Retroactive Rape

[Jinos]

I have never oppressed a woman, so why should I be punished?

You're still benefiting from the system of male privilege.

You act like women don't benefit from the system of female privilege.

[Farnhamia]

No, only men can be sexist. Women generalizing about men aren't being sexist.

I sincerely hope that is a joke

If it is not, I feel sorry for you.

You're still benefiting from the system of male privilege.

Oh god just shut up already.
"System of male privilege"
That's bullshit and you know it. If anything, men are disadvantaged.

Who gets all the money in a divorce? Women.
Who can scream rape and ruin your life? Women.
Who is obligated to pay for the dinner at a date? Men
Who is obligated to buy their partner nice things? Men
Who is obligated to pay support for the child in a divorce? Men
Who always gets custody of the child in a divorce? Women
Who decides when the couple can / cannot have sex? Women

I'm not saying women are inferior to men, but god damn it FST, your arguments are completely flawed. Perhaps 60 years ago, they would be valid points. But now? No. Get over it, you are not automatically an oppressor if you have something protruding out of your pelvic area.

Having made those positive assertions and used the word "always," I assume you are prepared to back them up with facts and figures. And remember, you said "always." Take your time, be accurate.

As for the things under your spoiler, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

[Tlaceceyaya]

No, only men can be sexist. Women generalizing about men aren't being sexist.

I sincerely hope that is a joke

If it is not, I feel sorry for you.

He was informing Central Slavia of what FST would say.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

You're still benefiting from the system of male privilege.

You act like women don't benefit from the system of female privilege.

There's such a thing as female privilege?

Where is it and how do I get some?

[President Mathias]

No. Why on Earth would I acknowledge any sort of legitimacy of such an intellectually bankrupt idea with an argument? Mockery is all it deserves, and shock.

I think it's our moral duty to bend over backwards in order to help people who have been historically oppressed. If this means a few innocent men go to prison in order to greatly reduce rape, doesn't the end justify the means?

The end never justifies the means. The means must justify itself. Hitler had a grand idea, create the perfect race. No imperfections, no deformities. His means, however, could not be justified, and, therefore, his end couldn't happen because the means had no justification.

[Itanica]

I sincerely hope that is a joke

If it is not, I feel sorry for you.


Oh god just shut up already.
"System of male privilege"
That's bullshit and you know it. If anything, men are disadvantaged.

Who gets all the money in a divorce? Women.
Who can scream rape and ruin your life? Women.
Who is obligated to pay for the dinner at a date? Men
Who is obligated to buy their partner nice things? Men
Who is obligated to pay support for the child in a divorce? Men
Who always gets custody of the child in a divorce? Women
Who decides when the couple can / cannot have sex? Women

I'm not saying women are inferior to men, but god damn it FST, your arguments are completely flawed. Perhaps 60 years ago, they would be valid points. But now? No. Get over it, you are not automatically an oppressor if you have something protruding out of your pelvic area.

Having made those positive assertions and used the word "always," I assume you are prepared to back them up with facts and figures. And remember, you said "always." Take your time, be accurate.

As for the things under your spoiler, the plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

Always was the wrong wording, my apologies.
But it is most of the time, just look at recent court documents of divorces involving parents in your area.

The images under my spoiler were not intended to be a representation of the entire female gender, but rather something to show that women are not always the "oppressed ones".

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

You act like women don't benefit from the system of female privilege.

There's such a thing as female privilege?

Where is it and how do I get some?

The first instance that comes to mind is a certain Florida law, where if there is a call about domestic violence, the police are required to arrest the man regardless of circumstance.

So Florida I guess.

If you don't mind alligators, old people and Quebecois.

EDIT: Not that I'm of the camp "Oh, women have it so easy!". Just that society has obvious issues with both genders that needs to be worked out and while one has historically been in a position of power, it doesn't mean that one is more oppressed than the other. We have a lot of issues that need to be worked out.

[Wikkiwallana]

The current system is bad enough as it is without this.

Women can scream rape and the man will go to jail 90% of the time, because for some reason, the woman's word is always ultimate truth. There's several stories about this, such as the woman who gave a blowjob to a man, the man didn't do what she asked him (the woman cheated on him before), she accused him of rape and took him to court. If he had not unwittingly recorded the session, he would have gone to court. It's ridiculous how the man needed video evidence to not get sent to jail - And it all started just because the man wouldn't help the woman get an abortion from a previous relationship (She didn't want her family to know)

The current system is biased enough towards women.

Source that shit.

[Farnhamia]

There's such a thing as female privilege?

Where is it and how do I get some?

The first instance that comes to mind is a certain Florida law, where if there is a call about domestic violence, the police are required to arrest the man regardless of circumstance.

So Florida I guess.

If you don't mind alligators, old people and Quebecois.

That's to protect those men from being shot in self-defense by women who are standing their ground. It's protective custody, pure and simple.

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

The first instance that comes to mind is a certain Florida law, where if there is a call about domestic violence, the police are required to arrest the man regardless of circumstance.

So Florida I guess.

If you don't mind alligators, old people and Quebecois.

That's to protect those men from being shot in self-defense by women who are standing their ground. It's protective custody, pure and simple.

Given that it's the crazy state, I wouldn't be surprised. Though as someone who has had the crap kicked out of me by a woman close to me, it sort of strikes a nerve with me.

[The Truth and Light]

The first instance that comes to mind is a certain Florida law, where if there is a call about domestic violence, the police are required to arrest the man regardless of circumstance.

So Florida I guess.

If you don't mind alligators, old people and Quebecois.

That's to protect those men from being shot in self-defense by women who are standing their ground. It's protective custody, pure and simple.

You don't appear to know what protective custody is. You don't have to be handcuffed and go through trial in protective custody.

