Dumb Blonde Sayz: Vaccines Kill Ur Kidz!

[Neu California]

I think its funny they say autism like its a serious birth defect, cancer, the plague, leprosy or a predisposition to touch little boys. I mean come on, its not even as bad as tourettes syndrome.I am saying this as someone who may have a form of autism, that is currently not officially diagnosed so I am not claiming that I do, just that the theory has been proposed.

Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Even mild forms of autism, such as AS, suck total ass.

Speaking about myself: Early on it did, but nowadays, I enjoy my life. Also, what the hell prompted you to say such a thing?

[Pope Joan]

My old friend from school had a healthy little boy.
They took him in for a multiple vaccination shot.
He came home with autism and has been a severe burden to his parents ever since.

I took turns caring for him in our church nursery at the time; he would get very agitated whenever anyone came near. this was new behavior, and could be tied to that specific date.

Ok, anecdotal evidence. But it did happen.

I see no truly independent studies on the issue, only self-serving ones.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/ ... 6175.shtml

Two things make me hestitate to rule out any connection:

1. I think public health policy planners would prefer to prevent mass outbreaks of disease even if it costs a few kids a normal life.

2. Vaccines are a big money making proposition. In America, money is power.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/61874.php

http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/severyn.html

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish ... 2947.shtml

your theory can be disproven quite easily, People had autism before vaccines, and people who have never in their entire life had a vaccine for ANYTHING still get autism. If vaccienes caused it this would not be the case.

People got lung cancer before there were cigarettes. People who have never in their entire life smoked cigarettes get lung cancer. Therefore, cigarettes cannot cause lung cancer.

Or can they?

[Muravyets]

My old friend from school had a healthy little boy.
They took him in for a multiple vaccination shot.
He came home with autism and has been a severe burden to his parents ever since.

I took turns caring for him in our church nursery at the time; he would get very agitated whenever anyone came near. this was new behavior, and could be tied to that specific date.

Ok, anecdotal evidence. But it did happen.

I see no truly independent studies on the issue, only self-serving ones.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/ ... 6175.shtml

Two things make me hestitate to rule out any connection:

1. I think public health policy planners would prefer to prevent mass outbreaks of disease even if it costs a few kids a normal life.

2. Vaccines are a big money making proposition. In America, money is power.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/61874.php

http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/severyn.html

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish ... 2947.shtml

your theory can be disproven quite easily, People had autism before vaccines, and people who have never in their entire life had a vaccine for ANYTHING still get autism. If vaccienes caused it this would not be the case.

People got lung cancer before there were cigarettes. People who have never in their entire life smoked cigarettes get lung cancer. Therefore, cigarettes cannot cause lung cancer.

Or can they?

Sigh. Vaccines do not cause autism. I will tell this story only once more, because I know it won't do any good. Back in the 1950s, a certain kind of preservative that was put in vaccines was mildly toxic. Some studies suggested that there might be a connection between those preservatives and autism. It was not proven but to be safe, the preservatives were banned. There are no toxic substances in vaccines nowadays. Period. Your fears are based on a fragment of old news. Whatever problem there was has been fixed. Vaccines do not cause autism.

[Takaram]

People are stupid. Does anything else need to be said?

[Neu California]

My old friend from school had a healthy little boy.
They took him in for a multiple vaccination shot.
He came home with autism and has been a severe burden to his parents ever since.

I took turns caring for him in our church nursery at the time; he would get very agitated whenever anyone came near. this was new behavior, and could be tied to that specific date.

Ok, anecdotal evidence. But it did happen.

I see no truly independent studies on the issue, only self-serving ones.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/ ... 6175.shtml

Two things make me hestitate to rule out any connection:

1. I think public health policy planners would prefer to prevent mass outbreaks of disease even if it costs a few kids a normal life.

2. Vaccines are a big money making proposition. In America, money is power.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/61874.php

http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/severyn.html

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish ... 2947.shtml

These articles are prettyu good about exposing the downright silly history of the myth (scroll down to get to the main event):

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/07-06-20#feature

And your CBS article only focuses on two groups! There are far more than two groups saying that the "theory" is a lie. Notably the group that advanced this study: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03396.html

Oh and I love your scare tactics implying that vaccines make kids severely autistic. Quite convincing

[SD_Film Artists]

Oooh this 'McCarthy-vaccines' thing has been going around causing alot of anger amongst the Autism/Aspergers community for ages. She's just another Autism Speaks scaremongerer.

