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Postby Hossaim » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:07 pm

The Akkadian Empire wrote:
Hossaim wrote:The Big Bang.

1+2 doesn't equal 12. Get the fuck over it.

The Big Bang created my testicles? Really?

Hey, without looking anything up on Wikipedia or Google, describe in detail how the Big Bang worked, step by step, and how it came to making "Homo Sapiens" like you or me?

No? You can't? You don't fully understand that which you so believe in? To the full degree?

Neither do I. So, maybe you can keep that "Get the fuck over it" to yourself?

I trust science over random books written by hermits.
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Postby Fedeledland » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:07 pm

Hossaim wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:How do we not know that God created evolution

How do we not know 1+2 = 12?
How do we not know that moving our thumbs actually causes us to all die
How do we not know we only suffer because we say the world "it" and "pie" in vaious forms of dialect.
How do we know there isn't a magical flying unicorn going around peeing on people and we call it rain?

We shouldn't live our lives on "how do we not know's".

This and that for the 4th or 5th time Christians have the burden of proof, not us. YOU have to show us God exiata, not us disprove that.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:07 pm

Caninope wrote:...

That's the point of faith.

Er, the point of faith is accepting something without any supporting evidence.

Which doesn't really hold up in an argument.
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:07 pm

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And really, I should be making my own lists but I'm too lazy. I just have a kind of hazy list in my mind of "people I don't really like".


You're on it.

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Postby Renascibilitas » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 pm

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If you want to stop a murderer start with the Pope.

Explain please.


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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 pm

The Akkadian Empire wrote:The Big Bang created my testicles? Really?

Hey, without looking anything up on Wikipedia or Google, describe in detail how the Big Bang worked, step by step, and how it came to making "Homo Sapiens" like you or me?

No? You can't? You don't fully understand that which you so believe in? To the full degree?

Neither do I. So, maybe you can keep that "Get the fuck over it" to yourself?


Universe was a singularity, it expanded rapidly according to the Inflationary Universe model, stars began to form as well as galaxies, our sun formed from a disk of nebular gas, as did the planets, life began with RNA in hydrothermal vents, evolution happened, yadda yadda yadda, then Homo sapiens came about.
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Postby Rupudska » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 pm

Renascibilitas wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Kony should be stopped unlike any other murderer but I don't support the organization that made the campaign.


If you want to stop a murderer start with the Pope.


You know, the Pope is starting to become the Hi[Godwin'd] of religious discussions.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 pm

The Akkadian Empire wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Which is admitting you have no evidence, which means you forfeit. I win by default. Once again, GG.

So you have evidence that the "Big Bang" wasn't created by God, and you fully understand and know how it worked and formed everything leading up to Homo Sapiens and beyond?

No, again, you don't. Yet you seem to have faith in science then in God.

You don't win anything except your attempts at ruining other peoples days, good job, you must be proud.

The faith in science line? Really? You must be desperate.

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 pm

Finium wrote:It's simple,

Christianity is the blind belief in something we have no proof for
Atheism is the blind disbelief in something we have no proof against

I prefer the more proactive side, cause if I die as a Christian and it not true I havent lost anything, but if I'm an atheist and Christianity is true, then wow am I screwed

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 pm

Rupudska wrote:
Renascibilitas wrote:
If you want to stop a murderer start with the Pope.


You know, the Pope is starting to become the Hi[Godwin'd] of religious discussions.

This pleases me.

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Postby Drouga » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:08 pm

Finium wrote:It's simple,

Christianity is the blind belief in something we have no proof for
Atheism is the blind disbelief in something we have no proof against

I prefer the more proactive side, cause if I die as a Christian and it not true I havent lost anything, but if I'm an atheist and Christianity is true, then wow am I screwed


Unless one of the thousands of other religions(most older than Christianity) in the world turn out to be true. Then you're screwed either way.

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Postby Wisconsin7 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:09 pm

Hossaim wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:How do we not know that God created evolution

How do we not know 1+2 = 12?
How do we not know that moving our thumbs actually causes us to all die
How do we not know we only suffer because we say the world "it" and "pie" in vaious forms of dialect.
How do we know there isn't a magical flying unicorn going around peeing on people and we call it rain?

We shouldn't live our lives on "how do we not know's".

If 1+2=3, and 3*1=/=12, then logically, 1+2=/=12.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:09 pm

Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
Ende wrote:
You're on it.



You and CM are on mine as well, as well the Cummunist State, Ragnarsdomr, Evraim, Ende as mentioned above, and... I'll keep thinking.

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Postby The Akkadian Empire » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:09 pm

Finium wrote:It's simple,

Christianity is the blind belief in something we have no proof for
Atheism is the blind disbelief in something we have no proof against

I prefer the more proactive side, cause if I die as a Christian and it not true I havent lost anything, but if I'm an atheist and Christianity is true, then wow am I screwed

That is a somewhat sensible comment that I somewhat agree with. Note, I don't follow Christianity just so I can be saved from the fires of damnation.

