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Postby Northern Delmarva » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:57 am

So today, while I was sick, I decided to go on teh wikipediaz because i sometimes get this strange desire to want to know about random stuff. Today that random stuff happened to be early American political parties' ideologies. So one thing led to another and I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_whig_party. I thought this looked like a pretty interesting up and coming party to watch, and so I decided to make this topic asking you NSG'ers what you think about this new party.

Opinions? Thoughts?
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Postby Milks Empire » Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:07 am

Just what we need... another neoliberal authoritarian party. :palm:
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Postby Northern Delmarva » Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:12 am

Milks Empire wrote:Just what we need... another neoliberal authoritarian party. :palm:


Is that what they call moderates nowadays? :p
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Postby Milks Empire » Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:14 am

Northern Delmarva wrote:
Milks Empire wrote:Just what we need... another neoliberal authoritarian party. :palm:

Is that what they call moderates nowadays? :p

Both the Democrats and Republicans are in the neoliberal-authoritarian quadrant of the political graph. A party that sits between the two would, by default, have to be in the same quadrant.

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Postby H N Fiddlebottoms VIII » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:25 pm

So 30,000 members is "mainstream" now?
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:28 pm

I'm one of those 30,000 members. Considering how new the party is, we're not doing badly.
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Postby Wilgrove » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:28 pm

Sorry Modern Whig Party, but Libertarians are already the centralist party, and we got more people.

Go see if The Constitution Party need help.

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Postby Yootopia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:31 pm

Seems like a pretty pish party. If you're developing indigenous sources of energy, a 'strong defence force' is kind of unnecessary since you're not going to be bombing the shit out of people for oil and the like.
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Postby Tech-gnosis » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:32 pm

# States' rights - "Each state can determine its course of action based on local values and unique needs."
# Social progression - "Government should refrain from legislating morality."

These two tenets are contradictory.

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Postby Yootopia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:32 pm

Wilgrove wrote:Sorry Modern Whig Party, but Libertarians are already the centralist party

Libertarians are not centralists.
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Postby Tezdrian » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:34 pm

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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:34 pm

Yootopia wrote:Seems like a pretty pish party. If you're developing indigenous sources of energy, a 'strong defence force' is kind of unnecessary since you're not going to be bombing the shit out of people for oil and the like.


right, because oil is the only reason anybody has ever gone to war.
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Postby Yootopia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:36 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Seems like a pretty pish party. If you're developing indigenous sources of energy, a 'strong defence force' is kind of unnecessary since you're not going to be bombing the shit out of people for oil and the like.


right, because oil is the only reason anybody has ever gone to war.

Obviously not, but it's one of the better reasons to do so today.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:37 pm

So on the day the Republican party finally tears itself apart the Whigs and Libertarians can fight a battle to the death to be America's new second party?
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Postby Wilgrove » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:38 pm

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:So on the day the Republican party finally tears itself apart the Whigs and Libertarians can fight a battle to the death to be America's new second party?


Libertarians would win, *nods*

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Postby Maurepas » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:40 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:So on the day the Republican party finally tears itself apart the Whigs and Libertarians can fight a battle to the death to be America's new second party?


Libertarians would win, *nods*

I disagree, I think the Democrats would, ;)

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Postby Tech-gnosis » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:41 pm

Wilgrove wrote:Libertarians would win, *nods*


If it did it would be very different from what it currently is.

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Postby H N Fiddlebottoms VIII » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:41 pm

Yootopia wrote:Seems like a pretty pish party. If you're developing indigenous sources of energy, a 'strong defence force' is kind of unnecessary since you're not going to be bombing the shit out of people for oil and the like.

The word "defense" would seem to be pretty key there. You know, as in, not "offense" or "mercenary."
The military also provides other services, beyond defense, such as employment, education, and looking nice at parades.
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Postby Zeetopolis » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:42 pm

I'm sympathetic. Not yet old enough to vote :D , but it looks like I identify with a lot of their tenets.

I'll see how things are when I come of age. It looks like the Republican Party is slipping away and I don't want to be hanging on to a capsized boat while the world leaves without me.
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Postby Yootopia » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:43 pm

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Seems like a pretty pish party. If you're developing indigenous sources of energy, a 'strong defence force' is kind of unnecessary since you're not going to be bombing the shit out of people for oil and the like.

The word "defense" would seem to be pretty key there. You know, as in, not "offense" or "mercenary."

To quote one of our generals (whose name I forget) talking about the MoD, "Defence is the name, attack's the game".
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Postby Lucky Bicycle Works » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:41 pm

Positioning the party between the Democrats and the Republicans is like trying to get between two mating jellyfish.

Fiscal responsibility and strong national defence. Yep, they've got that ground all to themselves ...
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Postby Rhodmhire » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:47 pm

I've been asked to join before, although I know nothing about it and never bothered to look into it, from what I've shared on teh Internetz, it seems as though I might qualify.

However, I can't confirm nor deny that, since I haven't even bothered to look into it, and I doubt it'd change much if I did.
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Postby Rhodmhire » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:49 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Seems like a pretty pish party. If you're developing indigenous sources of energy, a 'strong defence force' is kind of unnecessary since you're not going to be bombing the shit out of people for oil and the like.


right, because oil is the only reason anybody has ever gone to war.


No, you're wrong on that one.

It's more like a combination--oil, and a sense that a country needs to give aid to every single nation it thinks requires military intervention.

At least, so the tale is told.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:53 pm

A little too focused on the military for my tastes. After a while you have to start justifying all that 'might' and that's where you start to get into trouble.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:05 pm

Rhodmhire wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Seems like a pretty pish party. If you're developing indigenous sources of energy, a 'strong defence force' is kind of unnecessary since you're not going to be bombing the shit out of people for oil and the like.


[sarcasm]right, because oil is the only reason anybody has ever gone to war.[/sarcasm]


No, you're wrong on that one.

It's more like a combination--oil, and a sense that a country needs to give aid to every single nation it thinks requires military intervention.

At least, so the tale is told.


I'm sorry. I forgot my sarcasm tags on my statement. fixed.

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