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Referenda for treaty ratification?

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I want a vote on all treaties my country is party to
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13%
I want a vote on some of the treaties my country is party to
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25%
I'm happy for the government to ratify treaties on my behalf
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38%
I am a beautiful and unique snowflake and require my own poll option
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13%
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTREATY
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13%
 
Total votes : 8

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Ifreann
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Referenda for treaty ratification?

Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:05 pm

As you may or may not be aware the Irish people are due to vote on the Lisbon Treaty in a few weeks. No other European nation has done this. Indeed, they do not necessarily get a vote on any treaty their government chooses to ratify. Irish law requires than the constitution be amended in order for the treaty to be ratified, which can only be done by referendum. No doubt this quirk of Irish law is the bane of assorted politicians, but recently a friend of mine(in the course of a drunken debate/yelling match re:Lisbon) commented that he likes that the Irish people get to vote on treaties such as this, and would like it if this were true of the rest of Europe. FWIW I loudly retorted that he was getting off topic and then wandered off to drink some wine.

In an effort to do the impossible and bring new content to NSG, I bring this issue to you, good NSGers. Would you prefer your country's laws gave you a vote on the ratification of treaties?

I, for one, have yet to be convinced either way, perhaps slightly leaning towards leaving treaties to the government. But, on the other hand, treaties are generally held to be legally on par with the highest laws of the land, at least, as far as I'm aware. It's a right head scratcher, aye.

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Yootopia
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Postby Yootopia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:10 pm

Leave treaties to the government. We elected them to shape foreign policy and the like.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:16 pm

Yootopia wrote:Leave treaties to the government. We elected them to shape foreign policy and the like.


agree. Thats why we elect people. The idea of holding referenda for treaties is a bit strange.
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Maurepas
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Postby Maurepas » Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:22 pm

Yootopia wrote:Leave treaties to the government. We elected them to shape foreign policy and the like.

I agree, but, Im afraid Im a unique snowflake, lol...As this particular treaty is more, or maybe just different, than foreign policy, as it would modify the workings of a Union which Ireland is a part of, and not a foreign entity to...


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