What really hppened to Hitler?

[Drachmar]

Is it wrong that I really like this picture? Does it make me a bad person to print this out and make a big banner of it?

If you're asking, then yes it is wrong. I find it disturbing. Pigeonholing an entire country because their leader was cuckoo for cocoa puffs, there's something wrong with that. That's like saying I'm from the U.S...now jack me up because GW led my country for 8 years even though I didn't agree with his policy, foreign and domestic. I think putting the past behind in the case of Hitler & Germany is best (especially for the German people...70 years is enough).

Now...on to something completely different...like the topic.

Not a theory...just something I talked about with a smarty pants guy back in the 80's.

Unfortunately, I can't really find anything to back this, but he (more like a teacher of his) said that it was possible that Hitler did survive and was alive and well...as the Ayatollah Khomeini. Weird shit, but I almost think he was convinced. I wish I could find something substantial about it on teh intertoobs, but I haven't found jack. It's an interesting theory, but based on pictures of Khomeini (who was 86 when he died) I don't believe it.

[Gauntleted Fist]

I think Hitler died at the age of 92 driving a pimped out Caddy with six or seven Jewish wives in Israel on a big ass estate with 24/7 security protection.

The mansion was, of course, underground.

The Caddy was, of course, gold-plated.

And he had the never-ending love of all the rich Jewish bastards fluffy bunnies he saved in his war against the Great Satan.

Because we all know Israel hates us, anyway.

Even though we sell them all our stuff.

And kiss their ass.

And stick up for them in the UN.

And around the world.

And we think they're pretty cool.

[Greed and Death]

Is it wrong that I really like this picture? Does it make me a bad person to print this out and make a big banner of it?

yes, he was too much of a pansy to shoot himself. He took suicide pills. and his aids shot him to and set it up to look like he shot himself to make it look more heroic.

[City of Norfolk]

Don't forget drug addiction(s). That with a poor diet and the stresses of war and politics would have caused him to have died from a heart attack or something, even if Germany won WWII, with the result being the Third Reich plunging into chaos, but that is for another day/thread.

I beieve i read somewhere that one of his top architect's thought about assassinating him but when the war was coming to an end he thought aganist it.

I can't see Albert Speer killing Hitler

[Lord Tothe]

I think this thread needs this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl2eSlb3JKo

*edit* and the Mel Brooks classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu2NqfISm9k

[BrightonBurg]

Hitler created the character Jar-Jar Binks..

[Natapoc]

Is it wrong that I really like this picture? Does it make me a bad person to print this out and make a big banner of it?

If you're asking, then yes it is wrong. I find it disturbing. Pigeonholing an entire country because their leader was cuckoo for cocoa puffs, there's something wrong with that. That's like saying I'm from the U.S...now jack me up because GW led my country for 8 years even though I didn't agree with his policy, foreign and domestic. I think putting the past behind in the case of Hitler & Germany is best (especially for the German people...70 years is enough).

Now...on to something completely different...like the topic.

Not a theory...just something I talked about with a smarty pants guy back in the 80's.

Unfortunately, I can't really find anything to back this, but he (more like a teacher of his) said that it was possible that Hitler did survive and was alive and well...as the Ayatollah Khomeini. Weird shit, but I almost think he was convinced. I wish I could find something substantial about it on teh intertoobs, but I haven't found jack. It's an interesting theory, but based on pictures of Khomeini (who was 86 when he died) I don't believe it.

I'm sorry I did not mean to offend Germans who feel that the picture is referring to them. In my view Hitler is the leader of the NAZI's NOT GERMANS. All Germans I know hate nazis.

I would never have even considered that a German could think that it was a statement about them (unless they are a nazi) but I can see now how some would think that. Nearly every country has people who still consider themselves nazis and who idolize Hitler. I read a report about an american father who was a devout nazi (just about 2 years ago) and had his 7 year old son greeting all his little neo nazi friends with standard Nazi greetings... Pretty sick.

So to summarize:

Nazis should follow the example of Hitler in his last seconds.

Germans are great people who should do whatever they want and have fun in a country free of nazis

I'm sorry if any non nazi was offended or thinks I was talking of them. Please understand I intended it to apply only to NAZIS because I do not consider hitler to be a leader to the German people.

[Hairless Kitten II]

Is it wrong that I really like this picture? Does it make me a bad person to print this out and make a big banner of it?

