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Postby Saint Jade IV » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:04 pm

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Dennis Ferguson is a convicted paedophile who completed his 14 year sentence and was subsequently run out of several towns on his release by outraged community members. Personally, I think it is dangerous to allow this type of vigilantism to continue unchecked, as the police seemingly are doing. He is now in an undisclosed location for his own safety.

To me, this highlights the issues inherent in Megan's Law type initiatives, where communities are notified. It creates and perpetuates an outrage that causes the target to feel outcast and therefore more inclined to act on his urges.

While the community fear is understandable, the types of actions taken are disgusting and dangerous.

The mob mentality and the resultant consequences create a situation where the community will eventually turn on itself as we have seen happen already with the stabbing of a man outside the target's home.

What does NSG think? Where should paedophiles be relocated? Should communities be sanctioned for vigilantist responses in these situations? Should communities even be notified that these people are moving into their midst or does it simply create the lynch mob?
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:07 pm

I don't think people ought to be notifies. Its not as though we force convicted murderers to do the same. Its a complete double standard, and generally just makes life difficult for those tyring to rebuild their lives after prison.
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Postby Peddieville » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:10 pm

I believe that there are homes for those recently released from prison to go and live with other ex-cons for support, so it's not like they don't have any choices. I don't think the public should be informed unless absolutely neccesary, ie. a repeat offender or someone who perpetrated a particularly heinous crime.
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:13 pm

Saint Jade IV wrote:Linky

Dennis Ferguson is a convicted paedophile who completed his 14 year sentence and was subsequently run out of several towns on his release by outraged community members. Personally, I think it is dangerous to allow this type of vigilantism to continue unchecked, as the police seemingly are doing. He is now in an undisclosed location for his own safety.


Disgusting, but hardly surprising. Everyone who's been watching the news knows that society doesn't extend human rights to "undesirables."

To me, this highlights the issues inherent in Megan's Law type initiatives, where communities are notified. It creates and perpetuates an outrage that causes the target to feel outcast and therefore more inclined to act on his urges.

While the community fear is understandable, the types of actions taken are disgusting and dangerous.

The mob mentality and the resultant consequences create a situation where the community will eventually turn on itself as we have seen happen already with the stabbing of a man outside the target's home.


Well, a public sex offender registry is a farce. As far as I can see it has little to do with Justice, and a great deal to do with punishment, cruelty, and "tough on crime" political posturing.

What does NSG think? Where should paedophiles be relocated? Should communities be sanctioned for vigilantist responses in these situations? Should communities even be notified that these people are moving into their midst or does it simply create the lynch mob?


I think they should generally never be let out. I will reiterate my view on the reforms the Justice System requires: it should stop imprisoning people for minor offenses and then paroling them out again as hardened criminals. Instead, prison should be reserved for serious crimes (ie, paedophilia) where the offender represents a credible threat to public safety, and in those cases it should be very hard for the offender to ever get parol, if not outright impossible in some cases.

No one should be hounded by vigilantism or state encouragement of the same after they have been let out. If they've "paid their debt" and they're safe to let out, they should be free to go about their lives. If they're a serious threat, they shouldn't be out at all.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:14 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:I don't think people ought to be notifies. Its not as though we force convicted murderers to do the same. Its a complete double standard, and generally just makes life difficult for those tyring to rebuild their lives after prison.


It's a double standard with a Puritannical basis. Even child murderers don't get as much attention or notification requirements as anyone who's even just accused of a sex crime, especially if children are mentioned to be involved. If you want to see just how much a disproportionate treatment sex offenders receive in comparison to robbers, burglars or even those convicted of violent crimes look up the Julia Tuttle Causeway online.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:14 pm

Peddieville wrote:I believe that there are homes for those recently released from prison to go and live with other ex-cons for support, so it's not like they don't have any choices. I don't think the public should be informed unless absolutely neccesary, ie. a repeat offender or someone who perpetrated a particularly heinous crime.


Unless they're in the Miami Area, in which case it's the Julia Tuttle Causeway for all of them.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:17 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:Well, a public sex offender registry is a farce. As far as I can see it has little to do with Justice, and a great deal to do with punishment, cruelty, and "tough on crime" political posturing.


And considering just how disproportionate a crime or misdemeanor can force one to register as a Sex Offender, this should be alarming. However, it's always a case of the It's Not Happening To Me disease at an epidemic level when it comes to the treatment of Sex Offenders post-sentence.
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Postby Peddieville » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:17 pm

Gauthier wrote:Unless they're in the Miami Area, in which case it's the Julia Tuttle Causeway for all of them.

