Retroactive Rape

[Norstal]

We've already established that you want to punish men that are INNOCENT, though.

I don't believe in punishment for the sake of punishment. And no, I don't want to punish people who are innocent. I simply acknowledge that innocent people will unfortunately be caught up in the system.

Then that's a stupid system, ain't it?

As for wars, well, wars aren't "systems" as much as it is a declaration of something.

[Samuraikoku]

I don't need to read the source to know that reversal of the burden of proof is in 99% of the cases, unfair. Especially when constitutional right of due process establishes as a corollary that conviction must happen when guilt is proven.

[Norstal]

I don't believe in punishment for the sake of punishment. And no, I don't want to punish people who are innocent. I simply acknowledge that innocent people will unfortunately be caught up in the system.

Do you support war? Have you ever supported a war? If so, then you support something which WILL result in the deaths of many innocent people. All wars have civilian casualties.

I've never supported a war.

Assassinations... That's something else.

We know what you did to Aldeeran.

[Erinkita]

I've never supported a war.

Assassinations... That's something else.

We know what you did to Aldeeran.

That was Grand Moff Tarkin. Dude with the scary lizard face.

[Mr Smith-]

"A false accusation of rape is a false allegation of a forcible sexual assault. Detailed investigations using differing samples and methodologies have found results ranging from 1.5% to 45% of rape accusations being false."

According to Wiki; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

I agree with the majority here, innocent until proven guilty is a far better than what that article suggests...

I've heard America has the highest % of false rape claims too.

[Wawa World]

I am very curious as to what is going through the minds of these people when the propose this.

This would not do anything good.

[Farnhamia]

"A false accusation of rape is a false allegation of a forcible sexual assault. Detailed investigations using differing samples and methodologies have found results ranging from 1.5% to 45% of rape accusations being false."

According to Wiki; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

I agree with the majority here, innocent until proven guilty is a far better than what that article suggests...

I've heard America has the highest % of false rape claims too.

I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in results that range from 1.5% to 30 times as much. And one hears a great many things about various countries. Why, I heard that there are no more than a handful of dentists in all of Great Britain.

[Galloism]

"A false accusation of rape is a false allegation of a forcible sexual assault. Detailed investigations using differing samples and methodologies have found results ranging from 1.5% to 45% of rape accusations being false."

According to Wiki; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

I agree with the majority here, innocent until proven guilty is a far better than what that article suggests...

I've heard America has the highest % of false rape claims too.

I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in results that range from 1.5% to 30 times as much. And one hears a great many things about various countries. Why, I heard that there are no more than a handful of dentists in all of Great Britain.

Well that's obviously false.

There are no dentists in Great Britain.

[Tahar Joblis]

I am very curious as to what is going through the minds of these people when the propose this.

This would not do anything good.

I think mostly sarcasm.

I have, however, caught people in the act of trying to define consent in terms of a retroactive determination here on NSG and called them out for it; and retroactive determination of consent is a very real problem. The idea that women will wake up, regret having sex with a man, and then determine retroactively that they must have been raped is, unfortunately, an all-too-real hazard, especially with the way that rape is described to young women.

[Galloism]

I've never supported a war.

Assassinations... That's something else.

We know what you did to Aldeeran.

A mass assassination is still an assassination.

[Tahar Joblis]

"A false accusation of rape is a false allegation of a forcible sexual assault. Detailed investigations using differing samples and methodologies have found results ranging from 1.5% to 45% of rape accusations being false."

According to Wiki; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

I agree with the majority here, innocent until proven guilty is a far better than what that article suggests...

I've heard America has the highest % of false rape claims too.

I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in results that range from 1.5% to 30 times as much. And one hears a great many things about various countries. Why, I heard that there are no more than a handful of dentists in all of Great Britain.

That's because the 1.5% figure has absolutely no relevance to reality. It's a political fabrication, essentially.

Some of the variation is because the standard of "false" migrates around. Feminist activists have primarily assumed that all rape accusations are true unless proven false to a very high standard of evidence. Those reacting have responded by assuming all rape accusations outside of those proven true are false (which is where you get the 90%).

Those using the standard that there's good reason to conclude that the accusation is false, such as Kanin in his 1994 study, have found figures in a more moderate and reasonable range. Kanin used a fairly high standard for falsehood - he was essentially measuring the recantation rate, the rate at which those making an accusation of rape recant their accusation - and for any other accusation, it would be accepted as a lower bound on the rate of actual falsehood.

