American Beer

[BrightonBurg]

I very rarely drink American Beer. its Bass Ale. for me!

[Lackadaisical2]

I'm certainly no expert but last year my wife gave me a subscription to the Microbrewed Beer of the Month Club. Here is the journal I kept as I drank my way through it over 12 months:

http://sites.google.com/site/jim-in-austin/home/mystuff/beer-frenzy

nice "beer-frenzy" lol. thats how I feel now. Just pouring down the bottles as it were, tryign to get rid of this Octoberfest without tasting it

Also playing all my Irish drinking songs heh.

[Natapoc]

American beer is like condensed urine. Most beers are better.

[Lackadaisical2]

American beer is like condensed urine. Most beers are better.

hey, hey now. Tehres some good American beers, just the cheap/popular ones tend to suck ass hard.

[Smunkeeville]

I'm certainly no expert but last year my wife gave me a subscription to the Microbrewed Beer of the Month Club. Here is the journal I kept as I drank my way through it over 12 months:

http://sites.google.com/site/jim-in-austin/home/mystuff/beer-frenzy

nice "beer-frenzy" lol. thats how I feel now. Just pouring down the bottles as it were, tryign to get rid of this Octoberfest without tasting it

Also playing all my Irish drinking songs heh.

You should use it for cooking.

[Lacadaemon]

I'd have to agree about the Chardonnay. I've had a few and the last one I tried from California was.. just not right. And I find I do generally drink beers from dark bottles, so no problem there.
btw, weren't you saying how the entire economy was going to collapse before? Are you still hedging your bets on that or are you looking towards recovery too?

I think the trouble with a lot of Cal. Chardonnay is that they ferment in steel tanks and finish in barrels which makes them over oaky. In typical US fashion this is sold as 'quality' wherein fact it just renders them undrinkable. Also, I can't tell you the number of times I have had with corked wine in this country. So it comes down to the fact that if it is not moving, it usually isn't worth drinking, unless you are somewhere like the Old Homestead that knows how to look after wine. Your better bet it just seeing what is the best of the fresh new world wines, I.e. recent South africa, NZ, Aus. Chile &c.

I don't deny that the US probably produces some of the best wine in the world (along with Italy), but the logistical problems of getting that from their vineyard to your table without it being horrible is slim to none unless you know someone in the restaurant business who has big turnover and a decent cellar.

Then, you also have to question how much you are getting extra for all those dollars. Sitting around at home, a decent Chile S.Blanc is probably the best thing to pour down your neck right now. Specially since the Gavi's have been disappointing of late. (By my standards, not by the press).

As for your question about the economy. It has collapsed. In Q2 the federal reserve bought 50% of the gov. debt. To date, the fed has monetized 1.1 trillion. Add to that the deficit, and you can see why the figures for economic contraction have been so 'mild'. Until shipping and rail figures improve I'll just assume that we are where I said we should be, financial shennagins notwithstanding. I've not shorted since last Dec tho'. I was long Fins from mar til may. I have been surprised by the strength of the rally. But in retrospect it is understandable.

The real question is whether or not the fed will stop monetizing. If it does then the economy will collapse from a deflationary spiral. If it doesn't then we'll see Zimbabwe. Unfortunately Ben doesn't reply to my emails, so I can't tell you what he is thinking. But any notion of a 'jobless' recovery is as stupid as it sounds considering the amount of consumer debt out there.

[Aaali]

Red Stripe! Hooray Beer!





...oh, you said domestic. *shrugs* Shiner, I guess.

[Zembrill]

Goose Point doesn't make, you know, good beer, per se, but I like what they have. Check out a wheat ale called 312 if you have a chance, it's not bad.

I still prefer Guinness.

[Drachmar]

American beer is like condensed urine. Most beers are better.

hey, hey now. Tehres some good American beers, just the cheap/popular ones tend to suck ass hard.

I haven't found one yet that doesn't give me heartburn.

I'm for a good Murphey's Irish Stout or a Guinness. Is it really beer if you can see through it?

Most Stouts in the U.S. don't cut the mustard....it must be the water or something. Maybe too much molasses. I haven't figured it out.

Lately, I have been settling for lighter beers. Stella Artois is my fave followed by Pilsner Urquell, and Grolsch. I know they're light beer, but they're much better than Heineken. I'm not a fan of U.S. beer btw.

[Zembrill]

Is it really beer if you can see through it?

