at fixing grammerical errors - highly likely some still remain...

I'm just replying to this really quick. I may reply to the other parts soon/later. The problem with the video is that the nature of sea collisions without a third object as a reference point are such that it is difficult (impossible) to tell who rammed whom. If the video had been taken on the Greenpeace ship it would look like the Japanese rammed Greenpeace. If you don't accept this and need further technical explanation for why then I can provide it (from non bias sources )

Please do not confuse the actions of Sea Shepard with the actions of Greenpeace. They are totally different and often opposed groups.

[Natapoc]

Sea Shepherd HAS sunk ships before and the organization is proud of it. Remember what Sea Shepherd is doing is fully legal under international conservation law.

There is a section which allows NGOs to enforce anti whaling regulations and that is the law under which Sea Shepherd and to a much lesser extent Greenpeace operate.

Wait, what? Seriously? And you actually admit to that... wtf man? What about the human rights of the people onboard these ships?

I'm pretty certain that endangering human lives in the name of the world's biggest species of fish-fingers and sushi isn't 'legal'.

First of all calling endangered whales the worlds largest species of "fish fingers and sushi" is simply shocking indifference to the plight of whales. Have you done any research on whales or conservation at all? Whales are not even fish. They are mammals who are probably about as self aware as you are.

No one has died as a result of any sea shepherd action ever. Please contrast this with Coast guard and navy operations for your chosen favored country. Sea shepherd also contrasts with Greenpeace in that sea shepherd is a (non governmental) law enforcement organization and NOT a protest organization.

Actually their actions are fully legal (except for a couple minor incidents of unknown or questionable legality which I'm sure you will quote me from a pro whaling organization)

If they did anything illegal they would be prosecuted and their tax exempt status would be lifted.

[Parthenon]

Gonna be honest, I watch whale wars just to see the japs win. Ecoterrorists need a good ass whooping.

[Natapoc]

Gonna be honest, I watch whale wars just to see the japs win. Ecoterrorists need a good ass whooping.

Parthenon you are simply incredible. You manage to both insult the Japanese with a racial slur and take their side at the same time while engaging in defamation against a conservation group. Amazing.

[RightLeaningChristians]

Gonna be honest, I watch whale wars just to see the japs win. Ecoterrorists need a good ass whooping.

Agreed.

"Oh no, we're taking fire!"

Best part of the show.

[New Dracora]

I'm sorry but your sources are very suspect. http://www.icrwhale.org is the Japanese organization which is involved in illegal whaling operations. This organization has made all sorts of wild and disproved claims in the past. I can't trust it.

I'm well aware of the biased nature of the sources provided: they are intended to be a counter-balance to your own heavily biased links and opinions.

Actually, although it is pretty interesting to get the other side of the story direct from ICR (rather than the usual greenie hype we get drowned in on a regular basis) it is the images of the second link and more importantly the video in the first link that were why I put those in there - they are in response to the statement that Greenpeace had never rammed any vessels - these images and video show overwise.

tl;dr - ICR links as valid as Sea Shepard links. Each as reliable as the other.
edit: attempt at fixing grammerical errors - highly likely some still remain...

I'm just replying to this really quick. I may reply to the other parts soon/later. The problem with the video is that the nature of sea collisions without a third object as a reference point are such that it is difficult (impossible) to tell who rammed whom. If the video had been taken on the Greenpeace ship it would look like the Japanese rammed Greenpeace. If you don't accept this and need further technical explanation for why then I can provide it (from non bias sources )

Please do not confuse the actions of Sea Shepard with the actions of Greenpeace. They are totally different and often opposed groups.

As I said - was in response to an earlier comment about Greenpeace hence their feature role in this video.

Anywho...

I dunno, if you see a big ass whaling ship (that likely has a very poor steering capacity) in front of you and you turn towards it... I'd like to see that info.

[Parthenon]

Gonna be honest, I watch whale wars just to see the japs win. Ecoterrorists need a good ass whooping.

Parthenon you are simply incredible. You manage to both insult the Japanese with a racial slur and take their side at the same time while engaging in defamation against a conservation group. Amazing.

Are you fucking kidding me? Jap isn't a damn racial slur, its a shortening of the word. Do you whine when people use brit as well? Hypocritical econaughts :/

[Natapoc]

Gonna be honest, I watch whale wars just to see the japs win. Ecoterrorists need a good ass whooping.

Parthenon you are simply incredible. You manage to both insult the Japanese with a racial slur and take their side at the same time while engaging in defamation against a conservation group. Amazing.