Vaccines turn your kids black!

PETA tried to pull the same trick with drinking milk.

I think its funny they say autism like its a serious birth defect, cancer, the plague, leprosy or a predisposition to touch little boys. I mean come on, its not even as bad as tourettes syndrome.I am saying this as someone who may have a form of autism, that is currently not officially diagnosed so I am not claiming that I do, just that the theory has been proposed.

Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Even mild forms of autism, such as AS, suck total ass.

Speaking about myself: Early on it did, but nowadays, I enjoy my life. Also, what the hell prompted you to say such a thing?

Second'ed.

[Neu California]

Oooh this 'McCarthy-vaccines' thing has been going around causing alot of anger amongst the Autism/Aspergers community for ages. She's just another Autism Speaks scaremongerer.

Vaccines turn your kids black!

PETA tried to pull the same trick with drinking milk.

As an on again-off again member of the autistic community, I know all about this

[Rhodmhire]

The anti-vaccination movement is supremely stupid. It's the intelligent design or young earth creationism of medicine.


Or one of them. Suzanne Somers and her endorsement of bioidentical hormone replacement theory would be another example of pseudoscientific medical quackery. At least that one is harming desperate women who choose this for themselves instead of young children.

Three's Company wasn't even that good of a show.

And yes, I was actually thinking of posting a totally new thread about Somers' crackpot ideas on the subject, but I assumed it'd just be inserted into the thread naturally through watching the video and a common knowledge of idiotic blondes who think they're smarter than doctors because they've been in movies and TV shows.

Would Pamela Anderson shilling for PETA count?

Yes. In the highest degree, yes.

[Hamilay]

I think its funny they say autism like its a serious birth defect, cancer, the plague, leprosy or a predisposition to touch little boys. I mean come on, its not even as bad as tourettes syndrome.

Do you not see the irony in this statement?

[Non Aligned States]

Sigh. Vaccines do not cause autism. I will tell this story only once more, because I know it won't do any good. Back in the 1950s, a certain kind of preservative that was put in vaccines was mildly toxic. Some studies suggested that there might be a connection between those preservatives and autism. It was not proven but to be safe, the preservatives were banned. There are no toxic substances in vaccines nowadays. Period. Your fears are based on a fragment of old news. Whatever problem there was has been fixed. Vaccines do not cause autism.

It occurs to me that the Taliban in the Swat valley, Pakistan, were ranting and raving about vaccines being a western invention to sterilize Muslims. Perhaps this mental midget of a mom and them are not very different. I wonder how she would like the comparison.

[Neu California]

I think its funny they say autism like its a serious birth defect, cancer, the plague, leprosy or a predisposition to touch little boys. I mean come on, its not even as bad as tourettes syndrome.

Do you not see the irony in this statement?

No...

...a little...

...only if you're specifically referring to LFAs...

...more explanation may be necessary

[Hamilay]

I think its funny they say autism like its a serious birth defect, cancer, the plague, leprosy or a predisposition to touch little boys. I mean come on, its not even as bad as tourettes syndrome.

Do you not see the irony in this statement?

No...

...a little...

...only if you're specifically referring to LFAs...

...more explanation may be necessary

Allbeama is complaining about how people make uninformed judgements about autism, thus stigmatising people with the condition (unless I'm completely misinterpreting his statement). He then goes on to do exactly the same thing with Tourette's Syndrome.

Suggesting that autism is not really a problem and nobody should be worried about it is stupid and harmful. There are certainly some forms of autism which aren't of massive consequence, but there are also many forms of autism which do seriously impair normal functioning and should be properly treated if possible.

Now, suggesting that all autism = horrible and bad is also stupid, but I suspect a large number of people who supposedly do this are strawmen invented by people who take the aforementioned position.

[Zicrious]

1st things first.

Calling her a dumb blonde is offensive, I don't how many dumb blondes you claim to have seen, it's still offensive to other blondes.

2nd.

I don't know which vaccine she is referring to but ones like the 'swine flu vaccine' are dangerous if they are untested and being rushed at the last minute to combat a flu that is pretty much harmless. I couldn't care less about how much the media has hyped it, facts are facts, most of the people who died from it had other underlying health problems, I even had it and so did my best friend. He got over it in 3 days and I got over it in 2 days.


It's no more dangerous than the normal flu which we all get at some point, on a final note I'd be more worried about a rushed and untested drug.

