Are our children learning?

[RightLeaningChristians]

Im for teaching Creationism and Prayer at schools.

Edited.

[SaintB]

Im from teaching Creationism and Prayer at schools.

From when that ******* bastard atheist of Murray O'Hair sought to ban prayer in public schools the test result dropped

prayers help student to keep God on their side

about creationism: last time i checked the great majority of Americans believe in creationism...Why should teachers teach theory that the greater majority of Americans don't want their children to learn? or at least teach BOTH theories

The United States is Constitutionally a Secular Nation and such things as prayer in school and religious beliefs such as Creationism can not and should not be taught in public schools. If you don't like it move to a more secular nation like Iran.

Wait, what?

I'm tired, I was just about to edit it to more theocratic when you quoted me and essentially made that a permanent typo.

Public schools should not teach Creationism nor should there be any kind of school sponsored prayer times; its a violation of the Federal Constitution to teach or enforce religious dogma in public schools. Private Schools can teach Jedi beliefs if they want to however as long as they meet the standards set by local, state, and federal levels of government.

[Buffett and Colbert]

How can one be arrogant enough to try and impose their beliefs on someone else? Also, NATIONSTATES, LEARN THE DEFINITION OF A GODDAMN THEORY!

Schools should be secular, which is not the same as atheist. A secular school, does not favour one religion, or lack of religion, over another. But now, creationists will say evolution and creationism are both theories and therefore both should be taught, I want to shoot myself. A theory, by definition, is backed by evidence. Creationism, is backed, by no evidence. It is not a theory and therefore does not merit it being taught in schools.

[Greed and Death]

How can one be arrogant enough to try and impose their beliefs on someone else? Also, NATIONSTATES, LEARN THE DEFINITION OF A GODDAMN THEORY!

Schools should be secular, which is not the same as atheist. A secular school, does not favour one religion, or lack of religion, over another. But now, creationists will say evolution and creationism are both theories and therefore both should be taught, I want to shoot myself. A theory, by definition, is backed by evidence. Creationism, is backed, by no evidence. It is not a theory and therefore does not merit it being taught in schools.

But the bible is evidence.

[PainsOfGod]

the q should be are our children learned?? ;;))

[Greed and Death]

nd dad used to always say i will learn you before whipping my ass. I was the most learnt boy at school i think.

[Buffett and Colbert]

How can one be arrogant enough to try and impose their beliefs on someone else? Also, NATIONSTATES, LEARN THE DEFINITION OF A GODDAMN THEORY!

Schools should be secular, which is not the same as atheist. A secular school, does not favour one religion, or lack of religion, over another. But now, creationists will say evolution and creationism are both theories and therefore both should be taught, I want to shoot myself. A theory, by definition, is backed by evidence. Creationism, is backed, by no evidence. It is not a theory and therefore does not merit it being taught in schools.

But the bible is evidence.

So is my arse.

[Takaram]

From when that ******* bastard atheist of Murray O'Hair sought to ban prayer in public schools the test result dropped

prayers help student to keep God on their side

about creationism: last time i checked the great majority of american believe in creationism...Why should teachers teach theory that the greater majority of american don't want their childrean to learn? or at least teach BOTH theory

Proof that a lack of prayer had anything to do with test scores dropping? Calling creationism a theory is wholly inaccurate. Where has there ever been a test that supports the idea of creationism? And the poor spelling and grammar are not helping.

[Intangelon]

Here's a immigration test with the tougher questions:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13442226/

I would have to study for most of them (is not an American).

60% correct.

I got 19/20, 95% correct. I missed question 9 because I wasn't sure whether to pick the option containing New Hampshire or the one containing Kentucky. I guessed wrong on that one.

All my answers except that one were based on a combination of what I learned in school and everything else I've paid attention to in my life. And to think I started school after the end of school prayer. Gosh, how did I manage it?

Well, #15 is wrong, isn't it? It says "how many members of Congress are there?" or something along those lines, and the only answer close is 435. I might be wrong, but doesn't "Congress" mean BOTH houses? Shouldn't it be 535?

[Tunizcha]

If you're going to teach about creationism, then you'd have to teach about Vishnu and Krishna and Zeus and all those other gods, especially since most of them came way before Judaism.

