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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:33 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
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This is taken from the cracked artickel floating around her on the forum somewhere aka why modern men are trained to hate woman
We Think You're Conspiring With Our Boners to Ruin Us
... aka, Why Do You Think the Garden of Eden Story Has a Snake?

First, you need to understand something about the unique love/hate relationship men have with their penises.
Do you remember that story about police having to free a guy who got his dick stuck while humping a pool filter? Or that other guy who got stuck humping a park bench, or the other guy who got stuck humping a picnic table? Or that judge who got caught jerking off while on the bench listening to testimony?

You see this type of story come up a lot -- check your local police blotter. And they all have something in common: They're all guys.
Seriously, do a Google search for "masturbating in public library." Notice something in common with all of those stories? They're all dudes. Obviously I'm not saying women don't pleasure themselves (every single study would prove me a liar); I'm saying that men are far, far more likely to engage in extremely high-risk masturbation in public. They're more likely to do it at work, and they're more likely to do it in situations where they could go to jail.
No, it's not some rare, weird exhibitionist fetish, either. It's that they can't even wait the couple of hours it'd take to do it safely at home.


and this is taken from webmd
Hamann and his Emory colleagues used sophisticated MRI brain imaging to look into the brain activity of 28 male and female college students.

The students looked at arousing photographs of heterosexual couples engaged in sexual activity and sexually attractive opposite sex nudes and at "neutral" photographs -- pleasant pictures of men and women in nonsexual situations.

"We found that the [brain areas] amygdala and hypothalamus were more activated in men than in women when viewing identical sexual stimuli, even when females reported greater arousal," writes Hamann.

In fact, men and women both rated the erotic photographs as sexually attractive and physically arousing. Both groups also found the photos of the couples more attractive and arousing than the photographs depicting a nude person of the opposite sex.

However, in a closer look at responses to the photographs of couples -- which got the biggest arousal from both men and women -- men had greater activity in the amygdala and hypothalamus than did women, writes Hamann. Women showed no significant activation in these regions.

Men also revealed a "greater propensity" for finding even the "neutral" photographs arousing -- although to a lesser degree, reports Hamann. This pattern may reflect what other sex drive studies have found, that across all cultures men prefer sexual variety more than women, he says.


To say that we can overlook biology becouse we can think is the same as I woulld clame that you would not need to sleep becouse you could think.

You seem to misunderstand me. I'm not saying we should ignore our instincts. What I'm saying that as we are capable of judgement above and beyond those instincts, we have better decision making tools available to us, and we should use them. We should not attach moral values to something just because it is instinctual.

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:33 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:How many people keep strong documentation of every moment of their lives. I spend most of my nights at home, which, due to a lack of witnesses and paper trails, would be damned hard to prove about any specific night.


Tell me, are you this paranoid about being falsely accused of theft? Murder? Then why are you so paranoid about being falsely accused of rape, something which doesn't appear to happen all that often anyway?


Let me tick them

1: Theft cant ruin your whole damn life, and is Super easy to prove you didn't steal it.

2: Theft is not a major felony

3:Theft cant get you the chair.
Now for Rape

1: Its damn near impossible to prove Rape didn't happen if you had sex.

2: It will ruin your life Convicted or not

3: Is a WAY major offence

4: Can get you the chair, if not will get you in Prison (Probably raped, Or beaten or killed in said prison)

Seems paranoia is Justified.

Now i will ask that You FST. Don't avoid this like most logic., That you answer at Face value.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:34 pm

Hjornis wrote:
Ertae wrote:
Preventing uncontrolled sexual urges =/= staying awake...


spoiler next time would you?
anyway no

refusing chemicaly controled biological urges and nesseserites = refusing chemicaly controled biological urges and nesseserites

the need for sleep is nothing more then the chemical components in your brain that need to reset itselves

but if you dont like that one how abut this

preventing uncontrolled sexual urges = asking a drug addict to stop using drugs

In both cases it is chemical prossesses in the brain and body that controls the prossess. I have no data that to show you but I belive that most men mastrubate more often then woman. And I belive that all men does it sometimes. But I belive that you can find woman who never/rarly do it. I dont suport rape, I do not argue that it is an excuse. I am only claiming that from a biochemical perspective men are programed from puberty to have sex with as many as posible. I would also argue that if a man goes to a party, and is given the opertunity he will sleep with someone, no mather what (other then being in a comited relationship, and even then in many cases it would not have mattered) I also clame that had woman had the same urges, it would never gone more then two weeks tops between each person had sex, world wide, and the whole rape issue would be a no-issue.

To prove my point I sugest you hit up a gay website, create two profiles one as a girl and one as a man. On the male acout my guess is that in avrage three post will be sent between you and another male before sex is sugested. On the female acout way more messeges is required

and had women had the same urges the world would be a comple

Wrong on several counts. Not all men masturbate, and men are perfectly capable of turning down sex. Finally, from what I have been told, women want sex no less than men do, they just have higher standards.

Edit: fixed your broken tags
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:37 pm

New Kemet wrote:So what happens when men are raped?


