Gay gene

[Mindhar]

This is going into Epic Quotes... I haven't laughed this hard in awhile.

Okay, that's it. I admit it. I'm a bee. I was hoping that I could blend in on the forums, but it's not working. Please, tell me, what's your humans' secrets on making these colorful substances that are so sweet? I am getting rather sick of honey, and want something different. I want to get it without risking my life!

They come from a mysterious far-off island, and were unknown to us until a great human hero called John Pemberton discovered them and found a way to capture them and imprison them in plastic rings in which form they are shipped across the seas for our pleasure.

[Valourium]

You're right, it isn't that far. Heck, I go on runs that are at least half of that often. What I'm trying to get at is that walking when it's late, such as now, can be tiring, depending on how much. It also doesn't help me that I figured out that I could have gotten from here to there and back much faster if I would've juts known about another street that I didn't think about until I was already back here.
Also, the mistakes I am making when I try to make a point is also sort of due to the fact that I was sort of ticked off when I saw the title "Gay Gene." That may have just clouded my thoughts.

Yeeee, walking when you don't want to walk, I understand the feeling.

It's just the sort of thing that makes you wanna rage quit physical activities and sit on the computer... *shameful look, followed by a shrug and the thought "Whatever, it's not like a large bit of Americas' population walk that far in one day ever," followed by the thought "Well, not as a straight back and forth journey, that is."

[Valourium]

Okay, that's it. I admit it. I'm a bee. I was hoping that I could blend in on the forums, but it's not working. Please, tell me, what's your humans' secrets on making these colorful substances that are so sweet? I am getting rather sick of honey, and want something different. I want to get it without risking my life!

They come from a mysterious far-off island, and were unknown to us until a great human hero called John Pemberton discovered them and found a way to capture them and imprison them in plastic rings in which form they are shipped across the seas for our pleasure.

Ah, yes. I have heard many stories of the long, difficult journey. It is passed down from generation to generation in our hive.

[Kaeshar]

This is going way off topic into pheremones and some stuff about bees......

Not that I really have anything to contribute to nudge it back on topic though.

[Valourium]

This is going way off topic into pheremones and some stuff about bees......

Not that I really have anything to contribute to nudge it back on topic though.

Us bees do tend to be very distracting, don't we?
That gives me a great idea for a RP! I can be a nation of bees trying to enslave the human race! (Spoiler alert)

[Jerobi]

This is going way off topic into pheremones and some stuff about bees......

Not that I really have anything to contribute to nudge it back on topic though.

Us bees do tend to be very distracting, don't we?
That gives me a great idea for a RP! I can be a nation of bees trying to enslave the human race! (Spoiler alert)

IN THE NAME OF THE QUEEN BEE!

[Grenartia]

Why?

Can't they just be happy with who they are?

No, they can't. Just like homosexuals can't be happy being romantically involved with people of the opposite sex.

And transgendered people have just as much of a right to express themselves and to be happy that you do.

That sounds great. We're going to be making everyone exactly like me, right? Right?

Nonsense, everyone will be given blue jumpsuits, and collared with barcodes on them.

Back to your sector, Citizen 382. There is nothing here for you to see.

And everybody will look like a cross between Gary Busey and Micheal Jackson.

Just cause it looked like ya missed it... How the hell did we get from Fake genes to fake people in the sky?

Because they're against people being religious, so they gots to try to make me not believe, but it won't work. and then they'll probably ask for a "citation" for that other sentence.

Actually, most of us aren't against religious people at all. I myself am fairly religious. And nobody here persecutes me for it.

Then neither the ban on homosexuality is part of your religion. Why do you think god hates homosexuality?

It is unholy and destroys the whole purpose of Marriage.

And a 50% divorce rate doesn't? You're telling me that two heterosexuals who just met each other have more of a right to get married than two homosexuals who have been together for a decade?

Because you argued that you would support a eugenic solution, because your religion dictates it.

But it doesn't. Levitical law might, but you admit you aren't bound by Levitical law.

You are right, that is the part of my personal belief.

So the passage in Leviticus regarding homosexuality DOESN'T apply to you, by logical extension.

Not really. If you claim to believe the bible, and follow it, you can't say "I don't like homosexuality but do like shellfish". Or are you in favour of punishing yourself?

No they are. This thread is about if I would support removing the "gay" gene, not Venolia's beliefs.

Ah, but it actually is.

You base your decision on removing the gay gene on your beliefs. Therefore, your beliefs are relevant to the topic at hand.

So, because your minister told you so? Think for yourself, on what basis do you find homosexuality wrong? I'm not saying religion isn't a reason, but tell me how your religion prohibits it. What, did god say it?

Do you really believe that your personal beliefs should be forcefully put on to other people against their will? Do you disagree with people having the freedom of self determination? Didn't god give us free will for a reason? You believe you know better than god when he allowed homosexuals to become homosexual?

God did not say it. God di give us free wills for a reason. That would not be going against God's will if it supposed to be punished, as said in the Bible.