[Smunkeeville]

Im for teaching Creationism and Prayer at schools.

Edited.

I'm much more pragmatic. I'm for teaching reading and basic math in school. IF they can learn that before they graduate I'll be happy.

[Bitchkitten]

I'm against teaching superstition at public schools. That includes religion, creationism, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

How can one be arrogant enough to try and impose their beliefs on someone else? Also, NATIONSTATES, LEARN THE DEFINITION OF A GODDAMN THEORY!

Schools should be secular, which is not the same as atheist. A secular school, does not favour one religion, or lack of religion, over another. But now, creationists will say evolution and creationism are both theories and therefore both should be taught, I want to shoot myself. A theory, by definition, is backed by evidence. Creationism, is backed, by no evidence. It is not a theory and therefore does not merit it being taught in schools.

B & C. I agree with you, but evolution is also a theory.
You could argue that the evidence is faked.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

If you're going to teach about creationism, then you'd have to teach about Vishnu and Krishna and Zeus and all those other gods, especially since most of them came way before Judaism.

Are they the most prominent religions in the U.S.A or Britain...etc
No....
So they don't teach them as much. Though they still teach them.

[Risottia]

Here's a immigration test with the tougher questions:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13442226/

I would have to study for most of them (is not an American).

60% correct.

Not USian, first try, 80% correct (that is 5% below passing score). Got wrong: SCotUS chief justice, year of Constitution, number of SCotUS justices, and INS form for naturalisation. Amazingly easy, I'd say.

[Drachmar]

How can one be arrogant enough to try and impose their beliefs on someone else? Also, NATIONSTATES, LEARN THE DEFINITION OF A GODDAMN THEORY!

Schools should be secular, which is not the same as atheist. A secular school, does not favour one religion, or lack of religion, over another. But now, creationists will say evolution and creationism are both theories and therefore both should be taught, I want to shoot myself. A theory, by definition, is backed by evidence. Creationism, is backed, by no evidence. It is not a theory and therefore does not merit it being taught in schools.

B & C. I agree with you, but evolution is also a theory.
You could argue that the evidence is faked.

And with this statement, the question is answered.

/thread

[Tunizcha]

How can one be arrogant enough to try and impose their beliefs on someone else? Also, NATIONSTATES, LEARN THE DEFINITION OF A GODDAMN THEORY!

Schools should be secular, which is not the same as atheist. A secular school, does not favour one religion, or lack of religion, over another. But now, creationists will say evolution and creationism are both theories and therefore both should be taught, I want to shoot myself. A theory, by definition, is backed by evidence. Creationism, is backed, by no evidence. It is not a theory and therefore does not merit it being taught in schools.

B & C. I agree with you, but evolution is also a theory.
You could argue that the evidence is faked.

And with this statement, the question is answered.

/thread

Do you know why the argument "Evolution is only a theory" proves nothing? First of all, I know everyone's heard this before, but gravity is also a theory. Second, when you have independent branches of biology arriving at the same conclusion, evolution, you can't refute it. Embryology, genetics, fossil records, comparative anatomy, endogenous retroviruses, molecular biology, histology, ecology, transitional fossils, bio-geography, and animal behavior all conclude in the same unifying theory of biology, evolution. You can create phylogenetic trees from all these subjects and they all match up exactly.

Edited for typo.

[Drachmar]

Do you know why the argument "Evolution is only a theory" proves nothing? First of all, I know everyone's heard this before, but gravity is also a theory. Second, when you have independent branches of biology arriving at the same conclusion, evolution, you can't refute it. Embryology, genetics, fossil records, comparative anatomy, endogenous retroviruses, molecular biology, histology, ecology, transitional fossils, bio-geography, and animal behavior all conclude in the same unifying theory of biology, evolution. You can create phylogenetic trees from all these subjects and they all match up exactly.

Edited for typo.

Correction...it's called Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Up until Einstein's Theory of Relativity, it was called Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation. If you'd like to make your argument solid, explain the history of Universal Gravitation. Granted you are correct that scientists only have a working theory as to what makes up gravity (Graviton), but it's effect on the universe is established physical law once Einstein's space-time became accepted by the scientific community.

