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Coldest natural place in the solar system? Just look up

Postby Fiduses and Diuses » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:57 am

Space.com wrote:
The coldest place in the solar system might be closer to home than we thought.

New data from NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) suggests that permanently shadowed craters at the moon's south pole might be colder even than Pluto and the other objects in the solar system's furthest most reaches.

In its first set of measurements, announced Thursday, LRO's Diviner Lunar Radiometer Experiment, which is conducting the first global survey of the temperature of the lunar surface, found that craters along the lunar south pole that have areas permanently shielded from the sun's light (and suspected to harbor deposits of water ice) have extremely cold temperatures.

"Diviner has recorded minimum daytime brightness temperatures in portions of these craters of less than -397 degrees Fahrenheit," said David Paige, Diviner's principal investigator and a UCLA professor of planetary science. "These super-cold brightness temperatures are, to our knowledge, among the lowest that have been measured anywhere in the solar system, including the surface of Pluto."

While it may seem odd that the moon, which is much closer to the sun, could be colder than Pluto, it's not at all unexpected, one planetary scientist said. In fact, the poles of Mercury may be even colder.

"The key point is not their distance from the sun, but the fact that there are regions at the poles of the Moon and Mercury that never see the sun, and so never get heated by sunlight," said Alan Boss, of the Carnegie Institution in Washington, D.C.

"The only heat they receive is from the underlying rock, but that means only interior heat leftover from their formation or their internal radioactive decays, but in any case the local rocks are still cold because they too are free to radiate out to -263 Celsius space without getting any heat back from the sun," Boss told SPACE.com.

The news of these frigid temperatures bolsters the idea that these craters could harbor water ice, which would be a boon to any future moon bases, which could melt the water and use it for drinking, or extract hydrogen for fuel.

The ultra-low temperatures of these craters are the opposite of those at the lunar equator, which are hotter than the boiling point of water at noontime.

Lunar surface temperatures are expected to change with the seasons, and Diviner will continue to monitor and map them throughout LRO's planned one-year mission.

LRO was launched on June 18, along with its companion, the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS). LCROSS will impact one of these lunar craters, Cabeus A, on Oct. 9 to generate debris that can be analyzed for signs of water.


So what does NSG think? A decent place for a snow ball fight? Yeppie Science?
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Postby Hydesland » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:58 am

The coldest place in the solar system, even the UNIVERSE (afawk), was in a lab in Switzerland.

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Postby Aelosia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:58 am

Those scientist are lying. My heart is the coldest place in the Sol system.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:00 am

Aelosia wrote:Those scientist are lying. My heart is the coldest place in the Sol system.


Interesting, I propose we insert a temperature probe to find out.

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Postby Fiduses and Diuses » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:01 am

Hydesland wrote:The coldest place in the solar system, even the UNIVERSE (afawk), was in a lab in Switzerland.

semantics and all but title changed..

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Postby Aelosia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:03 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Aelosia wrote:Those scientist are lying. My heart is the coldest place in the Sol system.


Interesting, I propose we insert a temperature probe to find out.


I accept only if the probe is inorganic.
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Postby Call to power » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:06 am

The ultra-low temperatures of these craters are the opposite of those at the lunar equator, which are hotter than the boiling point of water at noontime.


fortunately I still have my fondue set on hand :)

Hydesland wrote:The coldest place in the solar system, even the UNIVERSE (afawk), was in a lab in Switzerland.


and thus kinder surprise was born at the only temperature the chocolate remains a stable solid
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Postby New Imperial Tyrannia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:08 am

Aelosia wrote:Those scientist are lying. My heart is the coldest place in the Sol system.


How cold?
Mine is around -200,550oC
Can you top that?
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Postby Aelosia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:11 am

New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:
Aelosia wrote:Those scientist are lying. My heart is the coldest place in the Sol system.


How cold?
Mine is around -200,550oC
Can you top that?