Except its more than totally possible that the Bible originally didn't say to 'kill teh gayz'.

On what basis do you disagree with homosexuality?

Edit: Typo.

It goes against my religion and personal beliefs.

And who exactly are you to determine what people should and shouldn't be doing with THEIR lives?

...which isn't a good enough reason.

If someone 'doesn't agree' with Jews, that doesn't mean we should match our laws to their ideals.

Too bad this is about opinions not facts. That means we can't argue this one out. Oh darn!

Actually, we have a shitload of facts on our side. What do you have?

The problem is that there is no gay gene. Homosexuality is actually a mental illness caused by people growing up in unhealthy conditions.

Ha. No. As many people here can attest to, there are plenty of homosexuals and bisexuals that grew up in healthy, normal environments.

You called?

The problem is that there is no gay gene. Homosexuality is actually a mental illness caused by people growing up in unhealthy conditions.

And what exactly qualifies you to make that assumption, and what proof do you have to back it up?

I wat.

Since gays can't reproduce they'd be no way to pass down a concentrateed version of the gay gene. Which would mean any gay gene atm would be a mutation

Gays=mutants.


My god D:

Female relatives of gay men are more fertile, thus increasing the odds that they will pass along the gay gene. Plus the gay gene is quite beneficial, as it allows parents to get food, while the gay people babysit, so while they don't often reproduce, they do provide benefits in other ways.

[Rick Rollin]

This is going way off topic into pheremones and some stuff about bees......

Not that I really have anything to contribute to nudge it back on topic though.

Us bees do tend to be very distracting, don't we?
That gives me a great idea for a RP! I can be a nation of bees trying to enslave the human race! (Spoiler alert)

I can't believe anyone's said it yet. And I think Deathcrush sounds stupid.

[Individual Impersonators]

God did not say it. God di give us free wills for a reason. That would not be going against God's will if it supposed to be punished, as said in the Bible.

Except its more than totally possible that the Bible originally didn't say to 'kill teh gayz'.

In other words you do not trust the interpretators of the bible. Do you believe you have better knowledge?

Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.

You may not believe in God, not believe that the bible is the most accurate record of God or simply not care. I myself believe that relgion is supersticous nonsence. I can however admit when the Bible calls for actions to be illegal or in the case of homosexuality, have the death scentence imposed.

Another classic part of Leviticus is 21:16-23
"Then the LORD said to Moses, "Tell Aaron that in all future generations, his descendants who have physical defects will not qualify to offer food to their God. No one who has a defect may come near to me, whether he is blind or lame, stunted or deformed, or has a broken foot or hand, or has a humped back or is a dwarf, or has a defective eye, or has oozing sores or scabs on his skin, or has damaged testicles. Even though he is a descendant of Aaron, his physical defects disqualify him from presenting offerings to the LORD by fire. Since he has a blemish, he may not offer food to his God. However, he may eat from the food offered to God, including the holy offerings and the most holy offerings. Yet because of his physical defect, he must never go behind the inner curtain or come near the altar, for this would desecrate my holy places. I am the LORD who makes them holy."

The bible has many extreeme parts that I will not follow. However unlike the disabled where Jesus later treated them with respect, i do not recall any part of the bible that states that homosexuality is OK by mentioning homosexuals. If the bible is to be used as a base for a relgion, homosexuality should be looked down upon at least.
On the other hand if people want to follow common sense they simply may not care about a persons sexual preferences.

[Rick Rollin]

That sounds great. We're going to be making everyone exactly like me, right? Right?

Nonsense, everyone will be given blue jumpsuits, and collared with barcodes on them.

Back to your sector, Citizen 382. There is nothing here for you to see.

I call glorious leader! I promise not to starve the proles glorious workers!

Like this, but worldwide

[Socialdemokraterne]

Can't they just be happy with who they are?

Transgender individuals' alternate gender identity is very much a part of 'who they are.'

I may not fully understand them, but hating them is counter-productive.

This is well-said. Ten million points!

[Ceannairceach]

I fail to see the reasoning behind removing homosexuality from the populace for the sole reason that others are prejudiced against it. That is pandering to the bigots, and I for one do not approve of it.

[Rick Rollin]

Can't they just be happy with who they are?

Transgender individuals' alternate gender identity is very much a part of 'who they are.'

I may not fully understand them, but hating them is counter-productive.

But what are the effects? It not that hard to answer.

I fail to see the reasoning behind removing homosexuality from the populace for the sole reason that others are prejudiced against it. That is pandering to the bigots, and I for one do not approve of it.

The fascists and Stalinists would beg to differ.

P.S. Yes, I invoked Godwins law on purpose. When people are talking about bees, your thread has almost certainly gone too far.

[Grenartia]

Except its more than totally possible that the Bible originally didn't say to 'kill teh gayz'.

In other words you do not trust the interpretators of the bible. Do you believe you have better knowledge?