So yes, I understand the Scientific Method. It's the first thing you learn in the sciences. Simply speaking it's follows in this order: Observation, Hypothesis, Theory, and Law. I'm quite familiar with how it's the term "Theory" is abused by Creationists, as is Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle in dismissing the Theory of Evolution.

Theory =/=Scientific Theory

I don't think you understand why I said this answers the topic's question. Are our children learning? Obviously not.

[Tunizcha]

Do you know why the argument "Evolution is only a theory" proves nothing? First of all, I know everyone's heard this before, but gravity is also a theory. Second, when you have independent branches of biology arriving at the same conclusion, evolution, you can't refute it. Embryology, genetics, fossil records, comparative anatomy, endogenous retroviruses, molecular biology, histology, ecology, transitional fossils, bio-geography, and animal behavior all conclude in the same unifying theory of biology, evolution. You can create phylogenetic trees from all these subjects and they all match up exactly.

Edited for typo.

Correction...it's called Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Up until Einstein's Theory of Relativity, it was called Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation. If you'd like to make your argument solid, explain the history of Universal Gravitation. Granted you are correct that scientists only have a working theory as to what makes up gravity (Graviton), but it's effect on the universe is established physical law once Einstein's space-time became accepted by the scientific community.

So yes, I understand the Scientific Method. It's the first thing you learn in the sciences. Simply speaking it's follows in this order: Observation, Hypothesis, Theory, and Law. I'm quite familiar with how it's the term "Theory" is abused by Creationists, as is Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle in dismissing the Theory of Evolution.

Theory =/=Scientific Theory

I don't think you understand why I said this answers the topic's question. Are our children learning? Obviously not.

I understood what you meant perfectly. I wasn't replying to you directly, just expanding a bit.

[Drachmar]

Do you know why the argument "Evolution is only a theory" proves nothing? First of all, I know everyone's heard this before, but gravity is also a theory. Second, when you have independent branches of biology arriving at the same conclusion, evolution, you can't refute it. Embryology, genetics, fossil records, comparative anatomy, endogenous retroviruses, molecular biology, histology, ecology, transitional fossils, bio-geography, and animal behavior all conclude in the same unifying theory of biology, evolution. You can create phylogenetic trees from all these subjects and they all match up exactly.

Edited for typo.

Correction...it's called Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Up until Einstein's Theory of Relativity, it was called Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation. If you'd like to make your argument solid, explain the history of Universal Gravitation. Granted you are correct that scientists only have a working theory as to what makes up gravity (Graviton), but it's effect on the universe is established physical law once Einstein's space-time became accepted by the scientific community.

So yes, I understand the Scientific Method. It's the first thing you learn in the sciences. Simply speaking it's follows in this order: Observation, Hypothesis, Theory, and Law. I'm quite familiar with how it's the term "Theory" is abused by Creationists, as is Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle in dismissing the Theory of Evolution.

Theory =/=Scientific Theory

I don't think you understand why I said this answers the topic's question. Are our children learning? Obviously not.

I understood what you meant perfectly. I wasn't replying to you directly, just expanding a bit.

I see....

Anyway, everyone knows that the universe was created by the flying spaghetti monster. Duh!

[Sirocco]

I've changed the title because it was bugging the hell out of me.

[Takaram]

I've changed the title because it was bugging the hell out of me.

But that totally destroys the fun of the otherwise depressing topic

[Tunizcha]

I've changed the title because it was bugging the hell out of me.

But that totally destroys the fun of the otherwise depressing topic

Aren't it?

[Buffett and Colbert]

How can one be arrogant enough to try and impose their beliefs on someone else? Also, NATIONSTATES, LEARN THE DEFINITION OF A GODDAMN THEORY!

Schools should be secular, which is not the same as atheist. A secular school, does not favour one religion, or lack of religion, over another. But now, creationists will say evolution and creationism are both theories and therefore both should be taught, I want to shoot myself. A theory, by definition, is backed by evidence. Creationism, is backed, by no evidence. It is not a theory and therefore does not merit it being taught in schools.

B & C. I agree with you, but evolution is also a theory.
You could argue that the evidence is faked.

Thousands of scientists have banded together to fool us?

EDIT-- And besides, I'd take a theory over a fairy tale any day. I by all means could be wrong. But the evidence presented now does not indicate that I am.