No it is not. Providing the forum with false data about the temperature of your heart is not helping your cause.
My ratings in the top 100:
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Postby Pedoka » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:15 am

New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:
Aelosia wrote:Those scientist are lying. My heart is the coldest place in the Sol system.


How cold?
Mine is around -200,550oC
Can you top that?

0 degrees Kelvin. I win.

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Postby New Imperial Tyrannia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:15 am

Aelosia wrote:
New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:
Aelosia wrote:Those scientist are lying. My heart is the coldest place in the Sol system.


How cold?
Mine is around -200,550oC
Can you top that?


No it is not. Providing the forum with false data about the temperature of your heart is not helping your cause.


Nor is making hypocritical remarks helping yours. Really, your heart cannot be colder than the moon anymore than mine can be. You have only proved your intelligence is substandard, nothing else.
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Postby Call to power » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:21 am

Pedoka wrote:0 degrees Kelvin. I win.


0 degrees Kelvin minus 1 ;)
The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

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Postby Aelosia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:24 am

New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:
Aelosia wrote:
New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:
Aelosia wrote:Those scientist are lying. My heart is the coldest place in the Sol system.


How cold?
Mine is around -200,550oC
Can you top that?


No it is not. Providing the forum with false data about the temperature of your heart is not helping your cause.


Nor is making hypocritical remarks helping yours. Really, your heart cannot be colder than the moon anymore than mine can be. You have only proved your intelligence is substandard, nothing else.


As it looks so far, my intelligence is directly proportional to your sense of humour, and sense of civility.

Try to tune things down, ok? No need to flamebait for such simple, and rather harmless thing. Saying that my intelligence is sub standard with such data is a deliberate effort to provoke other player into an emotional, hostile reaction.
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Aelosia is ranked 24th in the world for Most Subsidized Industry
Aelosia is ranked 25th in the world for Fastest-Growing Economies
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:24 am

It isn't possible to get to exactly zero Kelvin, but really low temperatures can be achieved in a laboratory: really low, but not exactly zero kelvin.

If the findings were real, I'd be amazed.
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Postby JuNii » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:24 am

Fiduses and Diuses wrote:So what does NSG think? A decent place for a snow ball fight? Yeppie Science?


Cool! I wonder tho... will they check the craters on the other moons? perhaps the craters on the poles of the moons of the outer planets may be colder.
on the other hand... I have another set of fingers.

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Postby New Imperial Tyrannia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:27 am

Aelosia wrote:
New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:
Aelosia wrote:
New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:
Aelosia wrote:Those scientist are lying. My heart is the coldest place in the Sol system.


How cold?
Mine is around -200,550oC
Can you top that?


No it is not. Providing the forum with false data about the temperature of your heart is not helping your cause.


Nor is making hypocritical remarks helping yours. Really, your heart cannot be colder than the moon anymore than mine can be. You have only proved your intelligence is substandard, nothing else.


As it looks so far, my intelligence is directly proportional to your sense of humour, and sense of civility.

Try to tune things down, ok? No need to flamebait for such simple, and rather harmless thing. Saying that my intelligence is sub standard with such data is a deliberate effort to provoke other player into an emotional, hostile reaction.

On the contrary, I was simply making an observation. And as for my sense of humour, I have none, so in that, at least, you have a very good point.
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Postby Czardas » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:28 am

Aelosia wrote:Try to tune things down, ok? No need to flamebait for such simple, and rather harmless thing. Saying that my intelligence is sub standard with such data is a deliberate effort to provoke other player into an emotional, hostile reaction.


Although of course such a reaction could not be provoked from someone like you, whose heart is the coldest place in the solar system.
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Postby Aelosia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:29 am

Czardas wrote:
Aelosia wrote:Try to tune things down, ok? No need to flamebait for such simple, and rather harmless thing. Saying that my intelligence is sub standard with such data is a deliberate effort to provoke other player into an emotional, hostile reaction.


Although of course such a reaction could not be provoked from someone like you, whose heart is the coldest place in the solar system.