Actually, yes. Beer is an umbrella term that covers both Ales and Lagers. Something dark like Guinness is an ale, while something light like Miller is a lager. So, from a technical standpoint, yes it is a beer, but no it is not an ale.

[Hairless Kitten II]

Budd isn't American beer anymore.

[Lackadaisical2]

Goose Point doesn't make, you know, good beer, per se, but I like what they have. Check out a wheat ale called 312 if you have a chance, it's not bad.

I still prefer Guinness.

I'm not one for a guinness. I think 312 is the one I liek from goose point? I thought it was goose island.. eh, w/e.

Budd isn't American beer anymore.

Last I heard they kept it the same recipe as it was when it was American Owned, anyway it still tastes like ass mixed with piss, and that being generous.

think the trouble with a lot of Cal. Chardonnay is that they ferment in steel tanks and finish in barrels which makes them over oaky. In typical US fashion this is sold as 'quality' wherein fact it just renders them undrinkable. Also, I can't tell you the number of times I have had with corked wine in this country. So it comes down to the fact that if it is not moving, it usually isn't worth drinking, unless you are somewhere like the Old Homestead that knows how to look after wine. Your better bet it just seeing what is the best of the fresh new world wines, I.e. recent South africa, NZ, Aus. Chile &c.

I don't deny that the US probably produces some of the best wine in the world (along with Italy), but the logistical problems of getting that from their vineyard to your table without it being horrible is slim to none unless you know someone in the restaurant business who has big turnover and a decent cellar.

Then, you also have to question how much you are getting extra for all those dollars. Sitting around at home, a decent Chile S.Blanc is probably the best thing to pour down your neck right now. Specially since the Gavi's have been disappointing of late. (By my standards, not by the press).

As for your question about the economy. It has collapsed. In Q2 the federal reserve bought 50% of the gov. debt. To date, the fed has monetized 1.1 trillion. Add to that the deficit, and you can see why the figures for economic contraction have been so 'mild'. Until shipping and rail figures improve I'll just assume that we are where I said we should be, financial shennagins notwithstanding. I've not shorted since last Dec tho'. I was long Fins from mar til may. I have been surprised by the strength of the rally. But in retrospect it is understandable.

The real question is whether or not the fed will stop monetizing. If it does then the economy will collapse from a deflationary spiral. If it doesn't then we'll see Zimbabwe. Unfortunately Ben doesn't reply to my emails, so I can't tell you what he is thinking. But any notion of a 'jobless' recovery is as stupid as it sounds considering the amount of consumer debt out there.

I wouldn't know so much about wine, so I'll take your word on it. I can see your point about consumer debt(the decline in jobless claims is a bit helpful, but we can still see that employment isn't really rising), however I'm still a bit optimistic about it all, especially since your doom and gloom hasn't appeared yet

[Barzan]

What do people for the US think of domestic beers?

Honestly I think they suck, in most cases. I'd gladly drink Molson or Labatts before taking anything American. I recently tried Budweiser for the first time since I was like 13 due to me moving to another area where Canadian beers are less common. I can drink Miller light, and I rather like Yuengling, but Molson is my fav.

Dude, Molson and Labatt is to Canada what Miller and Budweiser are to America. Is Budweiser really that bad? Oh wait...yeah you're right.

What do people for the US think of domestic beers?

Honestly I think they suck, in most cases. I'd gladly drink Molson or Labatts before taking anything American. I recently tried Budweiser for the first time since I was like 13 due to me moving to another area where Canadian beers are less common. I can drink Miller light, and I rather like Yuengling, but Molson is my fav.

Hey judging US beer by Budweiser is like judging German beer by Bitburger Beck's.

Now the analogy is more accurate.

My husband likes a lot of micro-brews. Budweiser is to American beer as Spam is to Pork chops.

haha, i didn't say it was the best, but apparently its pretty popular, I'd rather just drink water personally. I have tried a bit of beers from smaller breweries, but I find I still prefer my Molson to them. And yes, I find Coors a bit better than Miller, now that I think of it.

Have you tried Yuengling? Also, Sam Adams has many different varieties, you might like one of them.

If you want cheap beer Shiner is okay-ish.

Sam Adams is good. Thankfully the plane I was on last time I flew to the States had that and not only Budweiser or Coors. I'd take Sam Adams over Heiniken too, as the latter is still kinda not that great, yet way better than Budweiser or Molson.

[Zembrill]

Goose Point

I thought it was goose island.. eh, w/e.

You're actually right, "goose point" is from an article I was reading earlier, lol. Got them mixed up.

