Bullying, damaging or helpful?

[The Southern Dictators]

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For what? He did jack shit.

Seems like flame baiting.

[The Southern Dictators]

Tell you what. If you're going to put up your own opinion then tell us you shouldn't bother listening to ours, why don't you spare everyone the annoyance and GTFO?

Off topic, both of you. Reel it in before the mods shut this down.

Isn't he flame baiting ? [Kazorgkai]. Saying those that killed themselves are wealkings and pitiful when another user posted how they lost 12 friends to bullying.

[The UK in Exile]

SERIOUSLY?!? WHO ARE YOU KIDDING?? Kids, at such young ages, know nothing of what capitalism is. They don't learn that until high school, so while your argument would make sense when talking about 16-18 year olds...how the FRAK does it measure up to kids 5-8 years old?

It doesn't matter if they know what it is or isn't. They emulate what they see in society. Watch a movie or read a book, almost all of them have some reference to economics. Often the bad guy in kids movies is some rich guy, but he has a lot of power. Kids see this as if they become the bad guy they will be powerful. Simple logic really.

or that if your are powerful you become bad.....

[The UK in Exile]

or that if your are powerful you become bad.....

Not necessarily as the president is still viewed as good but kids know that he is incredibly powerful.

not all bad guys in films are powerful.

therefore kids will see that movies are often confusing, unrealistic and contradictory, they shouldn't try and draw overarching conclusions from it.

which is valueable lesson to learn.

[The UK in Exile]

not all bad guys in films are powerful.

therefore kids will see that movies are often confusing, unrealistic and contradictory, they shouldn't try and draw overarching conclusions from it.

which is valuable lesson to learn.

You would be surprised. While not all bad guys are powerful the majority(looking at you Disney) are powerful. Those that are just average joes are the minority. Kids take the majority as an example. Though shows such as Arthur do have characters that are bullies show a softer side, Binky Barnes is such an example. If this were type of portrayal was used more often then what Disney does then bullying would most likely recede.

the most likely result is that people would stop watching disney films.

[The UK in Exile]

At least you qualified it as an opinion.

You're wrong of course:
http://www.livescience.com/6032-studies ... ected.html
http://psychcentral.com/news/2010/02/03 ... 11191.html

Some do bring it on themselves, some. As an example, the psycho who always hogs the ball and is totally useless at the sport in question and when asked to pass the ball abuses his team-mates. They are asking to be bullied, but, then, they are a psycho.

but their the bully....

so I guess its ok to bully bullies?

[The UK in Exile]

I can already tell you how it worked out.....IT DIDN'T. I got a black eye for three weeks after standing up to a bully....he wasn't even bruised.

YOU DID NOT TRY HARD ENOUGH

TAKE DRUGS. KILL A BEAR.

[Tmutarakhan]

Bite and choke her on the neck? Granted, I do wish I could kill all those who stood in my way, but this isn't the jungle here.

life is a jungle when you are a loner and have to fend for yourself.

You have been very badly injured too, just in a different way.

[Trollgaard]

Its both damaging and helpful.

There's a point where it gets out of line, but in general bullying is fine-ish. It makes tougher people, ready to face the real world, not sheltered little twits who can't function in society.

[Trollgaard]

Its both damaging and helpful.

There's a point where it gets out of line, but in general bullying is fine-ish. It makes tougher people, ready to face the real world, not sheltered little twits who can't function in society.

I wasn't a sheltered little twit who wouldn't function, I was happy and free, and a lot of people were really normal, but some people, maybe they were a little overweight, or short, but socially average and generally content [Though obviously sensitive of their weaknesses, which is highly reasonable], got hammered on, it was painful to watch, and sometimes [Though regretfully not always], We'd defend them, they were a good people, I knew one guy who was an amazing artist, great grades, but was asexual, picked on all the time for JUST that, and that alone, which to me makes no sense, gay maybe, some people are assholes, but someone who has no preference? Really?

There is no such thing as general bullying. No one person likes being picked on for imperfections in their being, its even harder with girls sometimes, because we tend to have more insecurities which bullies pick up on, and with things such as Facebook and twitter where people socialize, bullying can go to levels beyond, but I assume that's what you address as "Out of line", but it always is. Bullying is not acceptable, most agree, some partially such as you, and others not at all, which saddens me, because when is it ever okay? Whats wrong with who you are? Nothing, nothing at all. [Unless you do indeed have something medically differentiating from the majority, making you different in some way. Still, picking on them for it isn't acceptable, they cant help it, its not their fault]

People will find any reason to pick on others, especially kids. Everyone has been bullied, and has bullied others, to a certain degree. I was mildly bullied, and I mildly bullied a few kids- it was a give and take thing.

I view bullying a rite of passage children go through. It makes them able to handle their shit, and as mentioned earlier seems to determine people's place in the pecking order in a weird way.

[Trollgaard]

The bully is there to test your resolve. To be what you are means to have the resolve and guts to be it. If you don't have what it takes to stand up against the bully and make him bugger the hell off of you, then you will obviously be his bottom bitch and frankly don't deserve better either.

The bully's purpose is to make you fear him, and the only way you can avoid that is make him fear you, at least to a degree that convinces him to seek for easier prey. Never ever let someone humiliate you unchallenged, even if it means violence. Flesh wounds eventually heal, but pride wounds never do. More often than not, standing up against bullies ended... well, painfully for me, but it was the consistency with which I continued to strike back when struck eventually convinced them to seek more defenseless victims.

