Retroactive Rape

[Raeyh]

The solution here, I think, would obviously be to just film all your sexual encounters. That way you have her giving consent on camera- both initially and screaming it throughout.

The problem with this idea is that the author suggested consent could be withdrawn after the fact.

It can't, it's that most people don't have documentation of said consent, so the person could just lie.

[Wikkiwallana]

The problem with this idea is that the author suggested consent could be withdrawn after the fact.

It can't, it's that most people don't have documentation of said consent, so the person could just lie.

Under the blogger's proposal it can. That's why the whole thing is beyond absurd.

Edit: typo

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Still, homosexuals have no NEED for sex and there is nothing purely logical about it. With heterosexuals at least the logic is there with propagating the species.

no one has a need for sex you do not die without sex, however homosexuals do have more offspring in the long run.

Yet the homosexuals are not reproducing through sex, so there is nothing LOGICAL about it. Also, source on homos having more offspring?

[Farnhamia]

no one has a need for sex you do not die without sex, however homosexuals do have more offspring in the long run.

Yet the homosexuals are not reproducing through sex, so there is nothing LOGICAL about it. Also, source on homos having more offspring?

Reproduction is not the only reason to have sex. In case you hadn't heard.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Sex did not evolve to propagate the species.

Well, not the human species. It evolved to propagate a species, millions and millions of years ago.

Reproduction already existed. Sexual reproduction evolved to safeguard offspring and also as a means of better randomizing genetic information to help spread helpful mutations through a species as opposed to just "copying" its "parent".

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Yet the homosexuals are not reproducing through sex, so there is nothing LOGICAL about it. Also, source on homos having more offspring?

Reproduction is not the only reason to have sex. In case you hadn't heard.

It is the only purely logical reason to have sex.

[Wikkiwallana]

Well, not the human species. It evolved to propagate a species, millions and millions of years ago.

Reproduction already existed. Sexual reproduction evolved to safeguard offspring and also as a means of better randomizing genetic information to help spread helpful mutations through a species as opposed to just "copying" its "parent".

I did say "propagate" and not "reproduce". Reproduction can happen without propagation. If an organism reproduces, but its offspring are at a disadvantage compared to other things in their environment, they aren't going to spread. So sex evolved to increase the chances of advantageous features, as you said, thus increasing propagation, as I said.

[Wikkiwallana]

Reproduction is not the only reason to have sex. In case you hadn't heard.

It is the only purely logical reason to have sex.

Satisfying emotional needs is highly logical.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Yet the homosexuals are not reproducing through sex, so there is nothing LOGICAL about it. Also, source on homos having more offspring?

What exactly does the word "logical" mean here? Define it.

I mean, when I use the word, I either mean "free from contradictions" or "rational in the philosophical sense." I don't see how either of these apply.

[Raeyh]

It is the only purely logical reason to have sex.

Satisfying emotional needs is highly logical.

If that were true, it would be okay to go around picking fights with people.

[Four-sided Triangles]

If that were true, it would be okay to go around picking fights with people.

Satisfying emotional needs is the only reason to do anything. Give me any action that you deem to be "logical" by your standards of what constitutes "logic," and I guarantee you that the only reason to partake of such an action is emotional.

[Raeyh]

If that were true, it would be okay to go around picking fights with people.

Satisfying emotional needs is the only reason to do anything. Give me any action that you deem to be "logical" by your standards of what constitutes "logic," and I guarantee you that the only reason to partake of such an action is emotional.

Of course, emotion is a strong force that drives people to do things. Raw emotion needs to be tempered with logic. You need to think through what you are about to do before you do it. Saying "I did it to satisfy an emotional need" would not be considered an acceptable excuse anywhere.

[Wikkiwallana]

Satisfying emotional needs is highly logical.

If that were true, it would be okay to go around picking fights with people.

You fail to distinguish between wants and needs. Let me help you out:


I don't see "fighting" anywhere on that chart. Granted that chart isn't the end all be all of such things, but it's the general introduction to the idea as currently understood.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Of course, emotion is a strong force that drives people to do things. Raw emotion needs to be tempered with logic.

