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Postby Fiduses and Diuses » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:05 pm

Wall Street Journal wrote:WASHINGTON -- The House of Representatives approved legislation Thursday that would effectively end private-lender involvement in the student-loan market, establishing the federal government as the sole provider of college loans.

The bill introduces sweeping changes to the U.S. higher-education system and serves as the third central plank of President Barack Obama's domestic agenda.

Similar to the continuing efforts at overhauling health care, the changes to the federal government's higher-education policies would have a serious effect on the bottom line for private-sector players currently serving the marketplace.

The House vote was 253-to-171, largely along party lines.

Under the legislation, all lenders would be cut out of the market for originating loans. There would still be a role for private banks and lenders to bid for a limited number of contracts to service the loans after they are made by the government.

The Federal Family Education Loan Program, wherein the government guarantees loans made by private lenders, remains the single largest source of college loans. Lenders made related loans for students at 4,465 schools for the 2008-09 academic years. Loan volume totalled $74 billion, up 13% from a year earlier.

For companies like SLM Corp., better known as Sallie Mae, the proposed changes are already having an impact. This week, Fitch Ratings downgraded Sallie Mae to triple-B-plus status and called its outlook negative.

Sallie Mae's shares were recently trading down more than 2% at $9.

"Today the House made a clear choice to stop funneling vital taxpayer dollars through board rooms and start sending them directly to dorm rooms," Rep. George Miller (D., Calif.), the chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, said.

The Obama administration would use anticipated savings from the measure to increase grants for low-income students, boost funding for minority student groups, provide money for school construction with a small portion left over to pay down the deficit.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said that ending fees paid to private lenders would save the taxpayer $87 billion over the next decade.

An alternative proposal floated by a group of lenders including Sallie Mae would realize the same level of savings, the CBO said.

In the Senate, staff on the Health Education Labor and Pensions Committee are drafting legislation that is similar to the House version, according to a Senate democratic aide.

The Senate bill would also end private-lender origination of loans, the aide said, leaving the federal government as the sole provider of college loans.

The House vote comes after more than two years of turmoil for the student-loan industry.

In 2007, Congress reduced government payments to lenders making federally guaranteed student loans by more than $20 billion.

The resulting cut in profits came just as credit markets were beginning to seize up, eventually making it nearly impossible for lenders to package student loans into securities and sell them to investors, a key source of liquidity in the student-loan market.

Complaining that the business is no longer profitable, more than 180 lenders have exited all or part of the federal student-loan program since the fall of 2007.

Still, remaining lenders have fought against the changes, arguing that providing loans to students is among the best ways to establish a relationship with new clients that could lead to more lucrative business in the future.

Passage of the legislation would require the Department of Education to accommodate about 4,000 schools by next July 1. And those schools would have to have their processing systems prepared well before that because most financial aid packages are typically distributed in the spring.

Lending experts at some of the largest schools in the country, such as Pennsylvania State University, have argued they won't have sufficient time to make the transition to a government-run lending program.

Having lined up additional contractors to handle the anticipated increase in direct-loan volume, federal officials say they are prepared. Absent an unanticipated breakdown in the system, industry observers say borrowers are unlikely to notice the shift.

House lawmakers attached a measure to the student-loan bill ending all federal government funding of the community-organizing group Acorn -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. The group has long been in the crosshairs of Republicans but more recently has been accused of widespread fraud and other illegal activities.


So what does NSG think? Good way to save money for taxpayers? Was it an underhand tactic to attach the ending of ACORN funding to this?
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Postby New Kereptica » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:06 pm

Earmarks in general tend to be underhanded.
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Postby Taeshan » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:09 pm

New Kereptica wrote:Earmarks in general tend to be underhanded.


Isn't that the point, so noone can figure it out untill to late, or so you dont have to make a whole new bill.
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Postby The Norse Hordes » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:09 pm

I approve of this decision.
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:11 pm

Couldn't they have waited until after I got done with college before fucking things up? :eyebrow:

(But, no, I suppose not. Had to do it in my freshman year so they can start getting it right the year after I graduate.)

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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:21 pm

I'd like to withhold support from for-profit schools that are not accredited.

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Postby Vetalia » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:10 pm

So, is this getting rid of the ability of private lenders to lend to students or is it just cutting out the middle-man that takes federal dollars to do the same thing? There's a big difference between the former, which would be idiotic, and the latter, which just plain makes sense.
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Postby UNIverseVERSE » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:13 pm

The Article wrote:<snip>

"Today the House made a clear choice to stop funneling vital taxpayer dollars through board rooms and start sending them directly to dorm rooms," Rep. George Miller (D., Calif.), the chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, said.

<snip>


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Postby Lacadaemon » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:13 pm

Vetalia wrote:So, is this getting rid of the ability of private lenders to lend to students or is it just cutting out the middle-man that takes federal dollars to do the same thing? There's a big difference between the former, which would be idiotic, and the latter, which just plain makes sense.


I believe it's just expanding the direct loan thing, and eliminating the guarantee system. I'll bet banks will still be used for the servicing though.

If it's what I think it is, I don't really have a problem with it. It's not like it was ever a free market anyway because the fedgov guaranteed the loans regardless.

Though frankly it would be better if the whole system was eliminated.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:17 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:I believe it's just expanding the direct loan thing, and eliminating the guarantee system. I'll bet banks will still be used for the servicing though. If it's what I think it is, I don't really have a problem with it. It's not like it was ever a free market anyway because the fedgov guaranteed the loans regardless.

Though frankly it would be better if the whole system was eliminated.


Yeah, I don't care if they're just consolidating things; it makes no sense to pay money to banks to lend to students when the government could just make the loans itself. I would have a serious problem with the government banning private student loans outright, not the least because that would do nothing but create a predatory lending environment that would penalize banks at the expense of far shadier businesses offering their loans for a higher, black-market price.
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Postby Lacadaemon » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:22 pm

Vetalia wrote:Yeah, I don't care if they're just consolidating things; it makes no sense to pay money to banks to lend to students when the government could just make the loans itself. I would have a serious problem with the government banning private student loans outright, not the least because that would do nothing but create a predatory lending environment that would penalize banks at the expense of far shadier businesses offering their loans for a higher, black-market price.


I don't think that this effects private loans at all. Though in all honesty the government should reform their treatment in bankruptcy. (I suspect it will have to do that at some point).

But honestly, the government should never have gotten involved in the student loan market in the first place, it's created (as usual) all sorts of distortions. And like fannie and freddie, it hasn't helped the people it was supposed to help.

(Also, the large colleges who are keen on these sorts of loan burdens should be sharing the credit risk if necessary, not the taxpayer).
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:27 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:I don't think that this effects private loans at all. Though in all honesty the government should reform their treatment in bankruptcy. (I suspect it will have to do that at some point).

But honestly, the government should never have gotten involved in the student loan market in the first place, it's created (as usual) all sorts of distortions. And like fannie and freddie, it hasn't helped the people it was supposed to help.

(Also, the large colleges who are keen on these sorts of loan burdens should be sharing the credit risk if necessary, not the taxpayer).


All true. If the government were really serious about helping people attend college, it would be using grants and scholarships as well as rather than give out loans. There is no reason why they can afford to give out so much money to guarantee loans when they could avoid the need to guarantee loans (as well as avoid the damage to student credit scores and increase post-graduation opportunities) by simply providing outright grants to qualifying students.

If the grant money isn't enough, then it's time to look to loans and other debt financing. A capable student shouldn't have to incur tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to pursue an education that will deliver many times that amount in added output and tax revenue over their working life.
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Postby Brewdomia » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:30 pm

Great Idea.


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