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Which president would you change & why?

$1 George Washington
3
4%
$2 Thomas Jefferson
2
2%
$5 Abraham Lincoln
1
1%
$20 Andrew Jackson
36
44%
$50 U.S. Grant
16
20%
$500 William McKinley
2
2%
$1000 Grover Cleveland
4
5%
$5000 James Madison
1
1%
$100,000 Woodrow Wilson
12
15%
$10,$100,or $10,000 Hamilton,Franklin,or Chase
5
6%
 
Total votes : 82

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Keferum
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Postby Keferum » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:57 pm

Takaram wrote:
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Takaram wrote:Jackson. While I approved of his elimination of the national debt, the Trail of Tears was unforgivable.

The Trail of Tears was quite possibly the worst injustice ever carried out by the U.S. government. He really shouldn't get to be on the 20.


I still think that Jackson should have been shot for this.


Know what happened to the last guy who tried that?

Jackson beat that wimp up with, you guessed it, a hickory stick.
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An archy
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Postby An archy » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:03 pm

Takaram wrote:I still think that Jackson should have been shot for this.


He did get shot.
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Some people have asked, If you could go back in time and kill Hitler before he came to power, would you do it? Noone ever asked that question about Andrew Jackson, because he'd only survive and become an even crazier lunatic.
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Postby Lacadaemon » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:05 pm

An archy wrote:
Takaram wrote:I still think that Jackson should have been shot for this.


He did get shot.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=544

Some people have asked, If you could go back in time and kill Hitler before he came to power, would you do it? Noone ever asked that question about Andrew Jackson, because he'd only survive and become an even crazier lunatic.


He's probably still alive somewhere. Waiting...

Mind you he was the only president who ever managed to stand up to the financial services lobby, so he probably deserves to be on the money somewhere.
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Postby An archy » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:30 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:He's probably still alive somewhere. Waiting...

Mind you he was the only president who ever managed to stand up to the financial services lobby, so he probably deserves to be on the money somewhere.

He also, arguably, committed genocide. The genocide argument is really one of semantics. He authorized unjustified and unnecessary violent force that led to the deaths of thousands of people. In short, he was the most evil president we've had.
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:34 pm

An archy wrote: In short, he was the most evil president we've had.
I dunno about that.

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Postby An archy » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:35 pm

Gauntleted Fist wrote:
An archy wrote: In short, he was the most evil president we've had.
I dunno about that.

Truman?
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Postby Gopferdammi » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:47 pm

An archy wrote:
Gauntleted Fist wrote:
An archy wrote: In short, he was the most evil president we've had.
I dunno about that.

Truman?

You could make a claim that he was directly responsible for some pretty fucked up warcrimes, but genocide is in my opinion in quite another league.

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Postby NotRust » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:48 pm

I think you should start by adding a colour to the bills that isn't green.

That said, apart from Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Jackson, Grant and Franklin, they're all nobodies.

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Postby Lacadaemon » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:48 pm

An archy wrote:
Lacadaemon wrote:He's probably still alive somewhere. Waiting...

Mind you he was the only president who ever managed to stand up to the financial services lobby, so he probably deserves to be on the money somewhere.

He also, arguably, committed genocide. The genocide argument is really one of semantics. He authorized unjustified and unnecessary violent force that led to the deaths of thousands of people. In short, he was the most evil president we've had.


Well yeah. But everyone has their good points too. That's all I'm saying. Even Hitler liked animals or someshit.
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Postby An archy » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:53 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:
An archy wrote:
Lacadaemon wrote:He's probably still alive somewhere. Waiting...

Mind you he was the only president who ever managed to stand up to the financial services lobby, so he probably deserves to be on the money somewhere.

He also, arguably, committed genocide. The genocide argument is really one of semantics. He authorized unjustified and unnecessary violent force that led to the deaths of thousands of people. In short, he was the most evil president we've had.


Well yeah. But everyone has their good points too. That's all I'm saying. Even Hitler liked animals or someshit.

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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:55 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:
Tsa-la-gi Nation wrote:
Lacadaemon wrote:Henry Paulson should go on the new $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bill.

Would Goldman Sachs stock symbol be on the back?


No need. They'll be issuing the notes themselves. It will say Goldman Sachs note. Geithner will be on the new penny.


Hehe, screw that. Instead of a physical symbol for currency, put a wafer thin organic LCD screen where this would be shown, and implant a radio chip inside of it. Then we can have a currency that automatically adjusts itself for inflation!

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Postby Cosmera » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:58 pm

Reagan on the 100, FDR on the 50, and JFK on the 10
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Postby Delator » Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:25 pm

If I were able, I'd redo more than just one...

Penny - Hamilton
Nickel - Jefferson
Dime - FDR
Quarter - Washington

$1 - Madison
$5 - Lincoln
$10 - TR
$20 - Paine
$50 - Adams
$100 - Franklin
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Postby Tsa-la-gi Nation » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:51 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Tsa-la-gi Nation wrote:
Takaram wrote:
Peddieville wrote:
Takaram wrote:Jackson. While I approved of his elimination of the national debt, the Trail of Tears was unforgivable.

