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Your opinion on homosexuality?

Homosexuality is wrong. Leviticus
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Gays shouldnt be able to be together
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Gays should be able to be togther but not get married
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Homosexuals have every right to be together
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I am gay
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Total votes : 471

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:06 am

Alikhaa wrote:My opinion on homosexuality is not completely solidified because I don't have every single fact available on the subject.

However, the way I see it, there is enough doubt about whether or not God prohibited it that it is safer to stay far away from it. After all, the only force towards it is lust, which can be easily ignored by one's more advanced consciousness, relative to our "old brain", the more instinctual animal one, which generally defines our baser drives.

I know full well that I could be gay (or more accurately, lesbian) and I would be plenty comfortable in a relationship with a woman, since I tend to be fairly manly. I could certainly psychologically evoke feelings of lust for either sex. But I have chosen to be straight and spend my time with one partner because that's the most efficient way to go about life. For one matter, it streamlines genetic reproduction. For another, it encourages relatively clean sexual intimacy.

And lastly, I see that the direction of society in embracing public homosexuality is incorrect. It glorifies lust and the baser drives, prioritizing our old brain over our more evolved and advanced intellect, and this can leak through to other facets of society. It generally results in promiscuity, which looks to spread sexual diseases. It makes friend relationships between same-sex people charged with sexual tension, which makes them at times awkward and less close than they could be otherwise. It keeps certain people from putting their genes in the gene pool when maybe they might be very intelligent or strong and the future would benefit from their reproduction.

I'm not going to tackle the reproduction issue too much, though, because the world is overpopulated already.

This is not to say that all gay or lesbian people are motivated solely by base drives, or promiscuous. But that can be stated as the general fact, applying to the community, and not to the individual.

Humans are social animals, and the community is highly important. We should always try to operate with the community in mind, and while preserving the rights of the individual to benefit the community in any way they please, prohibit the right of the individual to harm the community either socially or physically.

My opinion as of now (it could be swayed by logical arguments, but not emotional ones) is that homosexuality is psychological. This doesn't mean that it has been chosen, just as bipolar disorder isn't a choice - and it does not imply that sexual orientation can be cured by electro-therapy.

You're right, you don't know what you're talking about. I take your slander of the gay and lesbian community as a personal insult.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:07 am

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Person012345 wrote:For you bible believers, do you stone your children to death when they misbehave? If not, why not? Before you bring up jesus dying for our sins, jesus specifically scolded people for not following that rule in particular. So do tell.

Because almost all instances in which stoning is referred to, beyond the 'let he who is without sin' thing, is in the Old Testament... which is largely irrelevant to the Christian faith.

Also source for 'jesus specifically scolded people for not following that rule in particular.' please.


The Old Testament is irrelevant? Jesus would disagree.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

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Postby Keronians » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:07 am

I don't like the question... I believe that homosexuals have every right to marry, and indeed adopt children if they so wish, but I dislike homosexuality in general.

Why? Well, not for any religious reasons, or any other such moral reason. It's a mild dislike out of me thinking that it's undesirable to humanity as a species.
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Postby Djentmark » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:08 am

Tigeria wrote:This is your leviticus ch 18 verses 1-30

I see no such evidence of any condemnation of gays, either way, God has an opinion too, do stop taking YOUR opinion and saying its GOD'S opinion.

If anyone sees such evidence please do enlighten everyone on where you found this...

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Although the bible is outdated trash, so it doesn't really matter.
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Postby Zeotropica » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:08 am

Episarta wrote:Again with this topic? Can't we at least have a couple weeks before it is brought up again? We are just going to bend this topic over the counter and rape it for all it has, aren't we?


depends on the gender of the topic, the ethical stance of the counter and the preferred sexuality of the 'raper'.. after all, we wouldn't want to cause offence...