[Farnhamia]

That's to protect those men from being shot in self-defense by women who are standing their ground. It's protective custody, pure and simple.

You don't appear to know what protective custody is. You don't have to be handcuffed and go through trial in protective custody.

And you have no sense of humor.

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

You don't appear to know what protective custody is. You don't have to be handcuffed and go through trial in protective custody.

And you have no sense of humor.

I'm going to admit, I thought "Farn is probably joking" but also "Oh God what if she isn't"

[Jinos]

You act like women don't benefit from the system of female privilege.

There's such a thing as female privilege?

Where is it and how do I get some?

I mostly made that post to mock FST's "male privilege" claim, as most men would have the same reaction to that as most women would have when I suggest they benefit from "female privilege"

Most of the female privilege in America comes in the form of its court system. Where Jurors are more likely to pardon women on a sympathy plea ("He beat me! He deserved to die!") than men, almost as a process sentence women less harshly, send women to lower security prisons, and well, what isn't stacked in their favor in the civil courts?

[The Truth and Light]

You don't appear to know what protective custody is. You don't have to be handcuffed and go through trial in protective custody.

And you have no sense of humor.

You don't know how to make jokes, it seems.

[Yes Im Biop]

No, only men can be sexist. Women generalizing about men aren't being sexist.

I sincerely hope that is a joke

If it is not, I feel sorry for you.

You're still benefiting from the system of male privilege.

Oh god just shut up already.
"System of male privilege"
That's bullshit and you know it. If anything, men are disadvantaged.

Who gets all the money in a divorce? Women.
Who can scream rape and ruin your life? Women.
Who is obligated to pay for the dinner at a date? Men
Who is obligated to buy their partner nice things? Men
Who is obligated to pay support for the child in a divorce? Men
Who always gets custody of the child in a divorce? Women
Who decides when the couple can / cannot have sex? Women

I'm not saying women are inferior to men, but god damn it FST, your arguments are completely flawed. Perhaps 60 years ago, they would be valid points. But now? No. Get over it, you are not automatically an oppressor if you have something protruding out of your pelvic area.

O.o

Thsi si why i am glad to be Bi

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

And you have no sense of humor.

You don't know how to make jokes, it seems.

Let's not make this heated.

[Farnhamia]

That's to protect those men from being shot in self-defense by women who are standing their ground. It's protective custody, pure and simple.

Given that it's the crazy state, I wouldn't be surprised. Though as someone who has had the crap kicked out of me by a woman close to me, it sort of strikes a nerve with me.

I'm sorry for you and I would help re-attach whatever crap she knocked out of you, but I won't get into a Tahar Joblis-style argument on how many cases of domestic violence are perpetrated by women on men, who is to blame and that's why men are oppressed. Let's just not go there and talk about religion or something interesting, shall we?

[Ende]

Oh, I see. I forgot about your psychic powers.

Merely pattern recognition.

Tired, worn-out pattern recognition.

That we hate seeing over and over.

Every damn week.

I don't hate them.

I find these topics immensely interesting, even despite the fact that the rest of you consider them blogs. Inane? Yes. Strange? Yes. But incredibly interesting. I wouldn't mind ACTUALLY DEBATING FST on some of these points, y'know? But the rest of you guys are just like "blaaaauh fst blog he's an idiot". And I'd disagree. I find these threads interesting, and would prefer if they weren't shut down.

[Itanica]

The current system is bad enough as it is without this.

Women can scream rape and the man will go to jail 90% of the time, because for some reason, the woman's word is always ultimate truth. There's several stories about this, such as the woman who gave a blowjob to a man, the man didn't do what she asked him (the woman cheated on him before), she accused him of rape and took him to court. If he had not unwittingly recorded the session, he would have gone to court. It's ridiculous how the man needed video evidence to not get sent to jail - And it all started just because the man wouldn't help the woman get an abortion from a previous relationship (She didn't want her family to know)

The current system is biased enough towards women.

Source that shit.

I'll try and dig it up, I read it like 2 years ago.

[The Truth and Light]

You don't know how to make jokes, it seems.

Let's not make this heated.

I get offended when people get an attitude when you debate with them on a debate forum.

[Wikkiwallana]

http://www.menspeakup.org/42869841

This is a less emotionally-charged version of a similar proposal to the one in the OP.

This seems much more reasonable, and not at all similar to the system in the OP.

[Jerusalem and Damascus]

Given that it's the crazy state, I wouldn't be surprised. Though as someone who has had the crap kicked out of me by a woman close to me, it sort of strikes a nerve with me.

I'm sorry for you and I would help re-attach whatever crap she knocked out of you, but I won't get into a Tahar Joblis-style argument on how many cases of domestic violence are perpetrated by women on men, who is to blame and that's why men are oppressed. Let's just not go there and talk about religion or something interesting, shall we?

Oh, no. I'm just saying that our society has its own inherent societal issues with gender that it really needs to work out and I don't think it's the fault of any gender in particular. I don't think the "woman" is bearing down on man, either.

But yeah, I really don't like getting into that debate myself.

[Ende]

http://www.menspeakup.org/42869841

This is a less emotionally-charged version of a similar proposal to the one in the OP.

This seems much more reasonable, and not at all similar to the system in the OP.

No, let me explain. The system in the OP is the "Yes Model" according to the article. The proposal suggested in the article IS actually similar, but it's called the "Negotiation Model". It's just a better phrased, better thought out (and not crazy) model from the system in the OP and it's actually decently similar.

Read the article, will you?

[Wikkiwallana]

Twisty is known to be provocative. She's basically the enfant terrible of feminist blogging. Her intent is to get you to think by being shocking.

More like vache hysterique of feminist blogging.

And there's only one thing to do with a vache.