The Trail of Tears was quite possibly the worst injustice ever carried out by the U.S. government. He really shouldn't get to be on the 20.


I still think that Jackson should have been shot for this.

I vote we dig him up..then shoot him! :eek:
(Sorry, I'm Indian....I get a little sensitive about Jackson)


We could always rework this classic from a $5 into a $20. It features Chief Running Antelope of the Hunkpapa Sioux.

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This is pretty cool. I must admit, I didn't know anything about any native americans on currency before the sacagawea silver dollar. Of course there was the indian head penny, but what kind of shit was that! Just a genaric indian face on a coin, imagine if they did that with a black guy, we would have recalled them all, & take them out of circulation. If native americans just had the numbers that african americans had today (& some unity), they could advance their civil rights as well. It's such a shame! :(

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Postby Lucky Bicycle Works » Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:02 am

Pictures on the money is stupid and infantile.

Each note should be unique. And no "money transfer" should be legal without reference to (ie verifiable possession of) a unique note or notes.

The anonymity of money is precisely what is evil about money. And it's not hard to fix.

It would put a spoke in the wheel of bankers, too. They have the power to mint currency (to create bargainable assets at no cost -- ie, mint currency) and they would not have that power if 'money' was strictly defined as unique treasury notes.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:41 am

Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:Pictures on the money is stupid and infantile.

Each note should be unique. And no "money transfer" should be legal without reference to (ie verifiable possession of) a unique note or notes.

The anonymity of money is precisely what is evil about money. And it's not hard to fix.

It would put a spoke in the wheel of bankers, too. They have the power to mint currency (to create bargainable assets at no cost -- ie, mint currency) and they would not have that power if 'money' was strictly defined as unique treasury notes.


Gotta disagree with your first statement. It is neither. What do you base your statement on, besides personal prejudice?

Also, having each and every individual piece of currency be unique, and to force each person to verify possession every time something is purchased would be, well, problematic at best, and most likely unworkable except with a complete, and very expensive, makeover of the entire financial system by every retailer, bank, and individual person.

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Postby OverMedicatedSquirrels » Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:47 am

Delator wrote:If I were able, I'd redo more than just one...

Penny - Hamilton
Nickel - Jefferson
Dime - FDR
Quarter - Washington

$1 - Madison
$5 - Lincoln
$10 - TR
$20 - Paine
$50 - Adams
$100 - Franklin


Sounds good. I'm all for Thomas Paine replacing that unkillable monster on the 20
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Postby Erich Dahmer » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:13 pm

I would replace Washington with Albert Gallatin.

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I bet no one will get this.

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Postby Sitspot » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:21 pm

Forget the presidents. Allow companies to buy advertising space on them instead. The Coca Cola 5$ bill, The McDonalds 99c bill and what about the Trojan special $1.50 coin?
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:21 pm

of course, we could always dig a little deeper for older designs, like the pre-civil war days when it was banks that issued the currency, not the government. Quite a diversity of design. A few what we would consider odd denominations as well.


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Postby Krypton-Zod » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:21 pm

Peddieville wrote:Grant was a perfectly capable leader. Just not anything special. It's just that compared to the Union generals who came before him, he was a genius. He used the North's industrial might to his advantage, and didn't make stupid mistakes. Sherman never gets any of the credit for winning the war, even though his victory at Vicksburg, and the subsequent drive south, was one of the turning points for the Union. He has been harshly criticized by modern scholars for his "scorched earth" policies.

EDIT: He knew how and to whom to delegate, I'll give him that


Grant was the first general in charge who realized it was a war of attrition and North would thus beat the South simply by persisting.

That, and a cascade of failures, bad luck and bad decisions by Lee at Gettysburg. Lee really missed a senior general on his staff who could translate Lee's broad directives into specific orders. Isaac Trimble would've been perfect for that. The death of Jackson at Chancellorsville was a major blow to Lee, and it cost him a chance of victory. Other commanders were not so able as Jackson was and Lee failed to understand that other generals needed more specific orders rather than the broad directives Lee used to give Jackson.
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Postby Krypton-Zod » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:24 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:of course, we could always dig a little deeper for older designs, like the pre-civil war days when it was banks that issued the currency, not the government.


Do the words 'Federal Reserve' mean anything to you?

W. Wilson was one of the worst presidents ever. And yes, the two issues are connected.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:27 pm

Krypton-Zod wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:of course, we could always dig a little deeper for older designs, like the pre-civil war days when it was banks that issued the currency, not the government.


Do the words 'Federal Reserve' mean anything to you?


umm....... yes. I've been a coin and banknote collector for about 40 years now, so I have done a fair bit of study. I showed those notes as an example of fine engraved design, not an advocation of returning to the bank issued system. so sorry you couldn't see that.
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Postby Taeshan » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:51 pm

I would change Washintgton to like a million dollar bill and Put George Bush Jr. on the 1 because that about how much his whole presidency is worth. I would also make a 25 with like Adams or someone.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:18 pm

How about we keep partisan BS out of at least one topic instead of trying to insinuate it into every damn thing on the forum?
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