Only because different emotional outcomes conflict. You want x, but getting x could risk y. The only reason you want x is emotion. The only reason you don't want y is emotion.

Saying "I did it to satisfy an emotional need" would not be considered an acceptable excuse anywhere.

That all depends on what you did.

[Four-sided Triangles]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrawVulcan

It's ironic that you're acting like this.

[Wikkiwallana]

Satisfying emotional needs is the only reason to do anything. Give me any action that you deem to be "logical" by your standards of what constitutes "logic," and I guarantee you that the only reason to partake of such an action is emotional.

Of course, emotion is a strong force that drives people to do things. Raw emotion needs to be tempered with logic. You need to think through what you are about to do before you do it. Saying "I did it to satisfy an emotional need" would not be considered an acceptable excuse anywhere.

Consensual activities, including sex, rarely need excusing.

[Wikkiwallana]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrawVulcan

It's ironic that you're acting like this.

I had just spent several minutes reading over that page waiting for the board to get some new posts to read.

[Raeyh]

Of course, emotion is a strong force that drives people to do things. Raw emotion needs to be tempered with logic. You need to think through what you are about to do before you do it. Saying "I did it to satisfy an emotional need" would not be considered an acceptable excuse anywhere.

Consensual activities, including sex, rarely need excusing.

If you didn't think it through, how can you say it was consensual? Informed consent can't be given thoughtlessly or at whim.

[Wikkiwallana]

Consensual activities, including sex, rarely need excusing.

If you didn't think it through, how can you say it was consensual? Informed consent can't be given thoughtlessly or at whim.

It can in a long term relationship. After having already having had sex with a partner several times, if you still don't know what it's likely to result in afterwards, you likely aren't smart enough to give informed consent anyway.

[Raeyh]

If you didn't think it through, how can you say it was consensual? Informed consent can't be given thoughtlessly or at whim.

It can in a long term relationship. After having already having had sex with a partner several times, if you still don't know what it's likely to result in afterwards, you likely aren't smart enough to give informed consent anyway.

Being a long-term relationship doesn't give you that right. You have to think through each situation on a case-by-case basis and determine based on your present situation.

[Forster Keys]

A fish that swallows a hook is a silly fish. A bird that eats fish, but lives in a tree, is not a water bird.

Is that some sort of koan?

It's a related saying full of meaning and highly relevant to the situation at hand.

[Strong Homogeneity]

This law sounds like an excellent idea. I often have trouble knowing which bedpost to notch after a wild night (right post for rape, left post for sex). This way I can just consolidate all of my notches. I will be a rape superstar. I don't know why we never brought this up at the last He-Man Woman-Raper's Club Meeting to Discuss Furthering Rape Culture before. We were probably too busy thinking about raping.

[Raeyh]

If that were true, it would be okay to go around picking fights with people.

You fail to distinguish between wants and needs. Let me help you out:


I don't see "fighting" anywhere on that chart. Granted that chart isn't the end all be all of such things, but it's the general introduction to the idea as currently understood.

"Self-esteem/Respect of others"

Besides, if you have family, you already have fulfilled Love/Belonging.

[Camicon]

You fail to distinguish between wants and needs. Let me help you out:


I don't see "fighting" anywhere on that chart. Granted that chart isn't the end all be all of such things, but it's the general introduction to the idea as currently understood.

"Self-esteem/Respect of others"

Besides, if you have family, you already have fulfilled Love/Belonging.

Many people are comfortable with who they are, and are not respected by other people.
Just as many people have families, but not families in which they are loved, or in which they feel they belong.

[Wikkiwallana]

You fail to distinguish between wants and needs. Let me help you out:
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I don't see "fighting" anywhere on that chart. Granted that chart isn't the end all be all of such things, but it's the general introduction to the idea as currently understood.

"Self-esteem/Respect of others"

Besides, if you have family, you already have fulfilled Love/Belonging.

A few things:
1. It's a hierarchy, the upper levels mean less if the lower levels are incomplete (although this is debated)
2. You've never heard of a dysfunctional family?
3. Did you not notice that both "sex" and "sexual intimacy" were on that chart?

Edit: typo and counting error