Abortion

[IshCong]

Which does not make her an idiot.

No it doesn't but it does make her ignorant of her own body.

Also, if a woman doesn't notice that she has missed 3 periods she is an idiot.

Then do not say that it does make her an idiot, if it does not, yes?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Which does not make her an idiot.

No it doesn't but it does make her ignorant of her own body.

No, it really doesn't. If her menses are irregular and she isn't exhibiting any symptoms of pregnancy, why should she think she's pregnant? Ever stopped your spite long enough to consider this? I bet not, but still.

[Condunum]

I have supplied new data constantly to this debate. I have directly answered questions you have asked and I have directly answered questions from others. You are putting using a generality on me that is not true. Absolutely false.

If you are going to be more biast than George W Bush than im finding somthing else to do.

Biased.

[IshCong]

If you are going to be more biast than George W Bush than im finding somthing else to do.

Biased.

No, no, it's 'biast' not 'biased'. I'm sure he's using 'biast' right. Probably.

[Desperate Measures]

Which does not make her an idiot.

No it doesn't but it does make her ignorant of her own body.

What is this opinion based on?

[Ningjing]

No it doesn't but it does make her ignorant of her own body.

No, it really doesn't. If her menses are irregular and she isn't exhibiting any symptoms of pregnancy, why should she think she's pregnant? Ever stopped your spite long enough to consider this? I bet not, but still.

What? Bile? I admit that I shouldn't have added the idiot part but yes, she is ignorant of her body because she doesn't know something. That is the very definition of ignorance. Have you ever thought of contributing to the topic at hand rather than attacking me?

[Saint Jade IV]

Women's lives are severely threatened by giving birth. Every time.

There is a slight chance of them dieing when they give birth, often assosiated with drugs.

Who are you to determine what risks someone may or may not take with their medical treatment? Its very easy for someone who will never be at risk of death from complications arising from pregnancy to trivialise the risk.

[Ningjing]

No it doesn't but it does make her ignorant of her own body.

What is this opinion based on?

It is based on the definition of ignorant. If something is wrong with my body I generally know right away. I could see an irregular period but if you are having sexual activity it would seem wise to at least take a pregnancy test.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No, it really doesn't. If her menses are irregular and she isn't exhibiting any symptoms of pregnancy, why should she think she's pregnant? Ever stopped your spite long enough to consider this? I bet not, but still.

What? Bile? I admit that I shouldn't have added the idiot part but yes, she is ignorant of her body because she doesn't know something. That is the very definition of ignorance. Have you ever thought of contributing to the topic at hand rather than attacking me?

No. She is not being ignorant for the reasons I have stated, already. Are you reading them, properly, or are you just back-pedaling?

[Condunum]

Actually, that's exactly what they are. They're hooking themselves into the woman's systems and using her bodily resources without her permission.

I sincerely hope you will rethink your anti-life position and join us on the pro-life side, where we value people over parasites.

I care about life. I care about ensureing every person on earth lives a long life and is not killed before he or she is born, they might be murdered in their life after their born but that is a hell of a lot better than being killed before their born, because he or she can actually defend him her self from enemies. If a fetus turns into a person like you or me why should he or she have no rights? Is he or she unworthy of life?

No it isn't, because that's removing a person from the world, instead of just a fetus.
They have rights. What they don't have is the right to stay attached to a woman who does not want them. Given that they are not a person until birth according to the SCOTUS, abortion is justifiable, because the woman has a right to protect her body.

[IshCong]

There is a slight chance of them dieing when they give birth, often assosiated with drugs.

Who are you to determine what risks someone may or may not take with their medical treatment? Its very easy for someone who will never be at risk of death from complications arising from pregnancy to trivialise the risk.

12.1 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births, according to this PDF file I've got out in front of me.
Wouldn't call it 'trivial', but wouldn't call the risk 'severe' either. Then again, 'severity' is subjective.

[Condunum]

Biased.

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No, no, it's 'biast' not 'biased'. I'm sure he's using 'biast' right. Probably.

Oh. I just spell checked because I'm not sure english is his first language. Maybe biast means "knowledgeable, and better at debates." *nod*

[Ningjing]

What? Bile? I admit that I shouldn't have added the idiot part but yes, she is ignorant of her body because she doesn't know something. That is the very definition of ignorance. Have you ever thought of contributing to the topic at hand rather than attacking me?

No. She is not being ignorant for the reasons I have stated, already. Are you reading them, properly, or are you just back-pedaling?

I can't tell if you are trolling or just being willfully idiotic. Irregular menstrual cycles don't last 9 fucking months. If someone somehow doesn't notice all the effects of pregnancy in 6 months then yes, they are ignorant. Ignorance is not necessarily negative it just means not knowing.

[Desperate Measures]

What is this opinion based on?

It is based on the definition of ignorant. If something is wrong with my body I generally know right away. I could see an irregular period but if you are having sexual activity it would seem wise to at least take a pregnancy test.

So, based on nothing really.

[IshCong]

No. She is not being ignorant for the reasons I have stated, already. Are you reading them, properly, or are you just back-pedaling?