Edit: now that I think about it, is it Budweiser or Miller that used to (or still do, I forgot) filter their brew through fish bladders? Or someone else entirely? I remember hearing about that recently is all, lol. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was either of those two though.

[Lackadaisical2]

What do people for the US think of domestic beers?

Honestly I think they suck, in most cases. I'd gladly drink Molson or Labatts before taking anything American. I recently tried Budweiser for the first time since I was like 13 due to me moving to another area where Canadian beers are less common. I can drink Miller light, and I rather like Yuengling, but Molson is my fav.

Dude, Molson and Labatt is to Canada what Miller and Budweiser are to America. Is Budweiser really that bad? Oh wait...yeah you're right.

What do people for the US think of domestic beers?

Honestly I think they suck, in most cases. I'd gladly drink Molson or Labatts before taking anything American. I recently tried Budweiser for the first time since I was like 13 due to me moving to another area where Canadian beers are less common. I can drink Miller light, and I rather like Yuengling, but Molson is my fav.

Hey judging US beer by Budweiser is like judging German beer by Bitburger Beck's.

Now the analogy is more accurate.

that makes me want to throw up... I suppose it could be a good practice but knowing that their beer is so shitty, that makes it even worse.

[quote="Smunkeeville wrote:

My husband likes a lot of micro-brews. Budweiser is to American beer as Spam is to Pork chops.

haha, i didn't say it was the best, but apparently its pretty popular, I'd rather just drink water personally. I have tried a bit of beers from smaller breweries, but I find I still prefer my Molson to them. And yes, I find Coors a bit better than Miller, now that I think of it.

Have you tried Yuengling? Also, Sam Adams has many different varieties, you might like one of them.

If you want cheap beer Shiner is okay-ish.

Sam Adams is good. Thankfully the plane I was on last time I flew to the States had that and not only Budweiser or Coors. I'd take Sam Adams over Heiniken too, as the latter is still kinda not that great, yet way better than Budweiser or Molson.[/quote]

I don't know I rather like Molson... But I'd agree that Heiniken is shitty, another beer that I don't know why people like...

[Lacadaemon]

I wouldn't know so much about wine, so I'll take your word on it. I can see your point about consumer debt(the decline in jobless claims is a bit helpful, but we can still see that employment isn't really rising), however I'm still a bit optimistic about it all, especially since your doom and gloom hasn't appeared yet

Jobless claims are declining because people are falling off the rolls (or extending benefits), not because they are getting jobs.

Things seem better because the Fed is flooding the primary dealers with liquidity which they then use to speculate on risky assets. Once the liquidity gets cleaned out (when china's MBS are swapped for Treasurys and the MBS can be defaulted on) then the game will stop. Might be next year, might be tomorrow. But to think that there is anything like economic recovery in this country is insane.

[Ryadn]

Another "all American beer sucks because once I drank a Budweiser and it sucked, and everyone knows it's the only beer sold in America (even though it's not American-owned anymore)" thread. Awesome. Let's pretend we argued good-naturedly for a few pages, I posted links to some of my favorite local brews like Buffalo Bill's and Trumer Brauerei, you countered that X equally obscure regional beer was superior simply because it's European, and we agreed to disagree.

[Lacadaemon]

Another "all American beer sucks because once I drank a Budweiser and it sucked, and everyone knows it's the only beer sold in America (even though it's not American-owned anymore)" thread. Awesome. Let's pretend we argued good-naturedly for a few pages, I posted links to some of my favorite local brews like Buffalo Bill's and Trumer Brauerei, you countered that X equally obscure regional beer was superior simply because it's European, and we agreed to disagree.

Well that's really not the point though. I've no doubt that there is somewhere in the US where there is good beer, but you just can't find it easily. It doesn't have the tradition and culture that lends itself to that sort of thing, unlike the UK where good beer is relatively common.

But as I pointed out, you can't really get good coffee in the UK. Probably for much the same reason. Not that there is no good coffee in the UK. It's just not somewhere you'd go and look for it.

[Ryadn]

Another "all American beer sucks because once I drank a Budweiser and it sucked, and everyone knows it's the only beer sold in America (even though it's not American-owned anymore)" thread. Awesome. Let's pretend we argued good-naturedly for a few pages, I posted links to some of my favorite local brews like Buffalo Bill's and Trumer Brauerei, you countered that X equally obscure regional beer was superior simply because it's European, and we agreed to disagree.