Are you fucking kidding me? Jap isn't a damn racial slur, its a shortening of the word. Do you whine when people use brit as well? Hypocritical econaughts :/

Jap
  /dʒæp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [jap] Show IPA
–adjective, noun Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
Japanese.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jap

The dictionary, and representatives of Japanese groups strongly disagree with you. The term became offensive during world war two and is now considered a racial slur.

[Parthenon]

Gonna be honest, I watch whale wars just to see the japs win. Ecoterrorists need a good ass whooping.

Parthenon you are simply incredible. You manage to both insult the Japanese with a racial slur and take their side at the same time while engaging in defamation against a conservation group. Amazing.

Are you fucking kidding me? Jap isn't a damn racial slur, its a shortening of the word. Do you whine when people use brit as well? Hypocritical econaughts :/

Jap
  /dʒæp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [jap] Show IPA
–adjective, noun Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
Japanese.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jap

The dictionary, and representatives of Japanese groups strongly disagree with you. The term became offensive during world war two and is now considered a racial slur.

I am going to get some sleep before I show you what a slur really is. Best of luck with your eco fantasies.

[Natapoc]

Gonna be honest, I watch whale wars just to see the japs win. Ecoterrorists need a good ass whooping.

Parthenon you are simply incredible. You manage to both insult the Japanese with a racial slur and take their side at the same time while engaging in defamation against a conservation group. Amazing.

Are you fucking kidding me? Jap isn't a damn racial slur, its a shortening of the word. Do you whine when people use brit as well? Hypocritical econaughts :/

Jap
  /dʒæp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [jap] Show IPA
–adjective, noun Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
Japanese.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jap

The dictionary, and representatives of Japanese groups strongly disagree with you. The term became offensive during world war two and is now considered a racial slur.

I am going to get some sleep before I show you what a slur really is. Best of luck with your eco fantasies.

Good night Parthenon. I hope you have pleasant dreams.

[Natapoc]

I'm sorry but your sources are very suspect. http://www.icrwhale.org is the Japanese organization which is involved in illegal whaling operations. This organization has made all sorts of wild and disproved claims in the past. I can't trust it.

I'm well aware of the biased nature of the sources provided: they are intended to be a counter-balance to your own heavily biased links and opinions.

Actually, although it is pretty interesting to get the other side of the story direct from ICR (rather than the usual greenie hype we get drowned in on a regular basis) it is the images of the second link and more importantly the video in the first link that were why I put those in there - they are in response to the statement that Greenpeace had never rammed any vessels - these images and video show overwise.

tl;dr - ICR links as valid as Sea Shepard links. Each as reliable as the other.
edit: attempt at fixing grammerical errors - highly likely some still remain...

I'm just replying to this really quick. I may reply to the other parts soon/later. The problem with the video is that the nature of sea collisions without a third object as a reference point are such that it is difficult (impossible) to tell who rammed whom. If the video had been taken on the Greenpeace ship it would look like the Japanese rammed Greenpeace. If you don't accept this and need further technical explanation for why then I can provide it (from non bias sources )

Please do not confuse the actions of Sea Shepard with the actions of Greenpeace. They are totally different and often opposed groups.

As I said - was in response to an earlier comment about Greenpeace hence their feature role in this video.

Anywho...

I dunno, if you see a big ass whaling ship (that likely has a very poor steering capacity) in front of you and you turn towards it... I'd like to see that info.

Okay well I am not able to download and watch that video and I don't have the expertise to analyze it properly even if I could so I'll just take your word for it and assume that the person who made the decision willfully violated Greenpeace policy against doing such things.

I'm not sure why they would want to cover that up though. If anything it would increase their membership.

[Natapoc]

By the way I have a shirt that has a list of all the ships sunk/rammed by the sea shepherd (actually I have a couple

Here is the shirt. I know they are difficult to read with this small thumbnail. You can view it on the sea shepherd site.

[Mikoyan-Guryevich]

and that is a good thing is it? Sinking ships and endangering hundreds of human lives is acceptable to save animals?

[Natapoc]

and that is a good thing is it? Sinking ships and endangering hundreds of human lives is acceptable to save animals?

No human lives were endangered during these actions. Sinking boats involved in illegal activity (poaching, ect) is different from hurting people.

[Kobrania]

and that is a good thing is it? Sinking ships and endangering hundreds of human lives is acceptable to save animals?

Uhhh yeah?

We are an over populated species and they are dying out?

Save the planet, Kill a human.

[Mikoyan-Guryevich]

and that is a good thing is it? Sinking ships and endangering hundreds of human lives is acceptable to save animals?

No human lives were endangered during these actions. Sinking boats involved in illegal activity (poaching, ect) is different from hurting people.

How can no human lives be endangered? There are people on boats, no? Sinking boats involved in illegal activity is still illegal. Just like shooting people who commit a small crime, its wrong.