Gay gene

[Salandriagado]

One cannot remove a "gay gene". One could, theoretically, remove genes that increase the probability of homosexuality. However, this does not stop people being homosexual. Identical genetics does not imply identical characteristics.

We're assuming this off of the topic hypothetical that there was one gay gene that completely determined one's sexuality.

Now you see, the OP doesn't state that. It states that there will be a gene which will drastically effect the probability of being homosexual. There is no gene that completely determines one's sexuality.

[Iuuvic]

I see, so this is not just a hypothetical its an unttainable hypothetical.

It's not unnatainable. Just very hard.

It's perfectly reasonable compared to some "Respected" ideologies.

Nope, you just can't controll everything and everything plays with epigenetic principles...

And there is nothing respectable about this 'ideology' of yours.

[Milennias]

Yes I would definitely support it.

[Hallistar]

We're assuming this off of the topic hypothetical that there was one gay gene that completely determined one's sexuality.

Now you see, the OP doesn't state that. It states that there will be a gene which will drastically effect the probability of being homosexual. There is no gene that completely determines one's sexuality.

It doesn't state probabilities in the OP, it only indicated that it would be one or the other. I know there is no gene that completely determines one's sexuality.

[Wazkyraque]

Yes I would definitely support it.

Why?

[Hallistar]

It's not unnatainable. Just very hard.

It's perfectly reasonable compared to some "Respected" ideologies.

Nope, you just can't controll everything and everything plays with epigenetic principles...

And there is nothing respectable about this 'ideology' of yours.

Why is there nothing respectable about it?

[The Emerald Legion]

It's not unnatainable. Just very hard.

It's perfectly reasonable compared to some "Respected" ideologies.

Nope, you just can't controll everything and everything plays with epigenetic principles...

And there is nothing respectable about this 'ideology' of yours.

And if you rip genetics out of the matter entirely?

What if we learn to make AI? What about downloading human minds into computers?

Both theoretically possible. And either one would screw your absolute statement up.

[Naftahstan]

Hey, just to point something out, if there's a gay gene then there HAS to be a straight gene, eh. So why don't we just remove that... Dumbass.

[Ovisterra]

Hey, just to point something out, if there's a gay gene then there HAS to be a straight gene, eh. So why don't we just remove that... Dumbass.

Because if you removed the straight gene entirely then our species would die out, and most people don't want that.

[Iuuvic]

Nope, you just can't controll everything and everything plays with epigenetic principles...

And there is nothing respectable about this 'ideology' of yours.

Why is there nothing respectable about it?

You would attempt to control every aspect of everything, even the smallest thinga like what is eaten when it is and how much of it is eaten. What you drink, when you pee, when you shit; how you feel when you have sex, how you feel when you think; how sad/happy you get, how it effects you...And literally every other thing withen every second of your life being controlled by a single source.

A total and complete lack of freedom on every level is not just unattainable but disrespectful to each person you would attempt (and fail) to impose it on. What aspect of this notion demands even the slightest bit of respect?

[Wazkyraque]

Hey, just to point something out, if there's a gay gene then there HAS to be a straight gene, eh. So why don't we just remove that... Dumbass.

Because if you removed the straight gene entirely then our species would die out, and most people don't want that.

Technically, Gays can still donate sperm, And Lesbians can still have children with donated sperm and even put kids up for adoption; the species wouldn't die out, there'd just be a decrease in population growth.

[Hallistar]

Why is there nothing respectable about it?

You would attempt to control every aspect of everything, even the smallest thinga like what is eaten when it is and how much of it is eaten. What you drink, when you pee, when you shit; how you feel when you have sex, how you feel when you think; how sad/happy you get, how it effects you...And literally every other thing withen every second of your life being controlled by a single source.

A total and complete lack of freedom on every level is not just unattainable but disrespectful to each person you would attempt (and fail) to impose it on. What aspect of this notion demands even the slightest bit of respect?

Lol you say 'you would' as if I was the one who posed that ideology to you. And I'm not sure that sort of control is what was depicted by Emerald Legion.

[The Emerald Legion]

Why is there nothing respectable about it?

You would attempt to control every aspect of everything, even the smallest thinga like what is eaten when it is and how much of it is eaten. What you drink, when you pee, when you shit; how you feel when you have sex, how you feel when you think; how sad/happy you get, how it effects you...And literally every other thing withen every second of your life being controlled by a single source.

A total and complete lack of freedom on every level is not just unattainable but disrespectful to each person you would attempt (and fail) to impose it on. What aspect of this notion demands even the slightest bit of respect?

The part where freedom is a childish concept to begin with.

Noone can ever be free. So why try?

[Salandriagado]

Hey, just to point something out, if there's a gay gene then there HAS to be a straight gene, eh. So why don't we just remove that... Dumbass.