If you're asking, then yes it is wrong. I find it disturbing. Pigeonholing an entire country because their leader was cuckoo for cocoa puffs, there's something wrong with that. That's like saying I'm from the U.S...now jack me up because GW led my country for 8 years even though I didn't agree with his policy, foreign and domestic. I think putting the past behind in the case of Hitler & Germany is best (especially for the German people...70 years is enough).

Now...on to something completely different...like the topic.

Not a theory...just something I talked about with a smarty pants guy back in the 80's.

Unfortunately, I can't really find anything to back this, but he (more like a teacher of his) said that it was possible that Hitler did survive and was alive and well...as the Ayatollah Khomeini. Weird shit, but I almost think he was convinced. I wish I could find something substantial about it on teh intertoobs, but I haven't found jack. It's an interesting theory, but based on pictures of Khomeini (who was 86 when he died) I don't believe it.

I'm sorry I did not mean to offend Germans who feel that the picture is referring to them. In my view Hitler is the leader of the NAZI's NOT GERMANS. All Germans I know hate nazis.

I would never have even considered that a German could think that it was a statement about them (unless they are a nazi) but I can see now how some would think that. Nearly every country has people who still consider themselves nazis and who idolize Hitler. I read a report about an american father who was a devout nazi (just about 2 years ago) and had his 7 year old son greeting all his little neo nazi friends with standard Nazi greetings... Pretty sick.

So to summarize:

Nazis should follow the example of Hitler in his last seconds.

Germans are great people who should do whatever they want and have fun in a country free of nazis

I'm sorry if any non nazi was offended or thinks I was talking of them. Please understand I intended it to apply only to NAZIS because I do not consider hitler to be a leader to the German people.

He was elected by the German people, not only by the Nazi ones.

And no not all the Nazis should have followed Hitler his suicide, not even one.

Would you make 15 or 16 year old little fish responsible for the holocaust?

The big fishes received what they deserved, a fair trial: Nuremberg.
That's what we do in a decent society, we don't kill people or we don't support suicide just for the silly matters of revenge.

Fucking wanking cowards like Hitler didn't face a courtroom, which is rather sad.

[RoI3]

He died.

[Wilgrove]

I watched an episode of Mystery Quest on this. A scientist took sample of the skull that Russia has in their possession. This is the skull that the Russian claim to be Hitler's. He also took blood sample from the couch that Hitler supposedly died on.

The skull is not Hitler's, but of someone who is female. It could be Eva Braun, or someone else. The blood sample was male. Without a DNA sample from a living person related to Hitler, they couldn't compare DNA sample.

[RoI3]

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The big fishes received what they deserved, a fair trial: Nuremberg.
That's what we do in a decent society, we don't kill people or we don't support suicide just for the silly matters of revenge.

Right, and how many people were put to death after Nuremberg?

[N e o Z e o n]

Tom Cruise killed him.

[Natapoc]

To be a nazi is to embrace the nazi ideology. You are not a nazi just because your country has been taken over by them.

Your leader is whomever you feel is your leader. If my president started a genocide I would no longer call him my leader. Somehow this is not understood? Just because someone was elected to lead your nation does not mean he is your "leader" if you happen to be in that nation.

Yes people who currently support the nazi ideology are dangerous and would do the whole world a great favor by not existing anymore.

[Hairless Kitten II]

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The big fishes received what they deserved, a fair trial: Nuremberg.
That's what we do in a decent society, we don't kill people or we don't support suicide just for the silly matters of revenge.

Right, and how many people were put to death after Nuremberg?

There was not only Nuremberg, but that trial was the most famous one. In total 177 were accused.

The verdict:

35 were released from all charges
24 received the death penalty, but only 12 actually received the final punishment
20 received life time jail
98 received jail time between 18 months and 25 years.

[RightLeaningChristians]

In Iran, with his friend.

[Wilgrove]

Hitler created the character Jar-Jar Binks..

Then he truly is evil....

[Hairless Kitten II]

To be a nazi is to embrace the nazi ideology. You are not a nazi just because your country has been taken over by them.

Your leader is whomever you feel is your leader. If my president started a genocide I would no longer call him my leader. Somehow this is not understood? Just because someone was elected to lead your nation does not mean he is your "leader" if you happen to be in that nation.

Yes people who currently support the nazi ideology are dangerous and would do the whole world a great favor by not existing anymore.

I doubt you would...

From within the safe environment of your seat it isn't difficult to state such ‘brave’ statements, but it's an entirely different animal when it would be reality. If your president actual would start a genocide then you wouldn't probably state openly "you're not my leader" else you would be fish food.