Hence, there was no such reaction.
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Postby New Imperial Tyrannia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:32 am

Czardas wrote:
Aelosia wrote:Try to tune things down, ok? No need to flamebait for such simple, and rather harmless thing. Saying that my intelligence is sub standard with such data is a deliberate effort to provoke other player into an emotional, hostile reaction.


Although of course such a reaction could not be provoked from someone like you, whose heart is the coldest place in the solar system.

Once again, I must point out that my heart is far colder. Indeed, in reality no object can be colder than my heart, as my heart is absolute zero, the coldest tempreture attainable in the universe. Of course, my previous comment was impossible, as it was bellow absolute zero, but in this, I am serious; my heart is very, very cold.
Though on second thoughts, not quite as cold as that of my old, irritable, bloodthirsty cat whose heart breaks all barriers.
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Postby Aelosia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:33 am

New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:And as for my sense of humour, I have none, so in that, at least, you have a very good point.


So...

New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:Mine is around -200,550oC
Can you top that?


You were serious on that statement. Now I have to wonder, if that wasn't a joke or a joke follow up, if you are qualified to read a temperature measuring device, as a thermometer, for example, correctly.

And I have to remind you that observations that put into doubt the mental or cognitive abilities of a particular poster are also considered provocations to get emotional hostile reactions.
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Aelosia is ranked 24th in the world for Most Subsidized Industry
Aelosia is ranked 25th in the world for Fastest-Growing Economies
Aelosia is ranked 38th in the world for Largest Public Transport Department
Aelosia is ranked 42th in the world for Largest Publishing Industry
Aelosia is ranked 51th in the world for Largest Information Technology Sector
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Postby New Imperial Tyrannia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:36 am

Aelosia wrote:
New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:And as for my sense of humour, I have none, so in that, at least, you have a very good point.


So...

New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:Mine is around -200,550oC
Can you top that?


You were serious on that statement. Now I have to wonder, if that wasn't a joke or a joke follow up, if you are qualified to read a temperature measuring device, as a thermometer, for example, correctly.

And I have to remind you that observations that put into doubt the mental or cognitive abilities of a particular poster are also considered provocations to get emotional hostile reactions.

No, it was not a joke, just an over exaggeration.
In reality, nothing is that cold.
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Postby Czardas » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:36 am

New Imperial Tyrannia wrote:
Czardas wrote:
Aelosia wrote:Try to tune things down, ok? No need to flamebait for such simple, and rather harmless thing. Saying that my intelligence is sub standard with such data is a deliberate effort to provoke other player into an emotional, hostile reaction.


Although of course such a reaction could not be provoked from someone like you, whose heart is the coldest place in the solar system.

Once again, I must point out that my heart is far colder. Indeed, in reality no object can be colder than my heart, as my heart is absolute zero, the coldest tempreture attainable in the universe. Of course, my previous comment was impossible, as it was bellow absolute zero, but in this, I am serious; my heart is very, very cold.
Though on second thoughts, not quite as cold as that of my old, irritable, bloodthirsty cat whose heart breaks all barriers.

Well, my heart is made out of Bose-Einstein condensate and makes all of the coats I wear freeze into brittle and crumbly solids around which hydrogen solidifies into a metal.
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Postby Call to power » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:40 am

JuNii wrote:
Fiduses and Diuses wrote:So what does NSG think? A decent place for a snow ball fight? Yeppie Science?


Cool! I wonder tho... will they check the craters on the other moons? perhaps the craters on the poles of the moons of the outer planets may be colder.


somebody get me Nasa on the phone!
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:26 pm

How come you have such cool hearts?

My heart is somewhere between 37 and 38 degrees (Celsius ofcourse).
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Postby Call to power » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:36 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:How come you have such cool hearts?


smoking makes you cool.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Theoretically, why would anyone put anytime into anything but tobacco, intoxicants and sex?

Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
Not that you haven't been right before, but... Aw, hell, you get what I meant.

Tubbsalot wrote:replace my opinions with CtP's.


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