Well that's really not the point though. I've no doubt that there is somewhere in the US where there is good beer, but you just can't find it easily. It doesn't have the tradition and culture that lends itself to that sort of thing, unlike the UK where good beer is relatively common.

But as I pointed out, you can't really get good coffee in the UK. Probably for much the same reason. Not that there is no good coffee in the UK. It's just not somewhere you'd go and look for it.

That would make more sense if beer wasn't popular in the U.S. because something else was drunk more often, as in the case of coffee and tea in the U.K., but I'm pretty sure beer is the alcoholic beverage of choice in the U.S. Maybe it's small potatoes compared to, like, our kickass soda industry?

[Lacadaemon]

That would make more sense if beer wasn't popular in the U.S. because something else was drunk more often, as in the case of coffee and tea in the U.K., but I'm pretty sure beer is the alcoholic beverage of choice in the U.S. Maybe it's small potatoes compared to, like, our kickass soda industry?

No: it's really more that you have shit beer and don't know it. Like wine in the UK for many years.

Also, your soda is, in fact, vile. So that really isn't a benchmark, is it?

[Hairless Kitten II]

Another "all American beer sucks because once I drank a Budweiser and it sucked, and everyone knows it's the only beer sold in America (even though it's not American-owned anymore)" thread. Awesome. Let's pretend we argued good-naturedly for a few pages, I posted links to some of my favorite local brews like Buffalo Bill's and Trumer Brauerei, you countered that X equally obscure regional beer was superior simply because it's European, and we agreed to disagree.

Well that's really not the point though. I've no doubt that there is somewhere in the US where there is good beer, but you just can't find it easily. It doesn't have the tradition and culture that lends itself to that sort of thing, unlike the UK where good beer is relatively common.

But as I pointed out, you can't really get good coffee in the UK. Probably for much the same reason. Not that there is no good coffee in the UK. It's just not somewhere you'd go and look for it.

??? Wahahaha! Uk doesn't have good beer.

[Lackadaisical2]

Another "all American beer sucks because once I drank a Budweiser and it sucked, and everyone knows it's the only beer sold in America (even though it's not American-owned anymore)" thread. Awesome. Let's pretend we argued good-naturedly for a few pages, I posted links to some of my favorite local brews like Buffalo Bill's and Trumer Brauerei, you countered that X equally obscure regional beer was superior simply because it's European, and we agreed to disagree.

ok... thats not even close to what happened. I came right out and said I liked a few American beers, but that ok. I'm sure this topic has been done to death too. Of course, everyone will have different tastes, so its a bit hard to argue ont hose points, and not everything is available everywhere. Also, I honestly can't thin of a European beer I like better than some of the American I've had, although I haven't had much experience in European beer, jsut what they export to America.

Jobless claims are declining because people are falling off the rolls (or extending benefits), not because they are getting jobs.

Things seem better because the Fed is flooding the primary dealers with liquidity which they then use to speculate on risky assets. Once the liquidity gets cleaned out (when china's MBS are swapped for Treasurys and the MBS can be defaulted on) then the game will stop. Might be next year, might be tomorrow. But to think that there is anything like economic recovery in this country is insane.

I thought I acknowledged that employment isn't rising... but yeah, I agree that we likely won't see what was considered the "normal" US economy, as it was really just inflated by borrowing anyway.

[Lacadaemon]

??? Wahahaha! Uk doesn't have good beer.

Best beer in the world mate. And seafood. Sorry you can't see that.

[Lackadaisical2]

??? Wahahaha! Uk doesn't have good beer.

Best beer in the world mate. And seafood. Sorry you can't see that.

I can see that this thread is going to be an international smack down now...

[Ryadn]

That would make more sense if beer wasn't popular in the U.S. because something else was drunk more often, as in the case of coffee and tea in the U.K., but I'm pretty sure beer is the alcoholic beverage of choice in the U.S. Maybe it's small potatoes compared to, like, our kickass soda industry?

No: it's really more that you have shit beer and don't know it. Like wine in the UK for many years.

Also, your soda is, in fact, vile. So that really isn't a benchmark, is it?

Okay, so why can't you find good coffee in the U.K.? Just 'because'? I assumed there was a reason. Like... tea is more popular, so the coffee industry isn't as strong. Are you saying there's no reason for it whatsoever? As for wine, I'd imagine climate plays quite a role in that, doesn't it?

I wasn't actually saying our sodas were great, I was trying to think of something that would be more popular than beer and thus have a stronger industry. But good to know you don't like our sodas. I hope no one's forcing you to drink them.