Another Dumb Blonde Chimes In

[Anti-Social Darwinism]

Suzanne Somers on chemotherapy.

http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-cent ... ick-swayze

Really, people, I know she's a survivor, I know she's had a tought life, but wtf does she know about anything? Mistletoe extract, alternative therapies - how does this differe from quackery?

[Ashmoria]

what a stupid cow she is.

and what kind of creep looks for her own publicity (for her book and herbal cures) from the death of someone else?

you cant cure pancreatic cancer with herbs. you may as well try to pray it away.

[Greed and Death]

Suzanne Somers on chemotherapy.

http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-cent ... ick-swayze

Really, people, I know she's a survivor, I know she's had a tought life, but wtf does she know about anything? Mistletoe extract, alternative therapies - how does this differe from quackery?

Quacks pretend to be doctors.

[Stuffy Academics]

Wow. Congrats Suzanne, that was brilliant.

[/sarcasm]

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

what a stupid cow she is.

and what kind of creep looks for her own publicity (for her book and herbal cures) from the death of someone else?

you cant cure pancreatic cancer with herbs. you may as well try to pray it away.

Unfortunately, some do try to pray it away.

[Galloism]

Suzanne Somers on chemotherapy.

http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-cent ... ick-swayze

Really, people, I know she's a survivor, I know she's had a tought life, but wtf does she know about anything? Mistletoe extract, alternative therapies - how does this differe from quackery?

Quacks pretend to be doctors.

My sister swears by herbs and crap for everything. I swear I can almost beat her to death sometimes, all the while screaming "will the herbs fix this? WILL THEY?"

[Royal New Britannia]

Suzanne Somers on chemotherapy.

http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-cent ... ick-swayze

Really, people, I know she's a survivor, I know she's had a tought life, but wtf does she know about anything? Mistletoe extract, alternative therapies - how does this differe from quackery?

Quacks pretend to be doctors.

My sister swears by herbs and crap for everything. I swear I can almost beat her to death sometimes, all the while screaming "will the herbs fix this? WILL THEY?"

Oh please do. Please, please do. Then tell the police that she was wrong.

[Smunkeeville]

I don't mind this shit as a "complimentary therapy" as long as it's not going to interfere with the medicines......and yeah, I totally accept people's right to fuck up their own health care, but like don't tell other people you can cure cancer with tea. Seriously.

[New Kereptica]

Chemo saved my cousin's life. Fucking bitch.

[Dolphin Girl]

Chemo saved my cousin's life. Fucking bitch.

What exactly makes her a bitch? Did she say that chemo patients are worthless? Did she say it should be outlawed?

[Toddeslavia]

Well, well, well. So many medical students wasting their time on NationStates!

I'm certainly not sold on the idea of (ahem) alternative treatments for cancer. However, I've seen some pretty compelling stuff about nutritional approaches and strategies that don't involve massive doses of radiation and toxic chemicals.

Far be it from me (or Suzanne Somers) to suggest that there might be other ways to get well. Not with the plethora of medical experts on this bulletin board waiting to play the yahoo.

You folks on the payroll of a pharmaceutical corporation by any chance?

My sister is a doctor of molecular microbiology and she doesn't burst out laughing when the topic of unconventional medicine comes up. Partly, this is due to her good nature and polite demeanor. However, she's smart enough to know that it shouldn't be dismissed with a sneer.

:::You are now free to resume your screeds:::

[Ashmoria]

Well, well, well. So many medical students wasting their time on NationStates!

I'm certainly not sold on the idea of (ahem) alternative treatments for cancer. However, I've seen some pretty compelling stuff about nutritional approaches and strategies that don't involve massive doses of radiation and toxic chemicals.

Far be it from me (or Suzanne Somers) to suggest that there might be other ways to get well. Not with the plethora of medical experts on this bulletin board waiting to play the yahoo.

You folks on the payroll of a pharmaceutical corporation by any chance?

My sister is a doctor of molecular microbiology and she doesn't burst out laughing when the topic of unconventional medicine comes up. Partly, this is due to her good nature and polite demeanor. However, she's smart enough to know that it shouldn't be dismissed with a sneer.

:::You are now free to resume your screeds:::

ask your sister about pancreatic cancer.

[Rhodmhire]

Three's Company was a horrible show, in my opinion.

Also, thank for making this thread. I was about to, for teh sakez of information, but I thought I'd get called out for it.

It's good to see people are as angry about this as I was when I first took note of it.

[Ashmoria]

Three's Company was a horrible show, in my opinion.

Also, thank for making this thread. I was about to, for teh sakez of information, but I thought I'd get called out for it.

It's good to see people are as angry about this as I was when I first took note of it.

*glares at your flag*

[Rhodmhire]

Three's Company was a horrible show, in my opinion.

Also, thank for making this thread. I was about to, for teh sakez of information, but I thought I'd get called out for it.

It's good to see people are as angry about this as I was when I first took note of it.