Because if you removed the straight gene entirely then our species would die out, and most people don't want that.

Considering that the proposals in this thread rely purely on cloning to sustain the population anyway, that doesn't matter much. Now I come to think of it, it'd be better to have everyone homosexual, since there'd be less chance for unwanted pregnancies.

[Iuuvic]

Nope, you just can't controll everything and everything plays with epigenetic principles...

And there is nothing respectable about this 'ideology' of yours.

And if you rip genetics out of the matter entirely?

What if we learn to make AI? What about downloading human minds into computers?

Both theoretically possible. And either one would screw your absolute statement up.

I have gone far enough into your absurdity; since this topic is about genetics I'm not going to even attempt to go into another one of your 'what if' rebuttals. City of robots is where I draw the line.

[The Emerald Legion]

And if you rip genetics out of the matter entirely?

What if we learn to make AI? What about downloading human minds into computers?

Both theoretically possible. And either one would screw your absolute statement up.

I have gone far enough into your absurdity; since this topic is about genetics I'm not going to even attempt to go into another one of your 'what if' rebuttals. City of robots is where I draw the line.

This whole thread is a big "What if" I don't see why mine is any more ridiculous than a "Gay gene." Considering mine is backed by science.

[Iuuvic]

You would attempt to control every aspect of everything, even the smallest thinga like what is eaten when it is and how much of it is eaten. What you drink, when you pee, when you shit; how you feel when you have sex, how you feel when you think; how sad/happy you get, how it effects you...And literally every other thing withen every second of your life being controlled by a single source.

A total and complete lack of freedom on every level is not just unattainable but disrespectful to each person you would attempt (and fail) to impose it on. What aspect of this notion demands even the slightest bit of respect?

Lol you say 'you would' as if I was the one who posed that ideology to you. And I'm not sure that sort of control is what was depicted by Emerald Legion.

General response, he would...Whatever, and it would be needed if he wanted to control epigenetic variations as well...

[Arkinesia]

If a gay gene could be destroyed I think it would really be more worthwhile to eliminate the gene and the suffering than try to re-educate an entire population for an easily and painlessly eradicated gene.

[DizKneeLandRand]

Removing a 'gay gene' would make them psychologically hetero, I don't think people turn physically hetero or homo since they both have the same genitalia for their gender.

Genetically if possible, but not in the deepest part of the human psyche/spirit/soul. There might be a predestination for a person to be gay that might override the genetic part. Trying to create a non-gay person from a gay person would be like trying to create a perfect person: It wouldn't be possible and the problems it might cause may be worse.

[Iuuvic]

I have gone far enough into your absurdity; since this topic is about genetics I'm not going to even attempt to go into another one of your 'what if' rebuttals. City of robots is where I draw the line.

This whole thread is a big "What if" I don't see why mine is any more ridiculous than a "Gay gene." Considering mine is backed by science.

No, its not. And its a hypothetical regarding genetics and the ethics of removing a 'gay gene' not about robot cities.

[Hallistar]

You would attempt to control every aspect of everything, even the smallest thinga like what is eaten when it is and how much of it is eaten. What you drink, when you pee, when you shit; how you feel when you have sex, how you feel when you think; how sad/happy you get, how it effects you...And literally every other thing withen every second of your life being controlled by a single source.

A total and complete lack of freedom on every level is not just unattainable but disrespectful to each person you would attempt (and fail) to impose it on. What aspect of this notion demands even the slightest bit of respect?

The part where freedom is a childish concept to begin with.

Noone can ever be free. So why try?

While I too find organic corporeal life heavily flawed when compared to the artificial, I don't think you'd have to constrain freedom to that extent though

[The Emerald Legion]

Lol you say 'you would' as if I was the one who posed that ideology to you. And I'm not sure that sort of control is what was depicted by Emerald Legion.

General response, he would...Whatever, and it would be needed if he wanted to control epigenetic variations as well...

PRoblem, machines= no genetics. At all.

No genetics means I presume, no epigenetics.

[Juristonia]

I'd rather get rid of the gene that causes gays to still be discriminated against.

[Milennias]

Yes I would definitely support it.

Why?

Well, according to my own personal beliefs and philosophy, I deem homosexuality as a mutation or a genetic disorder.

[Hallistar]

Removing a 'gay gene' would make them psychologically hetero, I don't think people turn physically hetero or homo since they both have the same genitalia for their gender.

Genetically if possible, but not in the deepest part of the human psyche/spirit/soul. There might be a predestination for a person to be gay that might override the genetic part. Trying to create a non-gay person from a gay person would be like trying to create a perfect person: It wouldn't be possible and the problems it might cause may be worse.

spirit? What predestination are you referring to?