What's wrong with sleeping under a cause way? It's nicer then most of Camden.
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Postby Peddieville » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:20 pm

Gauthier wrote:And considering just how disproportionate a crime or misdemeanor can force one to register as a Sex Offender, this should be alarming.

I remember a story I was told about a kid with Downs who was using a urinal for the first time. A guy got into the stall next to him. The kid looked over and, not knowing what else to say, said "Nice penis." He is going to have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:23 pm

Ah the joys of people mixing vengence and revenge with justice.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:24 pm

Peddieville wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Unless they're in the Miami Area, in which case it's the Julia Tuttle Causeway for all of them.

What's wrong with sleeping under a cause way? It's nicer then most of Camden.


The Julia Tuttle Causeway has become a shantytown penal colony for all Sex Offenders in Miami City. "Nice" is being euphemistic even in the most optimistic residency.
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Postby Peddieville » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:25 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Peddieville wrote:What's wrong with sleeping under a cause way? It's nicer then most of Camden.

The Julia Tuttle Causeway has become a shantytown penal colony for all Sex Offenders in Miami City. "Nice" is being euphemistic even in the most optimistic residency.

Yeah, I agree. I was just making a Jersey joke. :p
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Postby Tekania » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:29 pm

I'm opposed to sex-offender registries...

I'm opposed to so-called "vigilante justice"...
Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby Samatolian City-States » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:33 pm

NERVUN wrote:Ah the joys of people mixing vengence and revenge with justice.

What revenge? In most cases, the guy never hurt any of them personally.
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Postby Hobbes City and Lanos » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:38 pm

Sometimes, the requirements to be classified as a sex offender are just too stupid.
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Postby Samatolian City-States » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:39 pm

Hobbes City and Lanos wrote:Sometimes, the requirements to be classified as a sex offender are just too stupid.

This is incredibly true. Two years apart in age does not a sex offender make.
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Postby Peddieville » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:39 pm

Hobbes City and Lanos wrote:Sometimes, the requirements to be classified as a sex offender are just too stupid.

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Postby Hobbes City and Lanos » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:57 pm

Samatolian City-States wrote:
Hobbes City and Lanos wrote:Sometimes, the requirements to be classified as a sex offender are just too stupid.

This is incredibly true. Two years apart in age does not a sex offender make.


In Texas, you must be 17 to consent legally to sex.
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:38 pm

Peddieville wrote:I believe that there are homes for those recently released from prison to go and live with other ex-cons for support, so it's not like they don't have any choices. I don't think the public should be informed unless absolutely neccesary, ie. a repeat offender or someone who perpetrated a particularly heinous crime.


They don't exist in Australia to the same degree. Furthermore, if such offenders wish to reintegrate into society, such living arrangements make life extremely difficult.
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Postby Allrule » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:44 pm

Peddieville wrote:
Gauthier wrote:And considering just how disproportionate a crime or misdemeanor can force one to register as a Sex Offender, this should be alarming.

I remember a story I was told about a kid with Downs who was using a urinal for the first time. A guy got into the stall next to him. The kid looked over and, not knowing what else to say, said "Nice penis." He is going to have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.

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Postby Hobbes City and Lanos » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:06 pm

Allrule wrote:
Peddieville wrote:
Gauthier wrote:And considering just how disproportionate a crime or misdemeanor can force one to register as a Sex Offender, this should be alarming.

I remember a story I was told about a kid with Downs who was using a urinal for the first time. A guy got into the stall next to him. The kid looked over and, not knowing what else to say, said "Nice penis." He is going to have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.

BULLSHIT!


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Postby SaintB » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:12 am

I personally think that only law enforcement agencies should be aware of the whereabouts of sex offenders to avoid this kind of violence and vigilantism that too often takes place because of these kind of laws.
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Postby Call to power » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:24 am

the community should be put on the sex offender register and see if they like it
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:33 am

I think in my opinion, paedophiles should be sent to a reform institution where they are educated thoroughly not to do it again. The most hardened paedophiles can stay in jail. I know it is hard to convince the community that paedophiles have a chance to return to the community. I'm not even sure if sending paedophiles to a special island would help because if it becomes a paradise then it would just attract more people to do it. So, a dilemma here.

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