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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:01 am

skip it.
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Postby Nukeobis » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:05 am

Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:

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Postby Khybero » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:06 am

Can't you deport this guy to say, Iran.

Imprisoning a whole ethnic group just because some of the people who have the same majority religion are fighting against the UN in Af-Paf, blimey best ring up Sinn Fein and tell them to pack for Prison then.

It's a fail logic, its like giving Al Qaeda the bomb and telling them to bomb some other place, it simply won't work.
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Postby RoI3 » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:08 am

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:10 am

RoI3 wrote:Plural? No apostrophe? :blink:

I don't need your class to graduate, man...although I'm going to delete it because it serves even less purpose than this thread, so if you'd be so kind...
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby RoI3 » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:18 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
RoI3 wrote:Plural? No apostrophe? :blink:

I don't need your class to graduate, man...

:lol: Sorry.
although I'm going to delete it because it serves even less purpose than this thread, so if you'd be so kind...

I thought the post was amusing, but tever
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Postby Messonia » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:22 am

Even IF they were all gone, there would still be groups representing and fighting for them. This is including sympathizers and apologists, as well as those who believe in their cause, many of which currently do and aren't even of Arab descent.

This is something that is complex and what you're suggesting is a bit primitive and small-minded.

There's a large group of Arabs living in America right now called the Chaldeans (Mesopotamians) from Iraq who aren't even Muslim - they are historically Christian who lived in Iraq before the Muslims invaded and now mostly live in the Detroit, Michigan area. There are a number of Iranians (Persians) in America who are Ba'hai that actually despise Islam and what their mother country has become. And over 50% of all Lebanese (Phoenicians) are Christian Arabs. My point is why lock up all middle easterners when a large percentage aren't even Muslim and who couldnt possibly believe in Islamic terrorism? Furthermore, what about the numerous people that LOOK Arab but are actually white? I know tons of people who get that a lot. :lol2:

But would they be locked up too? Did FDR lock up the Chinese along with the Japanese? In any case, FDR was a fascist in the politico-economic sense of the word, and his example(s) are not ones anyone should live by.

You could have just made this just about Muslims which I'm sure many would still find ignorant but then you'd have a lot of Dutch people agreeing with you. I mean even France and Turkey have banned the burqa so you'd actually have a lot to go on with that.

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Postby Gauthier » Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:30 am

Nukeobis wrote:Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:


So that means the Irish Republican Army are all Arabs, ETA are all Arabs, and Shining Path are all Arabs. Riiight. So on and so forth.

How come this flamebaiting and trolling thread hasn't been locked yet?
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Postby NoHolocaustHappened » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:40 am

Gauthier wrote:
Nukeobis wrote:Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:


So that means the Irish Republican Army are all Arabs, ETA are all Arabs, and Shining Path are all Arabs. Riiight. So on and so forth.

How come this flamebaiting and trolling thread hasn't been locked yet?



Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.

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Postby Post-Unity Terra » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:42 am

NoHolocaustHappened wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Nukeobis wrote:Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:


So that means the Irish Republican Army are all Arabs, ETA are all Arabs, and Shining Path are all Arabs. Riiight. So on and so forth.

How come this flamebaiting and trolling thread hasn't been locked yet?



Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.

It's alright if it isn't americans dying.

You guys are shitty allies.

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Postby Phenia » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:44 am

NoHolocaustHappened wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Nukeobis wrote:Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:


So that means the Irish Republican Army are all Arabs, ETA are all Arabs, and Shining Path are all Arabs. Riiight. So on and so forth.

How come this flamebaiting and trolling thread hasn't been locked yet?



Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.


Oh very good, the IRA didn't blow up the WTC, applause! Well done, bravo!


The IRA were still terrorists. You don't have to blow up the WTC in order to be a terrorist. Any more argument fail?

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Postby Rethan » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:49 am

NoHolocaustHappened wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Nukeobis wrote:Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:


So that means the Irish Republican Army are all Arabs, ETA are all Arabs, and Shining Path are all Arabs. Riiight. So on and so forth.