[Indira]

No. Why on Earth would I acknowledge any sort of legitimacy of such an intellectually bankrupt idea with an argument? Mockery is all it deserves, and shock.

I think it's our moral duty to bend over backwards in order to help people who have been historically oppressed. If this means a few innocent men go to prison in order to greatly reduce rape, doesn't the end justify the means?

That's what Stalin said. And probably Hitler. Admittedly they weren't talking about rape, but the principle is the same. Of all the stupid, morally bankrupt ideas I've ever heard, this is one of the worst. So yes, I agree with what appears to be the majority here

[Farnhamia]

I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in results that range from 1.5% to 30 times as much. And one hears a great many things about various countries. Why, I heard that there are no more than a handful of dentists in all of Great Britain.

Well that's obviously false.

There are no dentists in Great Britain.

I was trying to be nice.

[Neutraligon]

I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in results that range from 1.5% to 30 times as much. And one hears a great many things about various countries. Why, I heard that there are no more than a handful of dentists in all of Great Britain.

That's because the 1.5% figure has absolutely no relevance to reality. It's a political fabrication, essentially.

Some of the variation is because the standard of "false" migrates around. Feminist activists have primarily assumed that all rape accusations are true unless proven false to a very high standard of evidence. Those reacting have responded by assuming all rape accusations outside of those proven true are false (which is where you get the 90%).

Those using the standard that there's good reason to conclude that the accusation is false, such as Kanin in his 1994 study, have found figures in a more moderate and reasonable range. Kanin used a fairly high standard for falsehood - he was essentially measuring the recantation rate, the rate at which those making an accusation of rape recant their accusation - and for any other accusation, it would be accepted as a lower bound on the rate of actual falsehood.

Did that person also include the possibility of false recantations?

[Itanica]

The current system is bad enough as it is without this.

Women can scream rape and the man will go to jail 90% of the time, because for some reason, the woman's word is always ultimate truth. There's several stories about this, such as the woman who gave a blowjob to a man, the man didn't do what she asked him (the woman cheated on him before), she accused him of rape and took him to court. If he had not unwittingly recorded the session, he would have gone to court. It's ridiculous how the man needed video evidence to not get sent to jail - And it all started just because the man wouldn't help the woman get an abortion from a previous relationship (She didn't want her family to know)

The current system is biased enough towards women.

I'm not sure I have a lot of confidence in results that range from 1.5% to 30 times as much. And one hears a great many things about various countries. Why, I heard that there are no more than a handful of dentists in all of Great Britain.

Well that's obviously false.

There are no dentists in Great Britain.

Pic related

[Condunum]

The current system is bad enough as it is without this.

Women can scream rape and the man will go to jail 90% of the time, because for some reason, the woman's word is always ultimate truth. There's several stories about this, such as the woman who gave a blowjob to a man, the man didn't do what she asked him (the woman cheated on him before), she accused him of rape and took him to court. If he had not unwittingly recorded the session, he would have gone to court. It's ridiculous how the man needed video evidence to not get sent to jail - And it all started just because the man wouldn't help the woman get an abortion from a previous relationship (She didn't want her family to know)

The current system is biased enough towards women.

Well that's obviously false.

There are no dentists in Great Britain.

Pic related

Someone obviously can't recognize a joke.

[Tahar Joblis]

That's because the 1.5% figure has absolutely no relevance to reality. It's a political fabrication, essentially.

Some of the variation is because the standard of "false" migrates around. Feminist activists have primarily assumed that all rape accusations are true unless proven false to a very high standard of evidence. Those reacting have responded by assuming all rape accusations outside of those proven true are false (which is where you get the 90%).

Those using the standard that there's good reason to conclude that the accusation is false, such as Kanin in his 1994 study, have found figures in a more moderate and reasonable range. Kanin used a fairly high standard for falsehood - he was essentially measuring the recantation rate, the rate at which those making an accusation of rape recant their accusation - and for any other accusation, it would be accepted as a lower bound on the rate of actual falsehood.

Did that person also include the possibility of false recantations?

Nope.

But then, which do you expect to be more common? Accusing, and then recanting false, or accusing, and then failing to recant even though your accusation is false?

