Your opinion on homosexuality?

[Holy Windmill Empire]

Camps easier to type.

So you use a term we find offensive because it's easier to type? Fine. Bible Thumper. Easier to spell that Stupid Christian.

How is it offensive, people find everything offensive these days.

[Batuni]

However, the way I see it, there is enough doubt about whether or not God prohibited it that it is safer to stay far away from it. After all, the only force towards it is lust, which can be easily ignored by one's more advanced consciousness, relative to our "old brain", the more instinctual animal one, which generally defines our baser drives.

The same could be said for childless, heterosexual relationships.
And please, define 'baser drives.'

I know full well that I could be gay (or more accurately, lesbian) and I would be plenty comfortable in a relationship with a woman, since I tend to be fairly manly. I could certainly psychologically evoke feelings of lust for either sex. But I have chosen to be straight and spend my time with one partner because that's the most efficient way to go about life. For one matter, it streamlines genetic reproduction. For another, it encourages relatively clean sexual intimacy.

Straight folks sleep around too. As for 'relatively clean sexual intimacy,' that applies to any monogamous relationship.

And lastly, I see that the direction of society in embracing public homosexuality is incorrect. It glorifies lust and the baser drives, prioritizing our old brain over our more evolved and advanced intellect, and this can leak through to other facets of society. It generally results in promiscuity, which looks to spread sexual diseases. It makes friend relationships between same-sex people charged with sexual tension, which makes them at times awkward and less close than they could be otherwise. It keeps certain people from putting their genes in the gene pool when maybe they might be very intelligent or strong and the future would benefit from their reproduction.

Sex is a base drive. Most people want it. Sexual preference makes no difference. A straight guy or a lesbian woman, either can admire the page 3 girl.
Our evolved and advanced intellects that produce such marvels as bigotry, torture, rape, murder, war, etc.?
The corollary to homosexuality sexually-charging friendships between same-sex people, is that heterosexuality sexually charges friendships between different-sex people.
'The Future' has no inherent right to anyone's genes. And even if it did,there's nothing to prevent Homosexuals from donating sperm or eggs for others to utilise.

I'm not going to tackle the reproduction issue too much, though, because the world is overpopulated already.

This is not to say that all gay or lesbian people are motivated solely by base drives, or promiscuous. But that can be stated as the general fact, applying to the community, and not to the individual.

It can also be stated as applying to the Heterosexual community. So?

Humans are social animals, and the community is highly important. We should always try to operate with the community in mind, and while preserving the rights of the individual to benefit the community in any way they please, prohibit the right of the individual to harm the community either socially or physically.

Why?

My opinion as of now (it could be swayed by logical arguments, but not emotional ones) is that homosexuality is psychological. This doesn't mean that it has been chosen, just as bipolar disorder isn't a choice - and it does not imply that sexual orientation can be cured by electro-therapy.

Opinion is not the same as fact.

[Condunum]

So you use a term we find offensive because it's easier to type? Fine. Bible Thumper. Easier to spell that Stupid Christian.

How is it offensive, people find everything offensive these days.

It's a word intentionally used to degrade someone who is flamboyant.

[Holy Windmill Empire]

How is it offensive, people find everything offensive these days.

It's a word intentionally used to degrade someone who is flamboyant.

I don't realy see it as one. But ok if freedom of speach is destroyed even more by hippies.

[Samuraikoku]

However, the way I see it, there is enough doubt about whether or not God prohibited it that it is safer to stay far away from it. After all, the only force towards it is lust, which can be easily ignored by one's more advanced consciousness, relative to our "old brain", the more instinctual animal one, which generally defines our baser drives.

I find it very odd that you say that homosexuality is strictly based on lust - which you have yet to provide a source for - while ignoring that sexual attraction is still sexual attraction regardless of it being homosexual or heterosexual. Not to mention, your resort to Pascal's Wager isn't even worth addressing since I'm an atheis.

I know full well that I could be gay (or more accurately, lesbian) and I would be plenty comfortable in a relationship with a woman, since I tend to be fairly manly. I could certainly psychologically evoke feelings of lust for either sex. But I have chosen to be straight and spend my time with one partner because that's the most efficient way to go about life. For one matter, it streamlines genetic reproduction. For another, it encourages relatively clean sexual intimacy.

Sexuality isn't chosen. I know for one I didn't choose to be straight. Also, sexual intimacy being "clean" or not does not depend on sexual orientation, but on a personal attitude.

And lastly, I see that the direction of society in embracing public homosexuality is incorrect. It glorifies lust and the baser drives, prioritizing our old brain over our more evolved and advanced intellect, and this can leak through to other facets of society. It generally results in promiscuity, which looks to spread sexual diseases.

Nothing inherent to homosexuality, but to heterosexual relationships as well.

It makes friend relationships between same-sex people charged with sexual tension, which makes them at times awkward and less close than they could be otherwise. It keeps certain people from putting their genes in the gene pool when maybe they might be very intelligent or strong and the future would benefit from their reproduction.

I'm not going to tackle the reproduction issue too much, though, because the world is overpopulated already.

Fail. Try again.

My opinion as of now (it could be swayed by logical arguments, but not emotional ones) is that homosexuality is psychological. This doesn't mean that it has been chosen, just as bipolar disorder isn't a choice - and it does not imply that sexual orientation can be cured by electro-therapy.

OBJECTION! I state your earlier quote.

