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True- McCarthy's statements are true, all of them. Vaccines cause autism in children.
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Sort of- Some of her points are true, but others/many are false/misleading.
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Not really- On occasions, she may be right, but overall, it's not the way it goes.
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False- It's false, she has no idea what she's talking about.
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Other- I have other opinions because Rob is feeling dull tonight and can't make good options.
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Postby Muravyets » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:25 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:
Muravyets wrote:Actually, according to the doctors on the tv this morning, it pretty much is. The most deadly flu on record was the Spanish Influenza pandemic of 1918, and according to this morning's report, to this day epidemiologists do not understand why that outbreak was so virulent. Spanish flu killed millions in a single year, but leaving out that one, apparently the numbers we see today for flu deaths are comparable to numbers from earlier decades.


I'm just speculating. But it could be because of the miracles of hygiene and nutrition. Also, not having just fought WWI may have helped the old immunity system.

The funny thing is, the 1918 flu pandemic is blank in the UK consciousness.

The war might have made a difference to people's immune systems, as well as nutrition, which has definitely improved. Air pollution, which affects lung health, too. But the weird thing is that I think people seem to lack an awareness of basic hygiene now that they had more in the past.

Of course, flu is a virus and has been hardly affected at all by medical science, but bacterial diseases most certainly have been. Antibiotics truly revolutionized human life, and despite the problems from their over-use, I would never ever want to live in a place or time that did not have them. But in those older days, when any sneeze or minor cut could kill you from infection, I think that people took sickness much more seriously. They quarantined the sick, even if only informally within the house. They rested. They stayed home if they could. They washed their hands like mad. They covered their mouths. Etc. All the things 21st century Americans now have to be taught how to do to protect us from a virus. Maybe we forgot a bit, since we had medicine to protect us from bacteria.

But since flu was a virus then just as it is a virus now, I'm guessing that the infection rates are likely to be pretty constant, regardless of conditions, and that 1918 was an anomaly, which could happen again. So what really protects us from flu, and by extension from another 1918, is prevention -- i.e. strong immune system, good nutrition, wash your hands, cover your mouth, stay home when you're sick to avoid spreading the virus.
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Postby Smunkeeville » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:27 pm

OMG I hate the anti-vaccine people. I am on a yahoo group for another health issue and there are anti-vaccine people on there. They're so stupid.

I asked a question earlier in the week about the flu shot and I got 312 replies, most of them were like this:


How about NO shots???



I choose not to do it with my kiddos and we have never gotten the flu


I also go to University of Chicago for my doctor and she said not get to it either. She said since I don't have kids and am not in school there is no need for it.


My system is so sensitive to stuff that I worry about those shots. I knew a woman who got Guillain Barre syndrome from a flu shot & seeing what she went thru scared me.


A good friend (who has some sort of gluten issue or undiagnosed celiac) received the flu mist last year. She ended up sick not long after and lost hearing in one ear.


The flumist is a LIVE vaccine. Children under a certain age spread the live vaccine for up to 2-3 weeks. (Says so in the package insert). Adults above a certain age, spread it about the same time frame. It's shown as not so effective in the very young or over 65 group. It has MSG in it... which many are sensitive to.

The other flu vaccines are inactivated, but also inefective below a certain age group, and above a certain age group. It has egg (Albumen) so if you have an allergy to that - don't get it.

Neither flu vaccines (live or inactivated) are reccommended for those with autoimmune disorders, pregnant/nursing or under/above a certain age. -- again -- in the package insert.


I am not sure what year it was, but around 1970 or so, there was an outbreak of PIGGY DOOM and a vaccine was rushed through. My dad was going to get it and my mom told him no because the rushed through vaccine worried her. then people started dying from the vaccine and more died from the vaccine than the flu. Should look this all up, but that is what my mom remembers.

Also, not sure how to see if this is true, but a friend told me yesterday that the PIGGY DOOM vaccine being made in the US is being shipped to China and that the vaccine being made in China is being shipped to the US. At first I thought that has to be wrong, sounds crazy... then realized it sure would reduce liability since who would one sue for adverse reactions? Sounds like there are people here who do their homework on vaccines and wondering if anyone else heard this?


