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Postby 1000 Cats » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:20 am

Looks like summer is here. :roll:

hey i jus learend something in my grd 8 history class i bet u all donno wut national socialism is
hint its wut i believe in lol
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:28 am

Tovaslavia wrote:I am a socialist who does not like the materialist values promoted by capitalism. I think the workers are severely underpaid and oppressed by the government. II hope someday we have a world where the workers labor for themselves and the society, not for their boss or corporation

If you don't believe in materialism, then why would you advocate paying people anything? Why not just give them the standard minimum satisfactory ration of everything and be done with it?
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Postby The Socialist Republic » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:31 am

I am Social Democrat.

I think that it would be impossible in this age to implement a socialist economic platform therefore I believe in reforming capitalism to uphold the values of social justice.

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Postby Vecherd » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:43 am

I guess I am a Anti-Socialist. Socialism is too oppressive.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:46 am

Vecherd wrote:I guess I am a Anti-Socialist. Socialism is too oppressive.

Yes, workers owning the business is horribly oppressive. As opposed to top-down capitalist corporations where the board are an oligarchy who can do whatever they want to their employees (at least within the statist law).

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Postby Vecherd » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:48 am

Person012345 wrote:
Vecherd wrote:I guess I am a Anti-Socialist. Socialism is too oppressive.

Yes, workers owning the business is horribly oppressive. As opposed to top-down capitalist corporations where the board are an oligarchy who can do whatever they want to their employees (at least within the statist law).


The term worker is stupid. All employees are workers, perhaps except the lazy ones. Corporations are statism and also oppressive.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:53 am

Vecherd wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Yes, workers owning the business is horribly oppressive. As opposed to top-down capitalist corporations where the board are an oligarchy who can do whatever they want to their employees (at least within the statist law).


The term worker is stupid. All employees are workers, perhaps except the lazy ones. Corporations are statism and also oppressive.

It's not stupid, it's exactly what you said.

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Postby Vera » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:54 am

Radiatia wrote:I'm a Third-Way Socialist.

Which isn't socialist at all. It's another name for "Centrist".


I thought the 'Third way' is fascism?
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Postby Vecherd » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:56 am

Person012345 wrote:
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The term worker is stupid. All employees are workers, perhaps except the lazy ones. Corporations are statism and also oppressive.

It's not stupid, it's exactly what you said.


Then why do Marxists bitch about the workers, when all people that has a job is working? They hate the rich but still bitch about their rights. Makes no sense.
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Postby Lord Tothe » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:03 am

Voluntary socialist: No one is barred from joining a socialist society, and no one is required to participate in a socialist society.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:10 am

Vecherd wrote:
Person012345 wrote:It's not stupid, it's exactly what you said.


Then why do Marxists bitch about the workers, when all people that has a job is working? They hate the rich but still bitch about their rights. Makes no sense.

In Marxism and stuff,it usually refers to the proletariat. And they don't "hate the rich", they advocate equality. I don't think the socialist stage of marxism prohibits rich people. If a business did well, all the people working in that company would become rich comparative to a company that did poorly.

Besides, Marxism's ultimate goal is communism, so they'd be speaking from a communist perspective.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:12 am

Lord Tothe wrote:Voluntary socialist: No one is barred from joining a socialist society, and no one is required to participate in a socialist society.

So capitalism? Co-operatives exist even today. And I don't know any capitalists who have actually thought about their position that advocate an absolute ban on a business operating a socialist type business model.
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Postby Westerstralia » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:16 am

I tend towards social democracy and social liberalism, its about finding a good balance between social equity and maintaining economic incentives to encourage innovation and a healthy economy.

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Postby Hippostania » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:17 am

I'm a non-socialist. Nonexistant socialism is the best form of socialism!
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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:23 am

Hippostania wrote:I'm a non-socialist. Nonexistant socialism is the best form of socialism!
Then it shouldn't exist anymore, so it isn't 'nonexistent socialism', instead its just nothing. :meh:
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Postby New Freedomstan » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:24 am

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Oh, and that translates to "Marxist-Leninist".
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Postby Lahuland » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:27 am

Socialism like other secular political ideologies is flexible, and can be mixed with other ideologies or changed. In my mind, Socialism is acceptable. But it doesn't dominate my mind. Good things from Socialism (such as: social welfare for poor people, social responsibility for workers, etc.) are fine. But I reject bad things from Socialism (such as: nationalization of corporations, etc.).
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Postby Vecherd » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:29 am

Person012345 wrote:
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Then why do Marxists bitch about the workers, when all people that has a job is working? They hate the rich but still bitch about their rights. Makes no sense.

In Marxism and stuff,it usually refers to the proletariat. And they don't "hate the rich", they advocate equality. I don't think the socialist stage of marxism prohibits rich people. If a business did well, all the people working in that company would become rich comparative to a company that did poorly.

Besides, Marxism's ultimate goal is communism, so they'd be speaking from a communist perspective.


Equality by pulling down the successful.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:34 am

Vecherd wrote:
Person012345 wrote:In Marxism and stuff,it usually refers to the proletariat. And they don't "hate the rich", they advocate equality. I don't think the socialist stage of marxism prohibits rich people. If a business did well, all the people working in that company would become rich comparative to a company that did poorly.

Besides, Marxism's ultimate goal is communism, so they'd be speaking from a communist perspective.


Equality by pulling down the successful.

Nope. Not sure how you come to that conclusion. And socialism =/= Marxism anyway. Marxism is a subset of socialism, socialism has a much wider meaning.

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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:36 am

The only way that marxism "pulls down the successful" is the same way that capitalism does - Without capitalism, the successful are those who have the force to just take what they want. When you institute an economic system you merely change the meaning of "the successful".
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Postby Lord Tothe » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:37 am

Person012345 wrote:
Lord Tothe wrote:Voluntary socialist: No one is barred from joining a socialist society, and no one is required to participate in a socialist society.

So capitalism? Co-operatives exist even today. And I don't know any capitalists who have actually thought about their position that advocate an absolute ban on a business operating a socialist type business model.

"Capitalism" only in the market anarchist sense :D
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:42 am

Ski Apache Nation wrote:What kind of socialism are you?

The kind that good Republican mothers use to scare their children at night with? This is assuming they can get out of the kitchen long enough to acknowledge their child's existence, I suppose. Or am I confusing that with the 'distant father' thing?

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Postby Quigalago » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:47 am

I like to mix and match

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Postby Kemaliste » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:18 am

State socialist, combined with Kemalist ideology. I also support Maoism (New Democratic Revolution), Revolutionary Socialism and Socialism in One Country thesis.
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Postby Cameroi » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:17 am

government justifies its existence by being of service, and otherwise stays out of the way. otherwise known as service state anonymous.

it is of service by protecting people from starving, freezing, or beating each other over the head, and by keeping infrastructure in harmony and balance with the natural environment.

and it doesn't really matter what ideology you call it or don't. there is really very little excuse for the existence of sovereignty in any form otherwise.
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