[Vetalia]

I don't know which vaccine she is referring to but ones like the 'swine flu vaccine' are dangerous if they are untested and being rushed at the last minute to combat a flu that is pretty much harmless. I couldn't care less about how much the media has hyped it, facts are facts, most of the people who died from it had other underlying health problems, I even had it and so did my best friend. He got over it in 3 days and I got over it in 2 days.

I think she's talking about the MMR vaccine.

[CanuckHeaven]

If only there was a vaccine for the stupid ...

There is.....it is made of lead and is injected by pulling the trigger.

[Rhodmhire]

1st things first.

Calling her a dumb blonde is offensive, I don't how many dumb blondes you claim to have seen, it's still offensive to other blondes.

She's not a professional on the subject from what I know, and she has blonde hair.

Me calling her a dumb blonde is not offensive, and I'm not saying all blondes are dumb. I'm saying this woman, who happens to be blonde, is.

[Niicha]

1st things first.

Calling her a dumb blonde is offensive, I don't how many dumb blondes you claim to have seen, it's still offensive to other blondes.

2nd.

I don't know which vaccine she is referring to but ones like the 'swine flu vaccine' are dangerous if they are untested and being rushed at the last minute to combat a flu that is pretty much harmless. I couldn't care less about how much the media has hyped it, facts are facts, most of the people who died from it had other underlying health problems, I even had it and so did my best friend. He got over it in 3 days and I got over it in 2 days.


It's no more dangerous than the normal flu which we all get at some point, on a final note I'd be more worried about a rushed and untested drug.

First thing first, I'm quite sure that it's not offensive to all blondes. In light of what she is advocating, an ad hominem attack here or there is well within Rhodmhire's rights.

And no, she is not talking about the swine flu vaccine. And despite the rushed nature of this vaccine, I'm more than likely going to be a guinea pig as I have asthma and heavy environmental allergies, but that's neither here nor there. I believe, as one poster already pointed out, I believe it's the MMR vaccine along with many other childhood disease vaccines. You know, the ones that actually are dangerous to everyone? The diseases that, not much more than 100 years ago, had an extremely high mortality rate for young children.

Simply because you disagreed with the OP's original insult does not invalidate the point in the slightest.
That point being.
She is dumb.
She is blonde.
(And she advocates very risky behavior based on unfounded and frankly stupid information)

[Hobbes City and Lanos]

I had all my vaccinations, and I don't have autism. But you know what, I actually encourage this. Stupid people have sicker kids, and are less likely to pass on the stupid genes.

i have autism, NOT from a vaccine.

idiots that claim vaccines cause autism can go to hell.

[Taeshan]

More like Dumb blondes kill your kids.

[CanuckHeaven]

I don't know which vaccine she is referring to but ones like the 'swine flu vaccine' are dangerous

Thank you Dr. Zicrious, now if you could supply some proof that the 'swine flu vaccine' is dangerous, I just might consider that you know what you are talking about.

if they are untested and being rushed at the last minute to combat a flu that is pretty much harmless.

Proof that the vaccine is "untested" and proof that the swine flu is "pretty much harmless".

I couldn't care less about how much the media has hyped it, facts are facts, most of the people who died from it had other underlying health problems,

Your point?

I even had it and so did my best friend. He got over it in 3 days and I got over it in 2 days.

A 2 person case study....I am totally impressed!!

It's no more dangerous than the normal flu

Again, some proof is required.

which we all get at some point,

We do? I have been taking flu shots for the past 7 years and thank God.....I am not getting the flu like I used to get.

on a final note I'd be more worried about a rushed and untested drug.

Again, you suggest that the vaccine is "untested"......your proof?

[Muravyets]

1st things first.

Calling her a dumb blonde is offensive, I don't how many dumb blondes you claim to have seen, it's still offensive to other blondes.

2nd.

I don't know which vaccine she is referring to but ones like the 'swine flu vaccine' are dangerous if they are untested and being rushed at the last minute to combat a flu that is pretty much harmless. I couldn't care less about how much the media has hyped it, facts are facts, most of the people who died from it had other underlying health problems, I even had it and so did my best friend. He got over it in 3 days and I got over it in 2 days.


It's no more dangerous than the normal flu which we all get at some point, on a final note I'd be more worried about a rushed and untested drug.