It is just about the same principle, I forgot who came up with, that states:
If I do not believe in God and I have lived a Good life, then I will go to heaven
If I do not believe in God and I have lived an Evil life, then I will go to hell
If I believe in God and I have lived a Good life, I will go to heaven
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Postby Cu Math » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:09 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Vaklor wrote:no, created by the dudes ballsack

which was created by... guess the answer.

Nope. Crafted by evolution of the hemipenis, which came from sexual reproduction, which evolved from plasmid exchange, which came from dna pockets floating in primordial ooze, which came from RNA floating in ooze, which was begotten by amino acid formation, which was begotten by pressure influencing nitrogenous bases, which was caused by them having electronegativity, which was caused by the composition of their atoms, which was caused by the makeup of their particles, which was caused by their quark bonding, which was caused by their flavors, which was caused by their makeup in the standard model, caused by the interactions of bosons, caused by antimatter-matter interactions, caused by the four universal forces, caused by the Alpha force,caused by superstrings interacting in microspace along with dark energy, caused by brane collision at the beginning of the big bang, caused by singularity formation in nothingness, caused by the fact that time and space exist in sheets, caused by the fact that the universe is infinite and formed by another universe, formed by the fact that shit randomly happens in the event horizon
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Postby Fedeledland » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:09 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Finium wrote:It's simple,

Christianity is the blind belief in something we have no proof for
Atheism is the blind disbelief in something we have no proof against

I prefer the more proactive side, cause if I die as a Christian and it not true I havent lost anything, but if I'm an atheist and Christianity is true, then wow am I screwed

Agreed, there are many unknowns on this Earth, physics can't prove everything

But with enough study science in general can.
Oh, and it proves more than religion does.
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Postby Vaklor » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Finium wrote:It's simple,

Christianity is the blind belief in something we have no proof for
Atheism is the blind disbelief in something we have no proof against

I prefer the more proactive side, cause if I die as a Christian and it not true I havent lost anything, but if I'm an atheist and Christianity is true, then wow am I screwed

except youve lost your free will, dignity, intelligence, etc.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Drouga wrote:
Finium wrote:It's simple,

Christianity is the blind belief in something we have no proof for
Atheism is the blind disbelief in something we have no proof against

I prefer the more proactive side, cause if I die as a Christian and it not true I havent lost anything, but if I'm an atheist and Christianity is true, then wow am I screwed


Unless one of the thousands of other religions(most older than Christianity) in the world turn out to be true. Then you're screwed either way.

But at least I don't hate all religions, so I'm less screwed than the atheist who hates that religion.
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Postby Hossaim » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Finium wrote:It's simple,

Christianity is the blind belief in something we have no proof for
Atheism is the blind disbelief in something we have no proof against

I prefer the more proactive side, cause if I die as a Christian and it not true I havent lost anything, but if I'm an atheist and Christianity is true, then wow am I screwed

Agreed, there are many unknowns on this Earth, physics can't prove everything

Atheism is far more logical tough. Can you be certain? No. Can you be 99.99999999999999% sure? Yes.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

The Akkadian Empire wrote:So you have evidence that the "Big Bang" wasn't created by God, and you fully understand and know how it worked and formed everything leading up to Homo Sapiens and beyond?

Never said that. There is no evidence God exists. Unlike you, I can admit that I DO NOT KNOW. Here's the thing: I don't pretend to know by inserting something that I have no evidence for. I just explained events from the formation of the universe to humans.
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Postby Renascibilitas » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Rupudska wrote:
Renascibilitas wrote:
If you want to stop a murderer start with the Pope.


You know, the Pope is starting to become the Hi[Godwin'd] of religious discussions.


I don't care for anything like that. The Pope and the church have done nothing good for society. The Vatican has their expensive palaces and buildings, the Pope has his fine-tailored red shoes and mitre. Meanwhile people are suffering because of what they've said.
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Postby Caninope » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:First, learning about the operation of a universe that came before this one would have huge effects on theories on the universe/multiverse.

That would assume the physics of the previous universe to be similar, assuming we ever have any way of discovering the physics of the previous universe.


Interesting. As best I can tell (from a quick glance), that will only will look into the echoes of the Big Bang, but I might stand corrected. Go astrophysics.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Hossaim wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Agreed, there are many unknowns on this Earth, physics can't prove everything

Atheism is far more logical tough. Can you be certain? No. Can you be 99.99999999999999% sure? Yes.

How is it logical?
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jerusalem and Damascus wrote:
You and CM are on mine as well, as well the Cummunist State, Ragnarsdomr, Evraim, Ende as mentioned above, and... I'll keep thinking.

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Postby Fedeledland » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Finium wrote:It's simple,

Christianity is the blind belief in something we have no proof for
Atheism is the blind disbelief in something we have no proof against

I prefer the more proactive side, cause if I die as a Christian and it not true I havent lost anything, but if I'm an atheist and Christianity is true, then wow am I screwed

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