How come this flamebaiting and trolling thread hasn't been locked yet?



Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.


No they didn't. They did kill a few of us Irish though. Quite a lot of us in fact, over a very long period of time. A terrorist is a terrorist no matter who they kill.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:52 am

NoHolocaustHappened wrote:Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.


This comment is flamebaiting.

Are you really daft enough not to know what reaction this is likely to provoke from people who were impacted by IRA attacks?

I choose to believe that you're not a total fucking moron and as such label you a troll.

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Postby Niur » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:52 am

NoHolocaustHappened wrote:
NERVUN wrote:
NoHolocaustHappened wrote:
Post-Unity Terra wrote:There's not much to discuss. Your idea is moronic.


It worked good in World War Two.

No, it didn't.


Yes it did. You didn't have any Japs blowing things up from there interment camps did you?

this is a racsist slur, and it is extremely offensive. You can get deleted for this type of crap.
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Postby Aelosia » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:54 am

NoHolocaustHappened wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Nukeobis wrote:Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:


So that means the Irish Republican Army are all Arabs, ETA are all Arabs, and Shining Path are all Arabs. Riiight. So on and so forth.

How come this flamebaiting and trolling thread hasn't been locked yet?



Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.


Neither did ETA. So I guess ETA is not a terrorist organization.

By your logic, it is a good thing the WTC was blown to bits. There is not other WTC in New York or in America, so there is no going to exist another WTC bombing, nor another, new, terrorist organization. Al Quaeda is the last terrorist organization to be born.

We have just witnessed the beginning of the end to terrorism then?
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Postby Niur » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:57 am

And let me remind you all of a little something called the 442nd Infantry, the most highly decorated military unit in the history of the United States Armed Forces! And guess what! It made almost entirely of japanese americans! You want to see some of the awards they got? well here:
21 Medals of Honor (the first awarded posthumously to Private First Class Sadao Munemori, Company A, 100th Battalion, for action near Seravezza, Italy, on April 5, 1945; the others upgraded from other awards in June 2000). Recipients include:
Barney F. Hajiro
Mikio Hasemoto
Joe Hayashi
Shizuya Hayashi
Daniel K. Inouye
Yeiki Kobashigawa
Robert T. Kuroda
Kaoru Moto
Sadao Munemori
Kiyoshi K. Muranaga
Masato Nakae
Shinyei Nakamine
William K. Nakamura
Joe M. Nishimoto
Allan M. Ohata
James K. Okubo
Yukio Okutsu
Frank H. Ono
Kazuo Otani
George T. Sakato
Ted T. Tanouye
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1 Distinguished Service Medal
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Postby RoI3 » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:07 pm

NoHolocaustHappened wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Nukeobis wrote:Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:


So that means the Irish Republican Army are all Arabs, ETA are all Arabs, and Shining Path are all Arabs. Riiight. So on and so forth.

How come this flamebaiting and trolling thread hasn't been locked yet?



Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.


So, as long as a terrorist act doesn't happen on american soil - it's not a terrorist attack? :blink:
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:13 pm

Kalysk wrote:-snip-


Unfortunately despite the mods declaring that the OP started off by trolling, they're going to let the thread continue and pretty much allow the trolling to continue because people decided to salvage a discussion out of the flamebait. So we'll just have to wait until this thread blows over into an actual flame war like I predict before anything is done about it.

It's NSG's first Mod-sanctioned trolling.
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Postby United Russian State » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:27 pm

So we should kill an entire people because of worngs committed by some people? There goes earth's population.
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Postby NoHolocaustHappened » Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:29 pm

Please remove your picture spam from my serious thread. Thank you.
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Postby NoHolocaustHappened » Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:33 pm

Post-Unity Terra wrote:
NoHolocaustHappened wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Nukeobis wrote:Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:


So that means the Irish Republican Army are all Arabs, ETA are all Arabs, and Shining Path are all Arabs. Riiight. So on and so forth.