My husband is a microbiologist, and he knows what goes into the flu shots….not pretty and most people get it even if they have the shot…depends on your bodies make up. I REFUSE to put that garbage in my body and since my kids immune systems are under attack with the celiac, I don’t give it to them either…..I don’t want to risk more health problems (maybe I read too much! LOL) I like to stay informed…



I think it’s scary when the government starts pushing certain age limits to get it…..why all of a sudden a push for the teens to get it??? Really gets me thinking and searching more of what the agenda is!



Oh, and I copy/pasted them exactly so don't bitch about the grammar.
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Postby Muravyets » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:31 pm

Smunkeeville wrote:OMG I hate the anti-vaccine people. I am on a yahoo group for another health issue and there are anti-vaccine people on there. They're so stupid.

I asked a question earlier in the week about the flu shot and I got 312 replies, most of them were like this:

<snip the :o >

Oh, and I copy/pasted them exactly so don't bitch about the grammar.

"A little learning is a dangerous thing." Those people really think they know what they're talking about, I'll bet. It's just scary how blithe people can be when they are really out of their depth.
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Postby Smunkeeville » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:38 pm

Muravyets wrote:
Smunkeeville wrote:OMG I hate the anti-vaccine people. I am on a yahoo group for another health issue and there are anti-vaccine people on there. They're so stupid.

I asked a question earlier in the week about the flu shot and I got 312 replies, most of them were like this:

<snip the :o >

Oh, and I copy/pasted them exactly so don't bitch about the grammar.

"A little learning is a dangerous thing." Those people really think they know what they're talking about, I'll bet. It's just scary how blithe people can be when they are really out of their depth.

You should hear them talk about Applied Kinesiology. I shit you not that they think it can change your DNA and "cure your very soul". So basically you go in, and they let you hold vials of stuff and if you shake too much then you're "allergic" to it, and then what they do is set you up for regular appointments to cure you of this allergy you didn't know you had. $300 for the test and $125 for each treatment (it can take up to 12!) ....... and then suddenly you're cured!

Bullshit.

My husband's grandmother is on about it. She was "allergic to peanuts" and didn't even know it until the test and then after 12 treatments she was cured! She now has no symptoms.

:palm:

She offered to pay for me to go to cure my auto-immune disorders. I asked if I could please just have the money, as I'm trying the alternative treatment called "going to Philly to see my best friend". She refused.
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Postby Muravyets » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:44 pm

Smunkeeville wrote:
Muravyets wrote:
Smunkeeville wrote:OMG I hate the anti-vaccine people. I am on a yahoo group for another health issue and there are anti-vaccine people on there. They're so stupid.

I asked a question earlier in the week about the flu shot and I got 312 replies, most of them were like this:

<snip the :o >

Oh, and I copy/pasted them exactly so don't bitch about the grammar.

"A little learning is a dangerous thing." Those people really think they know what they're talking about, I'll bet. It's just scary how blithe people can be when they are really out of their depth.

You should hear them talk about Applied Kinesiology. I shit you not that they think it can change your DNA and "cure your very soul". So basically you go in, and they let you hold vials of stuff and if you shake too much then you're "allergic" to it, and then what they do is set you up for regular appointments to cure you of this allergy you didn't know you had. $300 for the test and $125 for each treatment (it can take up to 12!) ....... and then suddenly you're cured!

Bullshit.

My husband's grandmother is on about it. She was "allergic to peanuts" and didn't even know it until the test and then after 12 treatments she was cured! She now has no symptoms.

:palm:

She offered to pay for me to go to cure my auto-immune disorders. I asked if I could please just have the money, as I'm trying the alternative treatment called "going to Philly to see my best friend". She refused.

Damn! The old lady is just not quite sucker enough. :lol:
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Postby Non Aligned States » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:47 pm

Muravyets wrote:These people have never lived in a world without vaccines. I suspect they don't even know that the diseases in question are actually fatal and contagious. They have no clue what life was like before the vaccines were developed.