Few like it to be fish food.

[RoI3]

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The big fishes received what they deserved, a fair trial: Nuremberg.
That's what we do in a decent society, we don't kill people or we don't support suicide just for the silly matters of revenge.

Right, and how many people were put to death after Nuremberg?

There was not only Nuremberg, but that trial was the most famous one. In total 177 were accused.

The verdict:

35 were released from all charges
24 received the death penalty, but only 12 actually received the final punishment
20 received life time jail
98 received jail time between 18 months and 25 years.

So, in this society we do kill people.

[Natapoc]

To be a nazi is to embrace the nazi ideology. You are not a nazi just because your country has been taken over by them.

Your leader is whomever you feel is your leader. If my president started a genocide I would no longer call him my leader. Somehow this is not understood? Just because someone was elected to lead your nation does not mean he is your "leader" if you happen to be in that nation.

Yes people who currently support the nazi ideology are dangerous and would do the whole world a great favor by not existing anymore.

I doubt you would...

From within the safe environment of your seat it isn't difficult to state such ‘brave’ statements, but it's an entirely different animal when it would be reality. If your president actual would start a genocide then you wouldn't probably state openly "you're not my leader" else you would be fish food.

Few like it to be fish food.

I never said you have to express open disagreement at a threat to your life to not be a nazi. Agreement with nazi ideology is a personal choice.

[Hairless Kitten II]

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The big fishes received what they deserved, a fair trial: Nuremberg.
That's what we do in a decent society, we don't kill people or we don't support suicide just for the silly matters of revenge.

Right, and how many people were put to death after Nuremberg?

There was not only Nuremberg, but that trial was the most famous one. In total 177 were accused.

The verdict:

35 were released from all charges
24 received the death penalty, but only 12 actually received the final punishment
20 received life time jail
98 received jail time between 18 months and 25 years.

So, in this society we do kill people.

Yes we do. It was better that those 12 received life time jail. But then we are walking into another topic.

[Twigica]

I know where Hitler went. He escped to England. He now lives here and he teaches at my school!

[Cybach]

Out of curiosity, by what indications do people keep claiming Hitler was a coward? I understand he was an evil man, and his actions or better said the actions he helped promote by putting monsters such as Eichmann/Himmler/Bormann into power.

From my reading into his life and end. He refused to surrender to the last. He refused to leave his capital when all his adjutants were trying to coerce him to escape to Bavaria, but he refused to leave his capital. Stating Berlin is where he'd make his stand, it's where he came into power and if it is where he shall also lose his power; so be it.

Then when all was finally lost. The Battle for Berlin was as good as over, the Reichstag fell. The Soviet troops were almost at the doors of the Führerbunker itself. He decided to deny his enemies the moral victory of taking him alive or putting him in front of a sham trial by taking a pistol and shooting himself in the head. Taking his own life as a final "FU" to his enemies who were very much interested in taking him alive. A similar action as various other historical figures did, such as; Hannibal, Marcus Antonius, Cleopatra, Varus etc.. Committing suicide when your army has lost has an incredibly long and dignified history. Unless you start calling an insane amount of courageous and brave historical generals and leaders (Such as Hannibal) cowards for committing suicide after their army got vanquished, I fail to see the validity of calling Hitler a coward for his suicide.



However even avoiding the man's death. What in his life points him out to be a coward? He volunteered into the military in WW1, in the first year. He became well known for his steadfast bravery. Since he volunteered for every dangerous mission. Always being first volunteer to be "runner," considered one of the, if not most dangerous jobs on the Western Front. He served in First Battle of Ypres, the Battle of the Somme, the Battle of Arras and the Battle of Passchendaele. The Battle of Ypres (October 1914), which became known in Germany as the Kindermord bei Ypern (Massacre of the Innocents) saw approximately 40,000 men (between a third and a half) of the nine infantry divisions present killed in 20 days, and Hitler's own company of 250 reduced to 42 by December. Yet his dedication did not wane or linger.

Hitler was twice decorated for bravery. He received the Iron Cross, Second Class, in 1914 and Iron Cross, First Class, in 1918, an honour extremely rarely given to a Gefreiter. Historians often state that the reason he was not promoted is that he was not a German citizen. In 1916, he was wounded in either the groin area (Where the 1 ball rumor comes from) or the left thigh during the Battle of the Somme, but returned to the front in March 1917. On 15 October 1918, Hitler was admitted to a field hospital, temporarily blinded by a mustard gas attack. Hitler found the war to be 'the greatest of all experiences' and afterwards he was praised by a number of his commanding officers for his bravery.