How come this flamebaiting and trolling thread hasn't been locked yet?



Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.

It's alright if it isn't americans dying.

You guys are shitty allies.


I would talk about terrorism in the UK. But i don't live there to comment on it. This is more of a topic to discuss how to stop terrorism in America, I will have to make a world plan for counter-terrorism another day.

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Postby NoHolocaustHappened » Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:35 pm

Niur wrote:And let me remind you all of a little something called the 442nd Infantry, the most highly decorated military unit in the history of the United States Armed Forces! And guess what! It made almost entirely of japanese americans! You want to see some of the awards they got? well here:
21 Medals of Honor (the first awarded posthumously to Private First Class Sadao Munemori, Company A, 100th Battalion, for action near Seravezza, Italy, on April 5, 1945; the others upgraded from other awards in June 2000). Recipients include:
Barney F. Hajiro
Mikio Hasemoto
Joe Hayashi
Shizuya Hayashi
Daniel K. Inouye
Yeiki Kobashigawa
Robert T. Kuroda
Kaoru Moto
Sadao Munemori
Kiyoshi K. Muranaga
Masato Nakae
Shinyei Nakamine
William K. Nakamura
Joe M. Nishimoto
Allan M. Ohata
James K. Okubo
Yukio Okutsu
Frank H. Ono
Kazuo Otani
George T. Sakato
Ted T. Tanouye
52 Distinguished Service Crosses (including 19 Distinguished Service Crosses which were upgraded to Medals of Honor in June 2000)
1 Distinguished Service Medal
560 Silver Stars (plus 28 Oak Leaf Clusters for a second award)
22 Legion of Merit Medals
15 Soldier’s Medals
4,000 Bronze Stars (plus 1,200 Oak Leaf Clusters for a second award; one Bronze Star was upgraded to a Medal of Honor in June 2000)
9,486 Purple Hearts


How is this relevant to arab terrorists? We already know Japanese people need the U.S., they have nothing to gain to terrorism us.

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Postby NoHolocaustHappened » Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:37 pm

RoI3 wrote:
NoHolocaustHappened wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Nukeobis wrote:Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs. :lol2:


So that means the Irish Republican Army are all Arabs, ETA are all Arabs, and Shining Path are all Arabs. Riiight. So on and so forth.

How come this flamebaiting and trolling thread hasn't been locked yet?



Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.


So, as long as a terrorist act doesn't happen on american soil - it's not a terrorist attack? :blink:


No how did you get that from the IRA? Idk what ETA is so I cant say yay or nay, but the IRA are terrorist, but this isnt about UK terrorism, this is about US terrorism.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:40 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
NoHolocaustHappened wrote:Because it's not flamebaiting and trolling good sir, now back on topic. No, but last time i checked, IRA didn't blow up world trade center.


This comment is flamebaiting.

Are you really daft enough not to know what reaction this is likely to provoke from people who were impacted by IRA attacks?

I choose to believe that you're not a total fucking moron and as such label you a troll.

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Postby Ardchoille » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:06 pm

Gauthier wrote:Unfortunately despite the mods declaring that the OP started off by trolling, they're going to let the thread continue and pretty much allow the trolling to continue because people decided to salvage a discussion out of the flamebait. So we'll just have to wait until this thread blows over into an actual flame war like I predict before anything is done about it.

It's NSG's first Mod-sanctioned trolling.


Gauthier, I expected better of you. You're a capable debater, you oppose the premise. so debate. Try dealing with it as did the other posters who've been addressing the statement in the OP, both the logic used and the arguments on which it's based. Surely you can do that.

I'm going back through the thread to clean out the recent '"you're a troll" static. If anyone's post has been deleted, take it as direct mod advice to cut it out and try to do what the guy who started this site asked you to do; which is, respond to racist/sexist/whatever remarks with posts exposing the fallacies. Abusing the poster isn't argument.

Nor is deliberately attempting to get the thread closed by turning it into a spamfest or flame war, which will not end well for those involved.
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