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Postby Holy Windmill Empire » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:09 am

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Holy Windmill Empire wrote:Camp meaning men who act like girls. I never get on with them. And just like I said God and Moses are not gay, so therefore god and moses didnt have sex or give each other oral.

You missed my point. Because God is gender neutral, Moses would not have to be gay to get head from him. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that, if God and Moses existed, God could have given Moses oral.

And why is effeminacy bad?

I dont know what u mean by effeminacy. If you mean why do u dislike men who act like girls, well i am very dandy myself but i do not have a high pitch voice and act as if im a girl which just winds me up. But if u mean god and moses have sex or what ever, then the reason for that is that god wouldnot have sex with moses because god is not intersted in sex. and moses would not want to give oral or recieve oral from god which has no sex.
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Postby Ende » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:10 am

I think it's a bit gross.

But hey, it's their right to do whatever they want and I'm totally okay with it.

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Postby Venolia » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:10 am

Tigeria wrote:And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the Lord your God. After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances. Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the Lord your God. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord. None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the Lord. The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness. The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness. The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman. Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman. Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt. Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness. Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness. Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness. Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time. Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness. Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her. And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;) That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God. (Leviticus 18:1-30 KJV)

This is your leviticus ch 18 verses 1-30

I see no such evidence of any condemnation of gays, either way, God has an opinion too, do stop taking YOUR opinion and saying its GOD'S opinion.

If anyone sees such evidence please do enlighten everyone on where you found this...


I bolded it for you and made it a bit bigger in size.
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Postby Cromarty » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:10 am

Hittanryan wrote:
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Old bible traditions are distinguished to all who have an argument as stupid as this!

So we can pick and choose which parts of the Bible we like and don't like? Fair enough, let's start with Leviticus. A lot of people don't like how it's interpreted, so let's just ignore it.

Leviticus doesn't apply anyway.

Thanks to, y'know, that whole Jesus Christ fulfilling the Law thing.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:10 am

Holy Windmill Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:You missed my point. Because God is gender neutral, Moses would not have to be gay to get head from him. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that, if God and Moses existed, God could have given Moses oral.

And why is effeminacy bad?

I dont know what u mean by effeminacy. If you mean why do u dislike men who act like girls, well i am very dandy myself but i do not have a high pitch voice and act as if im a girl which just winds me up. But if u mean god and moses have sex or what ever, then the reason for that is that god wouldnot have sex with moses because god is not intersted in sex. and moses would not want to give oral or recieve oral from god which has no sex.

Prove that. They very well could have, because there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Why does it bother you when a man acts feminine? It's a way to act. Being offended by that is like me saying I don't like that you didn't use a smiley in your post.
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Postby Holy Windmill Empire » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:11 am

Djentmark wrote:Check this out. Take all of the religious people who want to impose their beliefs on everybody else, and put them in the dark ages where they belong. Now everybody is happy.

Do u now what u atheists wind me up, how about we just massacre you lot, then everyone will be happy.
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Postby Keronians » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:11 am

Cromarty wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:So we can pick and choose which parts of the Bible we like and don't like? Fair enough, let's start with Leviticus. A lot of people don't like how it's interpreted, so let's just ignore it.

Leviticus doesn't apply anyway.

Thanks to, y'know, that whole Jesus Christ fulfilling the Law thing.


You're back in the thread!

I was waiting for you to return and refute every single of these arguments. :p
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Postby Zeotropica » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:11 am

Djentmark wrote:
Tigeria wrote:This is your leviticus ch 18 verses 1-30

I see no such evidence of any condemnation of gays, either way, God has an opinion too, do stop taking YOUR opinion and saying its GOD'S opinion.

If anyone sees such evidence please do enlighten everyone on where you found this...

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Although the bible is outdated trash, so it doesn't really matter.


um.. curious about this one... cos it reads, with that punctuation, as saying that to lie with a man or a woman, is an abomination...

maybe its just some old testament abstinence campaign... doubt it will ever catch on tho.....