You may not believe in God, not believe that the bible is the most accurate record of God or simply not care. I myself believe that relgion is supersticous nonsence. I can however admit when the Bible calls for actions to be illegal or in the case of homosexuality, have the death scentence imposed.


The bible has many extreeme parts that I will not follow. However unlike the disabled where Jesus later treated them with respect, i do not recall any part of the bible that states that homosexuality is OK by mentioning homosexuals. If the bible is to be used as a base for a relgion, homosexuality should be looked down upon at least.
On the other hand if people want to follow common sense they simply may not care about a persons sexual preferences.

I can't say whether or not its better. All I can say, is that seeing as how the whole bible has been around in its current form (66 books, forming the OT and the NT) for over 1600 years, and that for a significant portion of that time, it has been translated into multiple languages, copied by hand, interpreted, etc, several thousand times, it is more than likely that meanings have been altered, whether intentionally or not (especially regarding homosexuality). And it only gets more complicated when you take into account the fact that prior to being compiled, the NT was a series of letters a few centuries old, and that you can more than double the problems I've mentioned when you take the OT by itself into account.

In the NT, all references to homosexuality can be interpreted to mean temple prostitutes, implying that the issue may not be homosexuality, but rather prostitution. And the sin of Sodom could very likely be a lack of hospitality, or a desire to rape the angels, than simply because there were men who wanted to have sex with other men living there.

Personally, I believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, but not as portrayed by traditional Christianity. I also don't believe in a permanent Hell, and I believe in reincarnation.

[Grenartia]

Transgender individuals' alternate gender identity is very much a part of 'who they are.'

I may not fully understand them, but hating them is counter-productive.

But what are the effects? It not that hard to answer.

I fail to see the reasoning behind removing homosexuality from the populace for the sole reason that others are prejudiced against it. That is pandering to the bigots, and I for one do not approve of it.

The fascists and Stalinists would beg to differ.

P.S. Yes, I invoked Godwins law on purpose. When people are talking about bees, your thread has almost certainly gone too far.

In certain cases, it isn't necessarily a bad thing to invoke Godwin. I believe this may be one of those cases, as the topic at hand is fairly Nazi-esque, by offering a solution to a problem that deprives a group of people of their personal sovereignty in the name of society.

[Valourium]

Yes, and while we're at it, let's remove the big B gene, because doing so would make just as much sense!

[Valourium]

P.S. Yes, I invoked Godwins law on purpose. When people are talking about bees, your thread has almost certainly gone too far.

lol, sorry about the whole bee thing, I kept referring to humans as though I wasn't one, and that's how it started.

[Socialdemokraterne]

Transgender individuals' alternate gender identity is very much a part of 'who they are.'

I may not fully understand them, but hating them is counter-productive.

But what are the effects? It not that hard to answer.

What are the effects of what? The effects of the hatred? That would be discrimination in the fields of employment, housing, and access to quality public services (such as healthcare and law enforcement). The effects of the gender dysphoria? Continual discomfort and self-consciousness, depression, and an increased probability of suicide (though it could be argued these are at least partially extensions of the hatred's effects).

You'll have to ask your question as a complete sentence.

[Rick Rollin]

But what are the effects? It not that hard to answer.

The fascists and Stalinists would beg to differ.

P.S. Yes, I invoked Godwins law on purpose. When people are talking about bees, your thread has almost certainly gone too far.

In certain cases, it isn't necessarily a bad thing to invoke Godwin. I believe this may be one of those cases, as the topic at hand is fairly Nazi-esque, by offering a solution to a problem that deprives a group of people of their personal sovereignty in the name of society.

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Burzday?

[New Conglomerate]

Transgender individuals' alternate gender identity is very much a part of 'who they are.'

I may not fully understand them, but hating them is counter-productive.

But what are the effects? It not that hard to answer.

The effects of what? Transgenderism? (Is that a word?)

If it's not brought on by some form of abuse, I assume the effects are negligible.

[Rick Rollin]

But what are the effects? It not that hard to answer.

The effects of what? Transgenderism? (Is that a word?)

If it's not brought on by some form of abuse, I assume the effects are negligible.

Gender Reassignment Surgery? What's the effect of that?
Transwomen? Does the fashion industry really deserve the money?

[New Conglomerate]

The effects of what? Transgenderism? (Is that a word?)

If it's not brought on by some form of abuse, I assume the effects are negligible.

Gender Reassignment Surgery? What's the effect of that?

New junk?

[Valourium]

Gender Reassignment Surgery? What's the effect of that?

New junk?

Well, before we can give an accurate answer, we need a specific thing to direct the question itself to.

[Grenartia]

The effects of what? Transgenderism? (Is that a word?)

If it's not brought on by some form of abuse, I assume the effects are negligible.

1. Gender Reassignment Surgery? What's the effect of that?
2. Transwomen? Does the fashion industry really deserve the money?

1. GRS gives people the genitalia and secondary sex characteristics to match up with their identity.

2. What the hell are you talking about?

[Acivica]

God is fake and the bible is a bunch of bullhockey.