There is a simple enough solution. Lock them up in a polio confinement facility. Tell them that they will share the same fate as the rest of the polio patients if they don't have the vaccine. You may include the rest of their family in the same facility for added weight.
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Postby Smunkeeville » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:57 pm

Non Aligned States wrote:
Muravyets wrote:These people have never lived in a world without vaccines. I suspect they don't even know that the diseases in question are actually fatal and contagious. They have no clue what life was like before the vaccines were developed.


There is a simple enough solution. Lock them up in a polio confinement facility. Tell them that they will share the same fate as the rest of the polio patients if they don't have the vaccine. You may include the rest of their family in the same facility for added weight.

You do realize that these are for the most part the same type of people who believe that AIDS is caused by the AIDS medications and that it's not in any way related to HIV which is "made up anyway". Right?

(also, they think their kids have double extra good immune systems because they eat oranges and have plenty of time in the sun)
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Postby Tunizcha » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:18 pm

...or how Patrick Swayze was killed by chemotherapy.
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Postby Non Aligned States » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:22 pm

Smunkeeville wrote:You do realize that these are for the most part the same type of people who believe that AIDS is caused by the AIDS medications and that it's not in any way related to HIV which is "made up anyway". Right?

(also, they think their kids have double extra good immune systems because they eat oranges and have plenty of time in the sun)


Of course. But I'd like to see them maintain that same stance when the diseases start eating away at their bodies and atrophying their muscles. It's always "my way is superior" until it you drag their faces in the mud of factual reality. And of course, around that time, they'd start begging for medication. Much like how anti-abortionists go "I'm a special case, everyone else is a sinner, so abort my pre-baby."

At that point, it would be delicious irony to throw their words right back at them, and refuse them treatment unless they publicly recant with a signed statement. After all, if you think something is bad, then you should not do it, even if not doing it kills you.

There would be less hypocrites and retards in the world if they were forced to live and die by their beliefs.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:35 pm

Smunkeeville wrote:You do realize that these are for the most part the same type of people who believe that AIDS is caused by the AIDS medications and that it's not in any way related to HIV which is "made up anyway". Right?

(also, they think their kids have double extra good immune systems because they eat oranges and have plenty of time in the sun)


I do so pity people that have to attempt educating the intellectually vacuous on basic science that they should have learned in any decent high school.

Speaking of the "lovely" state of education in America, here's another depressing anecdote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmDOodc0 ... annel_page

I got all of them right, which puts me above the 97th percentile. Acing a test that easy should not put someone into such a high categorization.
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Postby Niur » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:40 pm

What the hell is wrong with autism!? You people act like its a bad thing!
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Postby RightWingChristians » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:41 pm

A lot of Mustard indeed.

It seems she is probably sexually suggesting something as well, but im not sure what. odd facial expression.
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Postby Neu California » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:44 pm

Niur wrote:What the hell is wrong with autism!? You people act like its a bad thing!

My thoughts exactly. I didn't speak up because I seriously don't want to drag myself into a debate about autism rights tonight.
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Postby Niur » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:46 pm

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Niur wrote:What the hell is wrong with autism!? You people act like its a bad thing!

My thoughts exactly. I didn't speak up because I seriously don't want to drag myself into a debate about autism rights tonight.

Finnally someone that has a brain cell left in them..
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:53 pm

Niur wrote:What the hell is wrong with autism!? You people act like its a bad thing!


It can be, though it depends on the severity of the autism. There's Asperger's, and then there's people who can't even speak and who scream when touched.
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Postby Niur » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:57 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Niur wrote:What the hell is wrong with autism!? You people act like its a bad thing!


It can be, though it depends on the severity of the autism. There's Asperger's, and then there's people who can't even speak and who scream when touched.

Well whos laghing now, when People who just LOVE to touch eachother are getting swine flu and Aids and shingles... HA!
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Postby Neu California » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:57 pm

Niur wrote:
Neu California wrote:
Niur wrote:What the hell is wrong with autism!? You people act like its a bad thing!

My thoughts exactly. I didn't speak up because I seriously don't want to drag myself into a debate about autism rights tonight.