And you don't see anything wrong with them simply moving on to do the same thing to someone else? They're obviously the ones with the problem, and as such, corrective action must be taken by authority figures. I don't care what, as long as it keeps them from pointlessly harassing anyone else. By changing who you are, by meeting the bullies' violence with violence, you are stooping to their level, and you have lost.

What a bunch of shit. Are you advocating pacifism and nonviolence? Pfft. Ridiculous. Violence is the greatest problem solver in history.

And if you hate bullies so much then you should have problem with them being put in their place.

[Trollgaard]

People will find any reason to pick on others, especially kids. Everyone has been bullied, and has bullied others, to a certain degree. I was mildly bullied, and I mildly bullied a few kids- it was a give and take thing.

I view bullying a rite of passage children go through. It makes them able to handle their shit, and as mentioned earlier seems to determine people's place in the pecking order in a weird way.

Rite of passage? Pecking order? I haven't been bullied in school extensively, yet I can still defend myself. What, people can't live their lives without being bullied, in order to seperate who is 'wimpy' and 'not wimpy'?

Sure they can, but everyone gets bullied to some degree.

[Trollgaard]

Sure they can, but everyone gets bullied to some degree.

Bullying is systemic, malignant, and deliberate.
I think you're getting bullying confused with intermittent teasing.

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

[Trollgaard]

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

Have YOU ever been a long term bully victim?

Not really, as I have a temper, and after a day or two I'd get into a fight and that would end the matter.

[Trollgaard]

Hmm, possibly a little bit. Anyways I really don't think bullying is that much of an issue. Maybe if I have a child that is bullied, but until then meh. Man up and deal it. Grin and bear it.

Classic adult behavior. "Until it actually effects me in some way it doesn't matter".
You make me sick.
NOTE: I don't think all adults believe this. Those who do, however, seem to be in the majority.

Why don't you go throw up about then?

[Trollgaard]

Not really, as I have a temper, and after a day or two I'd get into a fight and that would end the matter.

You really haven't experienced true bullying.

It hurts.

To the core.

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

[Trollgaard]

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

I'm actually in the same predicament as you. Reacting to injustice with anger, anger, and more anger.

Being mad doesn't hurt you? I mean, sometimes it's cathartic, but when it's directed towards a person or group of people to the point where you actively wish harm on them?

I think being mad is better than being sad, and less damaging. Is being angry damaging to you? I honestly have no idea, nor do I care. I prefer to be angry to being sad.

[Trollgaard]

Probably, but why not get mad instead of sad about it? I've never understood why some people always get sad/scared/depressed about situations like that. I always get mad. Very mad. Maybe I'm just odd though.

I got mad. Very mad. Then, that night, and that weekend, when I didn't have to deal with it and I calmed down, I got depressed. Then it got so bad I got depressed while it was going on. Anger doesn't last. It's like a fire. You can try and keep it going and keep warm all you want, but eventually it will run out, and when it does you get cold - sad.

Well, that's all the more reason to use the fire while you it have to do something about your situation.

[Trollgaard]

Well, that's all the more reason to use the fire while you have to do something about your situation.

Or you could figure out how to deal with the cold, or hold it off in another way. Keep the fire under control. It's fine to be angry. Just try not to show it. Because if it gets out of hand then it'll change from a campfire to a forest fire.

Why would you want to do that?

[Trollgaard]

Why would you want to do that?

Yeah, the Columbine Massacre worked out real well.

Pfft.

Use your fists. And your elbows, knees, feet, forehead, teeth, maybe some bats if you want. Worked for me.

[Trollgaard]

Pfft.

Use your fists. And your elbows, knees, feet, forehead, teeth, maybe some bats if you want. Worked for me.

Did it worked for you when you were applying for a job?

Oh, it only worked in fighting bullies and has no real world applications. Fancy that.

Hmm, I do think the mental aspect of knowing how to fight, and being willing to fight is a bonus. Self esteem and all that. Its also nice to know how to fight if you are mugged, or are in a bar fight, or some other similar incident.

[Trollgaard]

Pfft.

Use your fists. And your elbows, knees, feet, forehead, teeth, maybe some bats if you want. Worked for me.

Well, I'm sure that won't spiral into a destructive cycle of repetitive physical violence.
And I'm equally sure all of the victims of bullies are fully capable of fighting off their more numerous, more physically dominant bullies. *nods*

Awesome then! Fist fights are better than gunfights.

[Trollgaard]

Awesome then! Fist fights are better than gunfights.

YEAH! VIGILANTE JUSTICE! MOB RULE!
How about...no? How about we not encourage a system that serves only to destroy in a social Darwinistic convulsion?

I'm not advocating that. I'm saying that if children weren't discouraged from schoolyard fights to extent that they are expelled or something from school they wouldn't resort to guns after years of abuse. They could have stopped shit when it started by getting into a few fights in elementary and middle school, with a few maybe thrown in during high school. Nothing bad about a few fights here and there.

[Trollgaard]

As for pretentiousness, Oh well. Whatcha gonna do about it?

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For what? He did jack shit.

[Trollgaard]

I'm not advocating that. I'm saying that if children weren't discouraged from schoolyard fights to extent that they are expelled or something from school they wouldn't resort to guns after years of abuse. They could have stopped shit when it started by getting into a few fights in elementary and middle school, with a few maybe thrown in during high school. Nothing bad about a few fights here and there.

Yes, yes there is something wrong with advocating systemic violence in childhood. Especially as a system that promotes that causes long term damages to the entire group of children. Turns out, teaching people that violence = problem solver makes them use more violence. Which is bad.

Not in my book.