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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:38 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
1000 Cats wrote:And you think we're all sponges? We're not; we're quite good as a species at picking up social cues, and at deciding what is relevant and what is not. I have a disgusting sense of humour and do make the odd rape joke, among other things. However, none of my friends have ever raped anyone, and nor have I. None of them are the least bit racist or sexist either, nor do we go around punching pregnant women in the stomach, or barbecuing fetuses, or... eh, I'll stop. The point is that there really is no 'rape culture' - their is a mindset that is common to rapists, but it has not been connected in any way to his immediate social environment, but rather his opinion on women, interpretation of certain normally neutral stimuli (ie clothing), etc. which would have their roots in early life, probably as their own gender is solidifying.


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Postby Central Slavia » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:38 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
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More like vache hysterique of feminist blogging.

And people wonder why "Twisty" has an audience. :roll:

Because she isn't the only nutcase around? Fred Phelps has an audience, for fuck's sake.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:40 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Wouldn't it be easier to just genetically engineer women to have teeth down there?

Then consent or a lack thereof would be obvious. :eek:


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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:44 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:No. Why on Earth would I acknowledge any sort of legitimacy of such an intellectually bankrupt idea with an argument? Mockery is all it deserves, and shock.


I think it's our moral duty to bend over backwards in order to help people who have been historically oppressed. If this means a few innocent men go to prison in order to greatly reduce rape, doesn't the end justify the means?


I should probably stop this But i cant' stop myself from disassembling yoru posts.


Shoudl teh ends Justify the means?

In Legal system? FUCK NO. Say it with me everyone.

In war? Sure if thats what it takes.
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Postby Lord Tothe » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:48 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
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By that logic, EVERYONE needs to be locked away in case they committed a crime, because that way at least every criminal is behind bars. Only there will be no jailers or wardens, because EVERYONE is locked up. You don't want to risk any guilty people being free, do you? [/exaggeration for satiric purposes]


In any given scenario, I would rather a guilty man be free than an innocent man be punished. Also, how did you come to the conclusion that I would prefer everyone be punished?

My response was in addition to yours, directed at the person you replied to. Sorry about the confusion. I agree entirely with your statement.
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Postby Antrema » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:48 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
The Cummunist State wrote:Guilty until proven innocent = thousands of innocents going to jail.
Also, why is the same not for men? Why is their default position yes?


Because there is no systematic rape of men by women. Women can rape men, sure, but every instance of such is an individual action. The reverse is not true. Rape of women by men is a systemic problem arising out of the structure of society. It's not simply a case of individual bad men acting out.


So if I accuse you of rape, you go to prison. No evidence whatsoever. What are you going to do about it?

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Postby Antrema » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:53 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
How do you know that she wasn't raped?



The fact that she and her mother talked about it informally after the incident? That they essentially bragged about abusing the system?


I hope she gets sent down for perjury.

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Postby Grainne Ni Malley » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:54 pm

Simple solution. A Consent Form must be signed by all participants and a witness prior to all sexual activity.

Example:

The parties involved within hereby consent to sexual activity as defined by the individual participants on said document, restricted within the dedicated date and time frame as specified by participants who have duly signed and obtained witness confirmation. Photocopies of a legal means of picture identification must be attached and initialed by consenting participants, or this contract shall be deemed null and void in a court of law.

Full Names of Consenting Individuals (be sure to include the names of all consenting individuals):

___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________

Date of Consent: _______________________

Sexual Activity Shall Commence No Sooner Than: __________________ am/pm

Sexual Activity Shall Cease No Later Than: __________________ am/pm

Sexual Activity Shall Include the Following (if a sexual activity is not listed on these lines, participating individuals may be held liable for damages and/or immediately found guilty of rape):

___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________

Sleepover Clause
Should one, or more, of the individuals listed within this document decide to have intercourse past the date and times specified within this document, a Consent Form MUST be signed for each subsequent sexual act.

I, the undersigned, hereby affirm that I have agreed to the conditions and terms of sexual activity as described above. I further maintain that I am of sound mind and under no duress at the time of this signing. (If more signatures are required, individuals must fill out a 009782-134GB Form)

Signature A _______________________________
Signature B _______________________________
Signature C _______________________________
Signature D _______________________________
Signature E _______________________________

I, the undersigned, confirm that I am a witness to the consent of the above parties to participate in willing sexual activity as described within said document. I further agree to be called upon should the context of this form come into question and testify as to the exact understanding of what sexual activity was consented to within this form.

Witness __________________________ Date___________ Time_____________
Telephone Number ____________________ Address _______________________________________

All parties listed on this form must obtain and keep a copy for their personal records. If a discrepancy is found on any individual's form, or a form cannot be provided as proof of consent, an individual may be found guilty of and held liable for charges of rape and punished to the maximum extent of the law.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:58 pm

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:Simple solution. A Consent Form must be signed by all participants and a witness prior to all sexual activity.

Example:

The parties involved within hereby consent to sexual activity as defined by the individual participants on said document, restricted within the dedicated date and time frame as specified by participants who have duly signed and obtained witness confirmation. Photocopies of a legal means of picture identification must be attached and initialed by consenting participants, or this contract shall be deemed null and void in a court of law.