I know full well that I could be gay (or more accurately, lesbian) and I would be plenty comfortable in a relationship with a woman, since I tend to be fairly manly. I could certainly psychologically evoke feelings of lust for either sex. But I have chosen to be straight and spend my time with one partner because that's the most efficient way to go about life. For one matter, it streamlines genetic reproduction. For another, it encourages relatively clean sexual intimacy.

If you're going to troll, at least don't contradict yourself.

[Mavorpen]

It's a word intentionally used to degrade someone who is flamboyant.

I don't realy see it as one. But ok if freedom of speach is destroyed even more by hippies.

You don't know what a hippy is, do you?

[Condunum]

It's a word intentionally used to degrade someone who is flamboyant.

I don't realy see it as one. But ok if freedom of speach is destroyed even more by hippies.

Freedom of speech doesn't include the right to discrimination. I don't give a flying fuck if you don't think of it as offensive. I find it offensive, and I'm damn sure I'm not the only one.

[Ifreann]

I don't realy see it as one. But ok if freedom of speach is destroyed even more by hippies.

You don't know what a hippy is, do you?

I was more struck by his not knowing what freedom of speech is.

[Keronians]

Provided they're allowed to reconstruct.

Why would they not be allowed to?

Religious people still remembering the attempt to put them in the Dark Ages?

[Condunum]

I don't realy see it as one. But ok if freedom of speach is destroyed even more by hippies.

You don't know what a hippy is, do you?

Obviously, I am.

[The Steel Magnolia]

It's a word intentionally used to degrade someone who is flamboyant.

I don't realy see it as one. But ok if freedom of speach is destroyed even more by hippies.

Freedom of speech =/= say anything you want at any time. There's a reason public hate speech is prohibited in most countries, after all; you realize this, correct?

[Holy Windmill Empire]

I don't realy see it as one. But ok if freedom of speach is destroyed even more by hippies.

You don't know what a hippy is, do you?

Well i defien hippy as those green loving tree hugers.

[Condunum]

Why would they not be allowed to?

Religious people still remembering the attempt to put them in the Dark Ages?

Fuck his opinion, it's reactionary.

[Holy Windmill Empire]

I don't realy see it as one. But ok if freedom of speach is destroyed even more by hippies.

Freedom of speech doesn't include the right to discrimination. I don't give a flying fuck if you don't think of it as offensive. I find it offensive, and I'm damn sure I'm not the only one.

Ok lets calm down im i swearing.

[Djentmark]

As it happens, I am an agnostic atheist/secular humanist. I just don't like assumptions.
But I prefer the term post-theist.
"Post-theism is a variant of nontheism that proposes to have not so much rejected theism as rendered it obsolete, that God belongs to a stage of human development now past."

[Keronians]

Religious people still remembering the attempt to put them in the Dark Ages?

Fuck his opinion, it's reactionary.

Whose, that Empire guy?

Yeah, I agree.

[Holy Windmill Empire]

I don't realy see it as one. But ok if freedom of speach is destroyed even more by hippies.

Freedom of speech =/= say anything you want at any time. There's a reason public hate speech is prohibited in most countries, after all; you realize this, correct?

Well actuly hate speech is very one sided.

[Keronians]

As it happens, I am an agnostic atheist/secular humanist. I just don't like assumptions.
But I prefer the term post-theist.
"Post-theism is a variant of nontheism that proposes to have not so much rejected theism as rendered it obsolete, that God belongs to a stage of human development now past."

I was right!

I was going to say: "but if I had to guess, I'd say agnostic atheist".

[Condunum]

You don't know what a hippy is, do you?

Well i defien hippy as those green loving tree hugers.

Green loving? I fucking hate green.
Tree huger? I fucking hate trees.

Freedom of speech doesn't include the right to discrimination. I don't give a flying fuck if you don't think of it as offensive. I find it offensive, and I'm damn sure I'm not the only one.

Ok lets calm down im i swearing.

Actually, I'm swearing, for emphasis on how little I don't care about if you don't a word offensive when it doesn't even describe you.

[Batuni]

He may be an agnostic.

Just because he isn't religious (which is an assumption I'm making because he refers to religious people as "they") doesn't mean he's atheist.

True but he has a athest opinion.

... Ummm, exactly what is an 'atheist opinion?'

[Holy Windmill Empire]

As it happens, I am an agnostic atheist/secular humanist. I just don't like assumptions.
But I prefer the term post-theist.
"Post-theism is a variant of nontheism that proposes to have not so much rejected theism as rendered it obsolete, that God belongs to a stage of human development now past."

Well i beleive that religion gives people character and helps them develop as a person.

[Holy Windmill Empire]

Well i defien hippy as those green loving tree hugers.

Green loving? I fucking hate green.
Tree huger? I fucking hate trees.

Ok lets calm down im i swearing.

Actually, I'm swearing, for emphasis on how little I don't care about if you don't a word offensive when it doesn't even describe you.

Dont swear or i will not debate with u.

[Condunum]

Fuck his opinion, it's reactionary.

Whose, that Empire guy?

Yeah, I agree.

On a slightly related note, I've always wanted to see what would happen if you put say, 10,000 people selected based on their skills into an abandoned city.

[Divair]

They should have every single right every other person has. They should be allowed to get married.

Also OP's idea of marriage is just LOL.

[Seperate Vermont]

I believe that sexuality will be sexuality, and it's always inherently an individual to individual thing. Characteristics of heterosexality, homosexuality, bisexuality etc. vary greatly, and I don't believe sexuality will truly ever have a true representative group. We simply shouldn't think of sexuality in the collective.

Honestly, insofar as government's involvement, I believe there should be none. Sexuality and all it's parts pertain in no circumstance to government's business.