*glares at your flag*

It's all in jest, friend.

[Ashmoria]

Three's Company was a horrible show, in my opinion.

Also, thank for making this thread. I was about to, for teh sakez of information, but I thought I'd get called out for it.

It's good to see people are as angry about this as I was when I first took note of it.

*glares at your flag*

It's all in jest, friend.

*glares again*

its all fun and games until someone puts an eye out.

[Muravyets]

Three's Company was a horrible show, in my opinion.

Also, thank for making this thread. I was about to, for teh sakez of information, but I thought I'd get called out for it.

It's good to see people are as angry about this as I was when I first took note of it.

*glares at your flag*

It's all in jest, friend.

*glares again*

its all fun and games until someone puts an eye out.

With all the people glaring at that sharp pointy arrow, it's bound to happen.

[Muravyets]

I don't mind this shit as a "complimentary therapy" as long as it's not going to interfere with the medicines......and yeah, I totally accept people's right to fuck up their own health care, but like don't tell other people you can cure cancer with tea. Seriously.

I'm a big believer in herbs and whatnot as part of a balanced and healthy lifestyle to PREVENT many diseases. I also support the use of herbs and whatnot to compliment medical therapies so long as they do not conflict with the medicines.

But for people to argue that herbs are an effective substitute for chemo in all cases -- that's just dumbass.

[SaintB]

She says that they killed him by putting poison in his body when she advocates injecting mistletoe (a deadly poison) into your body?

[Crabulonia]

Correctly, she had no right to declare that she has the cure for cancer. I´m beginning to question just how the cure for cancer can be found as a cancer is not caused by bacteria or viruses but by unfortunate chance mutations (somebody please correct me if Í´m wrong here but that´s what high school taught me). There is however cause to say that natural remedies can work on occasion.

Only piece of proof I know, off the top of the head, is that the Rosy Periwinkle completely reversed the statistics for Leukemia survivers. Before it was researched on only 10 survived while 90 died, after rosy periwinkle was discovered, and treated to become a medicine, the statistics reversed to 90 survied to 10 died.

Hope I´ve caused a ripple in this debate.

[Non Aligned States]

Correctly, she had no right to declare that she has the cure for cancer. I´m beginning to question just how the cure for cancer can be found as a cancer is not caused by bacteria or viruses but by unfortunate chance mutations (somebody please correct me if Í´m wrong here but that´s what high school taught me).

Broadly speaking, you're correct. Cancer is essentially a section of your body losing it's timed self destruct gene sequence and is basically undergoing uncontrolled growth. Since it's originally part of the body, the immune system recognizes as "self" and won't attack it. That's why chemotherapy is used to try and kill the corrupted cells and hopefully leave enough of the original tissue that it doesn't kill you anyway.

As for a cure, it probably wouldn't be a monolithic cure the way tamiflu is for flu. In fact, it probably wouldn't be a drug of any sort. I suspect that if there is a cure, it will take the form of some highly tailor made treatment specific to the individual involving a fair bit of gene therapy.

[Northern Delmarva]

Is there any way to "mark" this sort of mutation so that the body realizes its not self?

[Nodinia]

Suzanne Somers on chemotherapy.

http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-cent ... ick-swayze

Really, people, I know she's a survivor, I know she's had a tought life, but wtf does she know about anything? Mistletoe extract, alternative therapies - how does this differe from quackery?

While its entirely possible that some treatment for cancer may come from a plant based chemical, and indeed has, this woman seems to be of the THEM BIG COMPANYS IS LYIN end of things, and thus is full of shit. not that big companys don't lie, but you get what I mean...she seems to have taken in some basics about the chemo and let the "big picture" (its focused on the cancer and you get treated to make sure it doesn't kill you) fly over her head.

And yes, I've had the misfortune to have had chemo.

[Muravyets]

In re a potential cure for cancer: I know a big area of research right now is in trying to trigger the cancerous cells, which are malfunctioning, to begin functioning correctly. In tumor producing cancers, the cells that are growing in an uncontrolled fashion are also growing as undifferentiated cells -- just blank tissue, not functioning liver or lung, etc, cells. Researchers are trying to figure out how to trigger normal function. Stem cell research is a big part of this research. Essentially, the goal is early detection of tumor growth treated by therapies that will cause normal cell reproduction instead of abnormal cell reproduction. Basically, whatever "switch" got flipped to trigger tumor growth, to flip it back to "off."

My mom used to work for the head of cancer research at Memorial Sloan-Kettering in NY. That's what his lab was working on. If it ever produces a usable therapy, it would be a cure for at least some types of cancer because you'd get it, and then it would be cured.

[Tunizcha]

Patrick Swayze had pancreatic cancer, which had a 4% 5-year survival rate. The fact that he lived this long is a testament to how skilled his doctors were.

Suzanne, on the other hand, had breast cancer, which had a 90% 5-year survival rate. The fact that she survived without chemotherapy is not amazing, though disappointing.