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Cybach wrote:Whether we are Nazis, whether it was only 12 million vote or 43% of the votes that got Hitler into power, or not does not change the fact that Hitler was our leader. By telling us to follow our leader. You are telling us Germans to go commit suicide.

Hitler was not only the chairman of the NSDAP (or Nazis if you will). He was also the Führer and Chancellor of Germany.

There is a difference between WAS and IS. If Hitler is still your leader in your mind then you are probably a nazi. I am telling you that it is not the intent to tell germans to commit suicide but instead to tell nazis to do so.

WHY did he have to be evil and insane? His oratory and management skills were incredible... But seriously, he kinda screwed up. Bastard... Imagine Nazi Germany minus the human rights violations. Now that would be interesting.

Natapoc wrote:

Cybach wrote:Whether we are Nazis, whether it was only 12 million vote or 43% of the votes that got Hitler into power, or not does not change the fact that Hitler was our leader. By telling us to follow our leader. You are telling us Germans to go commit suicide.

Hitler was not only the chairman of the NSDAP (or Nazis if you will). He was also the Führer and Chancellor of Germany.

There is a difference between WAS and IS. If Hitler is still your leader in your mind then you are probably a nazi. I am telling you that it is not the intent to tell germans to commit suicide but instead to tell nazis to do so.

"IS?" You are aware Adolf Hitler has been dead since 1945? He is currently neither the chairman of the NSDAP, nor is he anything. So I fail to see how you using the present tense has any relevance. Especially when "Follow your leader" is a past tense phrase, since it is a command to emulate the action of a said individual. Who in this case is shown committing suicide.

Also nice insult there. Where did I state that he was still our leader? I am quite sure Hitler has not been leader of Germany for a good six decades. I merely stated that from 1933-45 he was our Leader. The legal and legitemate Leader of Germany and the German people, no re-writing of history can change that fact. He was Chancellor.

So when you put a picture of him, and then use a phrase such as "Follow your leader," which has a past tense reference. You're effectively telling us to follow the demise of that particular leader whom you put a picture of there committing suicide. How is that not supposed to tell us Germans for whom he once "was" our leader, that you want us to follow him to his death? Since he was the leader of the German people. You're telling the German people to go commit suicide.

The SS killed hundreds of wehrmacht to steal uniforms to get out of Berlin and Russia. That should never be forgiven or forgotten!
But I do wonder what it would have been like to be Hitlers neice...

WHY did he have to be evil and insane? His oratory and management skills were incredible... But seriously, he kinda screwed up. Bastard... Imagine Nazi Germany minus the human rights violations. Now that would be interesting.

Kobrania wrote:The SS killed hundreds of wehrmacht to steal uniforms to get out of Berlin and Russia. That should never be forgiven or forgotten!
But I do wonder what it would have been like to be Hitlers neice...

Link please. I never read about that. Would be interesting to see which particular SS units did it. Since quite a few SS units in the Battle for Berlin were non-German, so it is quite possible that they could turn against the German Army.

Cybach wrote:

Kobrania wrote:The SS killed hundreds of wehrmacht to steal uniforms to get out of Berlin and Russia. That should never be forgiven or forgotten!
But I do wonder what it would have been like to be Hitlers neice...

Link please. I never read about that. Would be interesting to see which particular SS units did it. Since quite a few SS units in the Battle for Berlin were non-German, so it is quite possible that they could turn against the German Army.

I actually got it from a history book, a diary and 6 2nd hand sources.

I was actually investigating how my great grandaddy died at the time.

Frederick Forsyth also used two of my sourses in his book The Odessa file, which uses the events in his plot.

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Arivada wrote:i believe that he actually escaped but was killed by Soviet troops.

Let me guess. You have no evidence to support your claim but are convinced of the fact you are right, correct? Besides, the Russians SO have his skull.

Religions get away with this 'no evidence' thing all the time. So why could this not be true? I mean, can you personally prove it didn't happen that way?

I doubt you would...

From within the safe environment of your seat it isn't difficult to state such ‘brave’ statements, but it's an entirely different animal when it would be reality. If your president actual would start a genocide then you wouldn't probably state openly "you're not my leader" else you would be fish food.

Few like it to be fish food.

Actually smartone, The Holocaust wasnt exactly known by the German public until the war was nearly over. Hell even the majority of the German Army Regulars had no clue on it.

My Grandfather didn't find out about the Holocaust until his unit surrendered to the Russians in Stalingrad, and were marched into Poland.

And why you ask was it covered up?

Because the German people had more honor and dignity and would oust Hitler in a fucking heartbeat if they knew what he was doing.


Also, on that note, If I was living in Germany in the 1920's-1930's I would vote Hitler in a heartbeat. I would follow him, of course, until the killing of the Jews was revealed to the world.

I actually agree with the majority of his political ideology's, except of course his Anti-Semitism and Rascist views.

Helghast Krieg wrote:

I doubt you would...

From within the safe environment of your seat it isn't difficult to state such ‘brave’ statements, but it's an entirely different animal when it would be reality. If your president actual would start a genocide then you wouldn't probably state openly "you're not my leader" else you would be fish food.

Few like it to be fish food.

Actually smartone, The Holocaust wasnt exactly known by the German public until the war was nearly over. Hell even the majority of the German Army Regulars had no clue on it.