The funny thing is that in the tv report that informed me that infection and death rates from flu viruses have been pretty stable over time (up to about 90,000 hospitalized with up to about 30,000 dead per year) if we discount the Spanish flu of 1918, also was informing us that the swing flu is likely to blow over with too much fuss from now on. In the first outbreak of this strain of flu, it behaved anomalously, attacking and sickening young, otherwise healthy people to a greater degree than other flu viruses and more than the very young or the very old. But its virulence has not been as bad as feared, so now the experts are thinking that if we all follow the basic hygiene rules and stay home when we're sick, we should be able to avoid bad outcomes from this flu. And that is good news, since there will likely not be enough doses of the vaccine to cover the whole population.

However, that said, I must point out that although we are constantly bombarded with advice to get seasonal flu shots, in fact, the only people who really need to get them are the elderly and people with seriously suppressed immune systems, since those are the people more likely to die of flu.

[CanuckHeaven]

However, that said, I must point out that although we are constantly bombarded with advice to get seasonal flu shots, in fact, the only people who really need to get them are the elderly and people with seriously suppressed immune systems, since those are the people more likely to die of flu.

It appears that the CDC disagrees with your conclusions:

The groups recommended to receive the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine include:

Pregnant women because they are at higher risk of complications and can potentially provide protection to infants who cannot be vaccinated;

Household contacts and caregivers for children younger than 6 months of age because younger infants are at higher risk of influenza-related complications and cannot be vaccinated. Vaccination of those in close contact with infants younger than 6 months old might help protect infants by “cocooning” them from the virus;

Healthcare and emergency medical services personnel because infections among healthcare workers have been reported and this can be a potential source of infection for vulnerable patients. Also, increased absenteeism in this population could reduce healthcare system capacity;

All people from 6 months through 24 years of age

Children from 6 months through 18 years of age because cases of 2009 H1N1 influenza have been seen in children who are in close contact with each other in school and day care settings, which increases the likelihood of disease spread, and

Young adults 19 through 24 years of age because many cases of 2009 H1N1 influenza have been seen in these healthy young adults and they often live, work, and study in close proximity, and they are a frequently mobile population; and,

Persons aged 25 through 64 years who have health conditions associated with higher risk of medical complications from influenza.

When in doubt, check in with a professional.

[Muravyets]

It appears that the CDC disagrees with your conclusions:

The groups recommended to receive the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine include:

Pregnant women because they are at higher risk of complications and can potentially provide protection to infants who cannot be vaccinated;

Household contacts and caregivers for children younger than 6 months of age because younger infants are at higher risk of influenza-related complications and cannot be vaccinated. Vaccination of those in close contact with infants younger than 6 months old might help protect infants by “cocooning” them from the virus;

Healthcare and emergency medical services personnel because infections among healthcare workers have been reported and this can be a potential source of infection for vulnerable patients. Also, increased absenteeism in this population could reduce healthcare system capacity;

I forgot these due to being slightly tipsy. Yes, people who are frequently exposed to infection and are at risk of spreading it to people who could be at greater risk of death or serious damage from it, should take the vaccine to avoid getting sick themselves.

All people from 6 months through 24 years of age

Children from 6 months through 18 years of age because cases of 2009 H1N1 influenza have been seen in children who are in close contact with each other in school and day care settings, which increases the likelihood of disease spread, and

Young adults 19 through 24 years of age because many cases of 2009 H1N1 influenza have been seen in these healthy young adults and they often live, work, and study in close proximity, and they are a frequently mobile population; and,

These seem specific to the H1N1 (swine) flu, which as I stated before behave anomalously in that it attacks younger people who are otherwise healthy more than other flu viruses normally do. However, when I said what I did about who really needs flu shots, I was talking about regular seasonal flu shots, not H1N1.

Persons aged 25 through 64 years who have health conditions associated with higher risk of medical complications from influenza.

When in doubt, check in with a professional.

[/quote]
That last one is the same as the "people with seriously suppressed immune systems" I mentioned before.

[New Xania]

As a person who was diagnosed with asperger's syndrome in 2002 when I was 12 (I'm 19 now) I'd have to say asperger's syndrome may present a challenge but overall I'd say it's benefited me.

1. Autism is not a disease. It is a neurological disorder.

2. Autism is not contagious otherwise I would be standing in times square spraying everyone with my blood so they would get it.

3. What that lady in the original post is saying is absolute nonsense and anyone following her advice is putting their child in danger. She needs to be silenced and taken away from kids before she causes further harm.

[Mirkana]

Jenny McCarthy is a traitor to the human race. She is aiding our enemies (diseases).

Species traitor.