I can't tell if you are trolling or just being willfully idiotic. Irregular menstrual cycles don't last 9 fucking months. If someone somehow doesn't notice all the effects of pregnancy in 6 months then yes, they are ignorant. Ignorance is not necessarily negative it just means not knowing.

Agreed that, by definition, they are ignorant to their pregnancy.
Disagreed that irregular menstrual cycles don't last 9 months. Though uncommon, it has happened in pubescent persons.

[The Aztec Allience]

I care about life. I care about ensureing every person on earth lives a long life and is not killed before he or she is born, they might be murdered in their life after their born but that is a hell of a lot better than being killed before their born, because he or she can actually defend him her self from enemies. If a fetus turns into a person like you or me why should he or she have no rights? Is he or she unworthy of life?

No it isn't, because that's removing a person from the world, instead of just a fetus.
They have rights. What they don't have is the right to stay attached to a woman who does not want them. Given that they are not a person until birth according to the SCOTUS, abortion is justifiable, because the woman has a right to protect her body.

A fetus is a person.

[Ningjing]

It is based on the definition of ignorant. If something is wrong with my body I generally know right away. I could see an irregular period but if you are having sexual activity it would seem wise to at least take a pregnancy test.

So, based on nothing really.

This is the part where I ask you to get to a point if you have one.

[Ningjing]

No it isn't, because that's removing a person from the world, instead of just a fetus.
They have rights. What they don't have is the right to stay attached to a woman who does not want them. Given that they are not a person until birth according to the SCOTUS, abortion is justifiable, because the woman has a right to protect her body.

A fetus is a person.

Nope. A fetus is a fetus or else they wouldn't be called a fetus.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No. She is not being ignorant for the reasons I have stated, already. Are you reading them, properly, or are you just back-pedaling?

I can't tell if you are trolling or just being willfully idiotic. Irregular menstrual cycles don't last 9 fucking months. If someone somehow doesn't notice all the effects of pregnancy in 6 months then yes, they are ignorant. Ignorance is not necessarily negative it just means not knowing.

*sigh*
If there is any show of ignorance here, it isn't the women you're referring to.

But nice flame there.

In any case, let me spell this better, because you are obviously not following.

If a woman has irregular menses, menses that do not come for months (which happens), and she is NOT exhibiting any symptoms of pregnancy (which happens too), WHY should she think she's pregnant? It is normal for her to miss periods. Conditions like having cervical cancer before ever becoming pregnant can cause this, for several years even.

Get it, or must I rephrase it again?

[The Aztec Allience]

A fetus is a person.

Nope. A fetus is a fetus or else they wouldn't be called a fetus.

A fetus is a person without a fully developed body. Who are you to decide who is a person and who is not?

[Saint Jade IV]

Born children do not have the right to live at the expense of someone else's bodily tissues. An 8 year old girl with leukaemia cannot, by law, force her mother to donate bone marrow, even if not donating means that little girl will die. And bone marrow donation is far, far less dangerous, and carries far, far fewer short and long term side effects than pregnancy. Why should a foetus be allowed to demand the use of a woman's uterus and blood to prolong it's life, when a born child cannot?

I do not think that is fair. That should be changed. Where both have rights.

You think that people should be forced to donate their tissues and organs?

[IshCong]

Nope. A fetus is a fetus or else they wouldn't be called a fetus.

A fetus is a person without a fully developed body. Who are you to decide who is a person and who is not?

Who are you to do the same?

[Desperate Measures]

So, based on nothing really.

This is the part where I ask you to get to a point if you have one.

Just that you are talking from the gut. There are plenty of cases where the woman was caught by surprise late in her pregnancy.
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[IshCong]

I can't tell if you are trolling or just being willfully idiotic. Irregular menstrual cycles don't last 9 fucking months. If someone somehow doesn't notice all the effects of pregnancy in 6 months then yes, they are ignorant. Ignorance is not necessarily negative it just means not knowing.

*sigh*
If there is any show of ignorance here, it isn't the women you're referring to.

But nice flame there.

In any case, let me spell this better, because you are obviously not following.

If a woman has irregular menses, menses that do not come for months (which happens), and she is NOT exhibiting any symptoms of pregnancy (which happens too), WHY should she think she's pregnant? It is normal for her to miss periods. Conditions like having cervical cancer before ever becoming pregnant can cause this, for several years even.

Get it, or must I rephrase it again?

She did not know she was pregnant. Thus she was ignorant, as she did not know something.
The fact that she did not know is not her fault, however, as it was merely a case of mistaken information.
It is not a negative implication, in that sense of the word.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

*sigh*
If there is any show of ignorance here, it isn't the women you're referring to.

But nice flame there.

In any case, let me spell this better, because you are obviously not following.

If a woman has irregular menses, menses that do not come for months (which happens), and she is NOT exhibiting any symptoms of pregnancy (which happens too), WHY should she think she's pregnant? It is normal for her to miss periods. Conditions like having cervical cancer before ever becoming pregnant can cause this, for several years even.

Get it, or must I rephrase it again?

She did not know she was pregnant. Thus she was ignorant, as she did not know something.
The fact that she did not know is not her fault, however, as it was merely a case of mistaken information.
It is not a negative implication, in that sense of the word.

The implication of ignorance, in the way the poster implied, had negative connotations. It's as simple as that.