My Grandfather didn't find out about the Holocaust until his until surrendered to the Russians in Stalingrad, and were marched into Poland.

And why you ask was it covered up?

Because the German people had more honor and dignity and would oust Hitler in a fucking heartbeat if they knew what he was doing.

The German people had zero opportunity to oust anyone. The Hitler crowd had all the guns, and civilians weren't allowed to have them. Hitler's antisemitic policies were quite popular at the time, and the existance of hundreds of concentration camps in Germany itself wasn't exactly a big secret.

Landover Baptist wrote:
The German people had zero opportunity to oust anyone. The Hitler crowd had all the guns, and civilians weren't allowed to have them. Hitler's antisemitic policies were quite popular at the time, and the existance of hundreds of concentration camps in Germany itself wasn't exactly a big secret.

yes, the Mistreatment of the Jews was very much known. However their mass murders were not.

To accuse the Germans for mistreating the Jews today is like accusing all Americans of what they did to African Americans in the Civil rights movement. They basically are the same thing.

Last time I checked, he went 'Nai nai nai!" in a film. Then he shot himself because of Bobo.

I just saw the history channel show on Hitler maybe being alive. I personally think, from the findings on the show, that Hitler did commit suicide but was, in fact, born a woman .

BrightonBurg wrote:Hitler also wrote the screen play to Caddyshack II..

That would explain alot.

Desperate Measures wrote:I just saw the history channel show on Hitler maybe being alive. I personally think, from the findings on the show, that Hitler did commit suicide but was, in fact, born a woman :shock: .

worse, I've heard he was born an austrian.

Pure Metal wrote:

Heh heh... I felt a slight hint of darkness, no?

Terra Oceania wrote:WHY did he have to be evil and insane? His oratory and management skills were incredible... But seriously, he kinda screwed up. Bastard... Imagine Nazi Germany minus the human rights violations. Now that would be interesting.

His oratory skills were incredible. His management skills.... well, he had a nasty tendency to execute disloyal officers even if they were tactical geniuses, providing political oversight for a war that the Germans could've won if he hadn't gotten involved, et cetera. Without the human rights violations and the whole WWII thing, he would've just been regarded as a bad leader, because Fascism would have been allowed to fail on the few merits it has. I don't get what all the Hitler-romanticism is for these days; it's not like he really did much except mismanage WWII, execute millions of people, and make a few nationalistic speeches (none of which has survived to the present day despite him being supposedly a great orator). If it hadn't been for the burgeoning malcontent, inflation, and general problems during the Weimar era, Hitler and the NSDAP would never have been anything other than a fringe party somewhat akin to Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church.

Also, to that guy claiming the Germans would've revolted against Hitler if they'd known about the Holocaust: no, they wouldn't have. Don't make the mistake of confusing today's morals with 1933's. In the thirties and forties, anti-semitism and eugenics were international fads; even in America did they enjoy a vogue. Moreover, most Germans were fairly nationalistic, and resentful of all the foreign races that had put them in such dire economic and social straits (although the failure of the Weimar Republic itself was entirely the Germans' fault, but that never really came into consideration). If it became known all over that Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, and genetically inferior people in general were being executed en masse, the average German would have applauded at best and said "meh, can't do anything about it anyway since they banned guns" at worst -- and besides, who would believe the insane rumours that eleven million people had been killed, or about a quarter of Germany's total population at the time? Imagine if someone told you that seventy-five million people had died in concentration camps in Idaho; you'd answer "yeah, right. And why didn't we hear anything about it beforehand? Besides, most of them were probably illegal immigrants anyway."

(Anyway, several of the most important concentration camps were in Poland and elsewhere, not Germany. Easy enough to say "not our problem".

I'm pretty sure he died.

Czardas wrote:

Terra Oceania wrote:WHY did he have to be evil and insane? His oratory and management skills were incredible... But seriously, he kinda screwed up. Bastard... Imagine Nazi Germany minus the human rights violations. Now that would be interesting.

and make a few nationalistic speeches (none of which has survived to the present day despite him being supposedly a great orator).

*cough*

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plu0HpupNzQ

[small compilation of some of his speeches, ignore the Messiah in the title, since obviously some delusional nuthead uploaded it, but it shows his speeches nontheless; Pay particular attention to the last seconds and notice how scary those moments are with the large crowd worshipping him]

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYOfWmZZqDk [His speech on national youth day]


3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlJf-3ud3s [etc..]

4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPrygWuELwo [3min in Hitler speaks]


And these are just some random speeches with "English subtitles," there are many, many more on youtube alone without English subtitles in their original form. So I am fairly sure quite a lot of them survived if youtube is plagued with them...

he found out i was fucking his mum then decided to take the world on from a bunker in berlin.

I think his bladder exploded and he died in agony.

No evidence, but it makes me happy to imagine it.

i like conspiracy theroies heres one hitler put amelia earhearts body in place of his he escaped through a system of tunnels under berlin he fled to america where after several years took on a new persona Elvis Presely he was later abducted by aliens for a few years. upon returning to earth he purchased a gun and went to Dallas texas where while sitting on the grassy knoll took aim at president JFK. after that he lived out the rest of his days as a charlie chaplin impersonater.

Dimoniquid wrote:Last time I checked, he went 'Nai nai nai!" in a film. Then he shot himself because of Bobo.

you mean nein?