Finnally someone that has a brain cell left in them..

I wouldn't go that far...

...partially because of modly wrath
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Postby Niur » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:01 pm

Neu California wrote:
Niur wrote:
Neu California wrote:
Niur wrote:What the hell is wrong with autism!? You people act like its a bad thing!

My thoughts exactly. I didn't speak up because I seriously don't want to drag myself into a debate about autism rights tonight.

Finnally someone that has a brain cell left in them..

I wouldn't go that far...

...partially because of modly wrath

that is a screwer...
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Postby New Kereptica » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:02 pm

Niur wrote:
Neu California wrote:
Niur wrote:
Neu California wrote:
Niur wrote:What the hell is wrong with autism!? You people act like its a bad thing!

My thoughts exactly. I didn't speak up because I seriously don't want to drag myself into a debate about autism rights tonight.

Finnally someone that has a brain cell left in them..

I wouldn't go that far...

...partially because of modly wrath

that is a screwer...


What's a "screwer"?
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Postby Niur » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:03 pm

New Kereptica wrote:
Niur wrote:
Neu California wrote:
Niur wrote:
Neu California wrote:
Niur wrote:What the hell is wrong with autism!? You people act like its a bad thing!

My thoughts exactly. I didn't speak up because I seriously don't want to drag myself into a debate about autism rights tonight.

Finnally someone that has a brain cell left in them..

I wouldn't go that far...

...partially because of modly wrath

that is a screwer...


What's a "screwer"?

something that unfortunetly stifiles you, particularlly if it is inevitable.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:03 pm

Niur wrote:Well whos laghing now, when People who just LOVE to touch eachother are getting swine flu and Aids and shingles... HA!


There's a world of difference between "I don't really like to be touched." and screaming and reacting violently when touched. I find it rather surprising that you can't see the difference.
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Postby Niur » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:06 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Niur wrote:Well whos laghing now, when People who just LOVE to touch eachother are getting swine flu and Aids and shingles... HA!


There's a world of difference between "I don't really like to be touched." and screaming and reacting violently when touched. I find it rather surprising that you can't see the difference.

No I do, I infact used to do just that, however This will still have the same result. decreased physical contact with other human beings, which in my mind is a good thing.
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Postby Neu California » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:09 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Niur wrote:Well whos laghing now, when People who just LOVE to touch eachother are getting swine flu and Aids and shingles... HA!


There's a world of difference between "I don't really like to be touched." and screaming and reacting violently when touched. I find it rather surprising that you can't see the difference.

Though the screamers may be a small, stereotypical, minority. I'm not sure because I've literally never been able to find statistics on ratios of Low Functioning/Kanners Autism to High Functioning Autism/Aspegers.
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Postby Niur » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:11 pm

Neu California wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Niur wrote:Well whos laghing now, when People who just LOVE to touch eachother are getting swine flu and Aids and shingles... HA!


There's a world of difference between "I don't really like to be touched." and screaming and reacting violently when touched. I find it rather surprising that you can't see the difference.

Though the screamers may be a small, stereotypical, minority. I'm not sure because I've literally never been able to find statistics on ratios of Low Functioning/Kanners Autism to High Functioning Autism/Aspegers.

Its something like 85% "high functioning" 10% mid level and 5% "Low functioning"
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Postby Neu California » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:14 pm

Niur wrote:
Neu California wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Niur wrote:Well whos laghing now, when People who just LOVE to touch eachother are getting swine flu and Aids and shingles... HA!


There's a world of difference between "I don't really like to be touched." and screaming and reacting violently when touched. I find it rather surprising that you can't see the difference.

Though the screamers may be a small, stereotypical, minority. I'm not sure because I've literally never been able to find statistics on ratios of Low Functioning/Kanners Autism to High Functioning Autism/Aspegers.

Its something like 85% "high functioning" 10% mid level and 5% "Low functioning"

Not that I don't beieve you (I'm a little skeptical though), but do you have a source?
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Ostroeuropa refuses to answer this question:
Neu California wrote:do women deserve equal rights in your opinion?

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