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Postby Cromarty » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:12 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Cromarty wrote:Because almost all instances in which stoning is referred to, beyond the 'let he who is without sin' thing, is in the Old Testament... which is largely irrelevant to the Christian faith.

Also source for 'jesus specifically scolded people for not following that rule in particular.' please.


The Old Testament is irrelevant? Jesus would disagree.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

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Except... Jesus, by existing, fulfilled the Law.

Hence New-fucking-Covenant.
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Postby Djentmark » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:12 am

Holy Windmill Empire wrote:
Djentmark wrote:Check this out. Take all of the religious people who want to impose their beliefs on everybody else, and put them in the dark ages where they belong. Now everybody is happy.

Do u now what u atheists wind me up, how about we just massacre you lot, then everyone will be happy.

Back to the massacre again, eh? You'd be SO happy in the dark ages.
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Holy Windmill Empire wrote:
Djentmark wrote:Check this out. Take all of the religious people who want to impose their beliefs on everybody else, and put them in the dark ages where they belong. Now everybody is happy.

Do u now what u atheists wind me up, how about we just massacre you lot, then everyone will be happy.

Why should we do that?
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Postby Holy Windmill Empire » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:13 am

Condunum wrote:
Holy Windmill Empire wrote:I dont know what u mean by effeminacy. If you mean why do u dislike men who act like girls, well i am very dandy myself but i do not have a high pitch voice and act as if im a girl which just winds me up. But if u mean god and moses have sex or what ever, then the reason for that is that god wouldnot have sex with moses because god is not intersted in sex. and moses would not want to give oral or recieve oral from god which has no sex.

Prove that. They very well could have, because there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Why does it bother you when a man acts feminine? It's a way to act. Being offended by that is like me saying I don't like that you didn't use a smiley in your post.

I dont hate them its the same with girls who have realy high pitch voices, they piss me of, like things piss of everyone.
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Condunum wrote:
Holy Windmill Empire wrote:Do u now what u atheists wind me up, how about we just massacre you lot, then everyone will be happy.

Why should we do that?

I spend day in and day out arguing with athestis, cant they just go away.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:14 am

Holy Windmill Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:Prove that. They very well could have, because there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Why does it bother you when a man acts feminine? It's a way to act. Being offended by that is like me saying I don't like that you didn't use a smiley in your post.

I dont hate them its the same with girls who have realy high pitch voices, they piss me of, like things piss of everyone.

Then stay away from them. We don't care who pisses you off because you can't deal with someone different.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:14 am

Holy Windmill Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:Why should we do that?

I spend day in and day out arguing with athestis, cant they just go away.

No, sorry. Why are you looking for arguments with atheists every day? Seems a waste of time.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:14 am

Holy Windmill Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:Why should we do that?

I spend day in and day out arguing with athestis, cant they just go away.

No.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:15 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Holy Windmill Empire wrote:I spend day in and day out arguing with athestis, cant they just go away.

No, sorry. Why are you looking for arguments with atheists every day? Seems a waste of time.

We're right, anyway.
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Postby Djentmark » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:15 am

Holy Windmill Empire wrote:
Condunum wrote:Why should we do that?

I spend day in and day out arguing with athestis, cant they just go away.

They feel much the same about you lot.
also, who said I was an atheist? I certainly don't remember mentioning it.
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Postby Holy Windmill Empire » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:15 am

Condunum wrote:
Holy Windmill Empire wrote:I dont hate them its the same with girls who have realy high pitch voices, they piss me of, like things piss of everyone.

Then stay away from them. We don't care who pisses you off because you can't deal with someone different.

I only mentioned it lightly, and i dont want to hurt them or anything, but camp people do anoy me.
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Postby Holy Windmill Empire » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:16 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Holy Windmill Empire wrote:I spend day in and day out arguing with athestis, cant they just go away.

No, sorry. Why are you looking for arguments with atheists every day? Seems a waste of time.

They come looking for me. :(
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