There are clear motives women have for wanting to make a false accusation of rape, which Kanin classifies in three main categories. Creation of an alibi to defend her own reputation (generally after having sex with someone and wanting to account for it), revenge (generally in response to rejection), and attention/sympathy seeking (generally by claiming to be raped without identifying a suspect known to them).

[Absurd Ramblings]

+1

-2 each and -5 from your houses for taking any of that seriously. I'm not saying that the woman who wrote the piece and the women commenting in that thread aren't serious, because I'm sure they are. You lose points for getting butt-hurt over something you know full well will never happen, and is basically just radical feminists fantasizing.

Or is it that women should even have such thoughts that bothers you?

Something I know full well will never happen? How do I know that? In the UK, possessing a penis is required for rape to be rape. If you do not possess such an organ, it CANNOT be rape. Even with a dildo, a female is incapable of rape.

Further, they have already come dangerously close to shifting the burden of proof to the accused. How do you prove you didn't do something? How do you prove someone consented? By asking her to sign a contract before engaging in sexual activity? I know enough about women to know that a turned on woman will be immediately turned off by showing her such distrust.

No, it is not that women have such thoughts that bother me. It bothers me that ANYONE can have such thoughts. If you take a look at the site and try to post something, where there would normally be a button that says "submit" (like the button I'm about to press) they have one called "blame". Fuck 'em. LIterally.

[Huskvarneque]

No. Why on Earth would I acknowledge any sort of legitimacy of such an intellectually bankrupt idea with an argument? Mockery is all it deserves, and shock.

I think it's our moral duty to bend over backwards in order to help people who have been historically oppressed. If this means a few innocent men go to prison in order to greatly reduce rape, doesn't the end justify the means?

I don't bend over backwards for no human!!!

[The Blaatschapen]

Further, they have already come dangerously close to shifting the burden of proof to the accused. How do you prove you didn't do something? How do you prove someone consented? By asking her to sign a contract before engaging in sexual activity? I know enough about women to know that a turned on woman will be immediately turned off by showing her such distrust.
.

"Hey honey, want to dip a pen in some ink?"

[DaWoad]

Excellent idea! A woman's word should be more than enough to throw a man into jail! Its not like women have ever falsely accused anyone of rape for personal gain before ...

*sarcasm meter implodes*

Implodes? How the hell did you do that?

sarcasm meters are powered by miniture black holes... of course that means this thread has killed us all

[DaWoad]

-2 each and -5 from your houses for taking any of that seriously. I'm not saying that the woman who wrote the piece and the women commenting in that thread aren't serious, because I'm sure they are. You lose points for getting butt-hurt over something you know full well will never happen, and is basically just radical feminists fantasizing.

Or is it that women should even have such thoughts that bothers you?

Something I know full well will never happen? How do I know that? In the UK, possessing a penis is required for rape to be rape. If you do not possess such an organ, it CANNOT be rape. Even with a dildo, a female is incapable of rape.

[citation needed]

Further, they have already come dangerously close to shifting the burden of proof to the accused. How do you prove you didn't do something? How do you prove someone consented? By asking her to sign a contract before engaging in sexual activity? I know enough about women to know that a turned on woman will be immediately turned off by showing her such distrust.

didn't you read what farn wrote? Hint: it wasn't "this is teh bestest idea everz!!!"

No, it is not that women have such thoughts that bother me. It bothers me that ANYONE can have such thoughts. If you take a look at the site and try to post something, where there would normally be a button that says "submit" (like the button I'm about to press) they have one called "blame". Fuck 'em. LIterally.

1- lets not and say we didn't shall we?
2-there are small numbers of idiots in every group ever (and larger to majority numbers in some) try not to judge all based on the actions of those idiots. Otherwise, yes the person who wrote this is likely bug house nuts. Yes she represents the worst of feminism and has, frankly, become exactly what most feminists fight against.

[Absurd Ramblings]

I am very curious as to what is going through the minds of these people when the propose this.

This would not do anything good.

Many different things - all inspired by fear.

[Freelanderness]

From a feminist point of view: something like this is utterly disgusting. Until we stop treating women like they are always the victims, how can we expect people to see them as anything different?

[DaWoad]

I am very curious as to what is going through the minds of these people when the propose this.

This would not do anything good.

Many different things - all inspired by fear.

or hate, or psychological trauma or just being stupid or genuinely not realizing what it is they're proposing.