Full Names of Consenting Individuals (be sure to include the names of all consenting individuals):

___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________

Date of Consent: _______________________

Sexual Activity Shall Commence No Sooner Than: __________________ am/pm

Sexual Activity Shall Cease No Later Than: __________________ am/pm

Sexual Activity Shall Include the Following (if a sexual activity is not listed on these lines, participating individuals may be held liable for damages and/or immediately found guilty of rape):

___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________

Sleepover Clause
Should one, or more, of the individuals listed within this document decide to have intercourse past the date and times specified within this document, a Consent Form MUST be signed for each subsequent sexual act.

I, the undersigned, hereby affirm that I have agreed to the conditions and terms of sexual activity as described above. I further maintain that I am of sound mind and under no duress at the time of this signing. (If more signatures are required, individuals must fill out a 009782-134GB Form)

Signature A _______________________________
Signature B _______________________________
Signature C _______________________________
Signature D _______________________________
Signature E _______________________________

I, the undersigned, confirm that I am a witness to the consent of the above parties to participate in willing sexual activity as described within said document. I further agree to be called upon should the context of this form come into question and testify as to the exact understanding of what sexual activity was consented to within this form.

Witness __________________________ Date___________ Time_____________
Telephone Number ____________________ Address _______________________________________

All parties listed on this form must obtain and keep a copy for their personal records. If a discrepancy is found on any individual's form, or a form cannot be provided as proof of consent, an individual may be found guilty of and held liable for charges of rape and punished to the maximum extent of the law.


You have such a big John Hancock :blush:
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The Blaatschapen wrote:You have such a big John Hancock :blush:


Is that a pen in your pocket, or are you just happy to consent? :p
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Postby Central Slavia » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:04 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
The Cummunist State wrote:Guilty until proven innocent = thousands of innocents going to jail.
Also, why is the same not for men? Why is their default position yes?


Because there is no systematic rape of men by women. Women can rape men, sure, but every instance of such is an individual action. The reverse is not true. Rape of women by men is a systemic problem arising out of the structure of society. It's not simply a case of individual bad men acting out.


Hmm, so men are some sort of lecherous hive mind ?
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Postby Lord Tothe » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:08 pm

Central Slavia wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Because there is no systematic rape of men by women. Women can rape men, sure, but every instance of such is an individual action. The reverse is not true. Rape of women by men is a systemic problem arising out of the structure of society. It's not simply a case of individual bad men acting out.


Hmm, so men are some sort of lecherous hive mind ?

No, only men can be sexist. Women generalizing about men aren't being sexist.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:11 pm

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:You have such a big John Hancock :blush:


Is that a pen in your pocket, or are you just happy to consent? :p


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Postby Aorum » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:13 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
I think it's our moral duty to bend over backwards in order to help people who have been historically oppressed. If this means a few innocent men go to prison in order to greatly reduce rape, doesn't the end justify the means?


I have never oppressed a woman, so why should I be punished?
The means would be wrongful imprisonment, the ends would be a legal system completely biased against men.

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Postby Aorum » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:15 pm

Lord Tothe wrote:No, only men can be sexist. Women generalizing about men aren't being sexist.


Is that a joke?
I genuinly know people who think like that and it disgusts me (them, not your joke)

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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:16 pm

Aorum wrote:I have never oppressed a woman, so why should I be punished?


You're still benefiting from the system of male privilege.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:23 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Aorum wrote:I have never oppressed a woman, so why should I be punished?


You're still benefiting from the system of male privilege.


Then explain how we have women in very important positions in the United States or they a part of the pro-male women oppression conspiracy?

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:26 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Aorum wrote:I have never oppressed a woman, so why should I be punished?


You're still benefiting from the system of male privilege.

...
If A is harassed everyday by B at the workplace and is even being blackmailed and extorted, and C murders B for use in a sacrifice to Huitzilopochtli, should A be punished for benefitting from B's death?
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:30 pm

Eh FST you missed most fo what i said. Like i said you would. Now kindly read over logic ok
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:33 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
You're still benefiting from the system of male privilege.

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If A is harassed everyday by B at the workplace and is even being blackmailed and extorted, and C murders B for use in a sacrifice to Huitzilopochtli, should A be punished for benefitting from B's death?


Yes, as A has obviously not been appeasing the great Huitzilopochtli with blood sacrifice!
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Postby Tahar Joblis » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:34 pm

Aorum wrote:
Lord Tothe wrote:No, only men can be sexist. Women generalizing about men aren't being sexist.


Is that a joke?
I genuinly know people who think like that and it disgusts me (them, not your joke)

I find this is part of the problem.

It's increasingly difficult to distinguish satire from sincerity, because there really are people who are that fucked up, as a general rule, and there is no earthly way, in the case of women generalizing about men, to come up with sufficient confirmation that they really mean it in a way that apologists won't try to claim they were being satirical all along.

Really, there are people who say Valerie Solanas was purely satirical in writing SCUM, even after she shot a man and said that the manifesto should cover all her reasons for doing so. She was pretty clearly a nutter and mentally ill, and there folks are trying to say that she was writing deep satire, rather than sincerely expressing one heck of a fucked-up view of the world.

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