So yes. I have my doubts about calling a man who served for 4 years in war. Volunteered for the most dangerous jobs, was temporarily blinded, was heavily injured and each time was highly motivated to return to the battlefield; a coward. Not to mention it would raise the question that if someone was brave enough to praised by his commanding officers, as a "Gefreiter," to receive a bravery award almost never awarded to someone of such a low rank, what exactly does it take to not be a coward? Single-handedly winning a war?

One of the reasons Hitler, as an Austrian, became accepted in German society. Or at least tolerated on the political scene and was taken serious. Was because of his war record. Compared to many other politicians he could justifiably claim to have suffered, sacrificed and bled more for Germany than they ever did.

Now Adolf Hitler was many things. He held a despicable world view. He was intolerant of non-western Europeans. He was delusional. And he holds a responsibility and culpability for the Holocaust conducted by Himmler/Heydrich/Bormann. However I think as many things as Hitler was, one cannot reasonably call him a coward with a straight face. Unless one does not understand what the word coward means, or one has a political agenda in attempting to smear him (kind of pointless/overkill considering the inhumane actions carried out during his regime).

[Cybach]

Is it wrong that I really like this picture? Does it make me a bad person to print this out and make a big banner of it?

No.

Makes you human..

Really? I take offense at it. I am a German. So you're telling me I should go commit suicide like our Führer? Whether I voted for him or not, he was our "Leader" or "Führer." Whether I agreed with his policies or not, does not change the fact that he was our "Leader." The same concept as whether you are a Republican and disagree with Obama, does not change the fact that he is your "President." One cannot re-write history. We Germans stood loyal to him as our Leader up to the very end, we also democratically elected him into power.

That statement is simply telling us Germans to all go commit suicide. Whether or not we agree with Hitler's political views or not, or even voted for him. Or let alone were alive at the time he was in power.

So apparently it's human, to wish for the national suicide of a whole nation, based on the person we elected? Nice to share your worldview...

[Natapoc]

Is it wrong that I really like this picture? Does it make me a bad person to print this out and make a big banner of it?

No.

Makes you human..

Really? I take offense at it. I am a German. So you're telling me I should go commit suicide like our Führer? Whether I voted for him or not, he was our "Leader" or "Führer." Whether I agreed with his policies or not, does not change the fact that he was our "Leader." The same concept as whether you are a Republican and disagree with Obama, does not change the fact that he is your "President." One cannot re-write history. We Germans stood loyal to him as our Leader up to the very end, we also democratically elected him into power.

That statement is simply telling us Germans to all go commit suicide. Whether or not we agree with Hitler's political views or not, or even voted for him. Or let alone were alive at the time he was in power.

So apparently it's human, to wish for the national suicide of a whole nation, based on the person we elected? Nice to share your worldview...

No one is telling Germans to commit suicide. This has nothing to do with Germans at all. This must be an issue of translation or something. Germans are not nazis. Some germans may be.

[Cybach]

Is it wrong that I really like this picture? Does it make me a bad person to print this out and make a big banner of it?

No.

Makes you human..

Really? I take offense at it. I am a German. So you're telling me I should go commit suicide like our Führer? Whether I voted for him or not, he was our "Leader" or "Führer." Whether I agreed with his policies or not, does not change the fact that he was our "Leader." The same concept as whether you are a Republican and disagree with Obama, does not change the fact that he is your "President." One cannot re-write history. We Germans stood loyal to him as our Leader up to the very end, we also democratically elected him into power.

That statement is simply telling us Germans to all go commit suicide. Whether or not we agree with Hitler's political views or not, or even voted for him. Or let alone were alive at the time he was in power.

So apparently it's human, to wish for the national suicide of a whole nation, based on the person we elected? Nice to share your worldview...

No one is telling Germans to commit suicide. This has nothing to do with Germans at all. This must be an issue of translation or something. Germans are not nazis. Some germans may be.

Whether we are Nazis, whether it was only 12 million vote or 43% of the votes that got Hitler into power, or not does not change the fact that Hitler was our leader. By telling us to follow our leader. You are telling us Germans to go commit suicide.

Hitler was not only the chairman of the NSDAP (or Nazis if you will). He was also the Führer and Chancellor of Germany.