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Forsher wrote:

Wiztopia wrote:
Apparently sunburn and frostbite don't exist.



I was tired so I was mostly thinking of private schools. The issue is that they do not do anything for the students themselves.

I'd use a smiley but I hat them. Pay attaention to the word only...

You obviously didn't read what else I said.

Cill Charthaigh wrote:Alternative to school uniforms concerning the intruder "advantage": School ID. They have your name and picture on it. My school has them.

Unless you wear them around your neck...

Wiztopia wrote:

Forsher wrote:
I'd use a smiley but I hat them. Pay attaention to the word only...

You obviously didn't read what else I said.

Why should I?

It always seems like the debate is either one extreme - school uniforms - or the other - let kids wear torn jeans and Budweiser T-shirts if they want (yes, I am exaggerating. I couldn't wear Budweiser T-shirts to school but could wear, say, a Coca-Cola or Taco Bell T-shirt.)

At my high school, the dress code was pretty lenient, and people had sense. A school uniform was totally and completely unnecessary because we had sense.

That said, the other reason I oppose school uniforms is because few jobs have uniforms. Few jobs we want to prepare people for, anyway.

Dress codes, however, are at most employers, and high schools shouldn't shy away from using them in a similar way that employers do. No sneakers, no jeans, and collared shirts for the men, and my brain hurts thinking of an equivalent for the women. Exceptions can be made for special events (if a big-shot visits, dress super-nice, and on Fridays, dress down, for example) but a middle-of-the-road solution is appropriate. Frankly, more real-world stuff needs to be put in schools, too, so a real-world dress code is just the beginning.

Cill Charthaigh wrote:Alternative to school uniforms concerning the intruder "advantage": School ID. They have your name and picture on it. My school has them.

I fail to see how that's a viable alternative when it comes to quickly identifying an outsider.

Forsher wrote:

Wiztopia wrote:

You obviously didn't read what else I said.

Why should I?

Put down the Foster's please.

I'm on the fence with uniforms. On the one hand, teenagers rarely express themselves through clothing. Most don't make or even buy their own clothes, their choices are subject to parental income and approval, and they're more susceptible to advertising and peer pressure. Bullying may also be an issue that uniforms could help with, albeit only in a very small way.

On the other hand, there is so much wrong with the US school system now, I feel like our attention would be better focused elsewhere. I've seen college undergraduates who don't know how to take an average value. That's just my country though, I know there are lot of durn foreigners on this here interweb thingamajiggy.

I think they are a good thing.

Camranland wrote:I think they are a good thing.

Do you have a primary source proving they are a good thing?

It doesn't really bother me either way. I don't really think the anyone should have the authority to mandate dress codes of any sort because it really isn't anyone's business what people are wearing. Assuming that someone has the authority, school uniforms just make differences between students more subtle. It doesn't get rid of social pressure to look a certain way; it just encourages students to get more creative with their differences. Uniform fashion requires students to be more socially astute to keep up with the trends.

There are several arguments for and against the subject. I personally do not stand on a particular side.

Divair wrote:

Camranland wrote:I think they are a good thing.

Do you have a primary source proving they are a good thing?

Yes, his own opinion. Which is all anyone person needs for themselves. If you want someone to change your opinion on it then you're SoL.

I always like it when I stumble across a thread like this on the internet. There will be two postions, closely matched, divided mostly like this:

Group A: Has never tried the proposal and disagrees with it.

Group B: HAS tried the proposal and agrees with it.

I then rev my massive gear-driven grinding intellect into motion and try to decide which group I should pay more attention to; the group that hasn't tried it or the group that has tried it.

I think I usually come to the right deciscion.

Well, I had both sides of the medal during my time in school and honestly I prefer uniforms.
People associate with one another even if you don´t know each other, you don´t have to care about clothes and everall it gives you the feeling
being part of something bigger than you, wich some people need.

Me personally though, I just like the look of it. The aformentioned benefits are just that additional benefits.

Hittanryan wrote:I'm on the fence with uniforms. On the one hand, teenagers rarely express themselves through clothing. Most don't make or even buy their own clothes, their choices are subject to parental income and approval, and they're more susceptible to advertising and peer pressure. Bullying may also be an issue that uniforms could help with, albeit only in a very small way.

On the other hand, there is so much wrong with the US school system now, I feel like our attention would be better focused elsewhere. I've seen college undergraduates who don't know how to take an average value. That's just my country though, I know there are lot of durn foreigners on this here interweb thingamajiggy.

I am a teenager and i buy my own clothes! Anyway, i don't like school uniforms cause no one can tell whos who in my school any more. we pretty much had a riot in luch because of them.

The god of awesome wrote:

Venolia wrote:Why does this matter?

Who cares if there is a uniform, or not?

well, some psyciatrists say that uniforms help kids think. it really, in my oppinion, doesn't. i get strait a's and pretty much everyone else in my school oes to.

You're a psychiatrist? Or do you do this to your doctors too?

"I really don't think you should take antibiotics because it won't cure your flu."

"I GET STRAIT As N I R SMARTAR LOLZ SO MY OPINION IS RITE."

Holy zombie Batman, it's a gravedig.

School uniforms are good.

Individuality is seriously overrated.

I like only uniforms in Anime, Manga and all those Japanese stuffs, they all just... arouse me...

Fricken gravedigs. The thread died, let it rest in peace.

I'd support them. "Free Choice" of clothing allows the rich students to oppress the poor by making wearing inexpensive clothes "uncool", it further augments the creation of cliques, which is already a bad thing, caters to a corrupt industry that relies on manipulation, slave labor and product placement, and it provides no real benefit. While freedom of expression is important, you can still state your opinions, and schools already ban many forms of "expression". Uniforms would help to close the gap between rich and poor, discorage cliques and "circles" from forming or excluding others, and so on. They would further serve to re-enforce that school is for learning and nothing else. It would also eliminate the highly annoying "School Spirt" trend.

I'd also say this isn't far enough. School Sports, Prom, Homecoming and dances in general should be banned. School is for learning, not fucking off and creating an oppressive and distorted social hierarchy to punish people for being different.

I don't think school uniforms are a good idea. It limits freedom of expression and creativity. Many poor families are in favor due to lack of money. School uniforms mean less money spent on clothing for their children throughout the year. But I think kids should be able to wear what they like as long as it is appropriate.

Nahgallay wrote:I don't think school uniforms are a good idea. It limits freedom of expression and creativity. Many poor families are in favor due to lack of money. School uniforms mean less money spent on clothing for their children throughout the year. But I think kids should be able to wear what they like as long as it is appropriate.

You can still express yourself with words and drawings, and how often have you actually seen REAL creativity? Most kids just follow stupid trends like blind monkeys, wearing what their favorite rappers tell them to and so on. Having uniforms would foster creativity in fact, because it would force the students to find other ways of expressing themselves, like art.

And how is helping the Poor a bad thing?

Stop posting in this thread, its dead, you are mutilating its body by posting here.

Van Dalia wrote:Completely unnecessary, no reason to waste time mandating them.

Really? What about a kid feeling out of place because his clothes are shit and everybody else's clothes are nice or nicer?