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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:48 pm

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No, I mean what do condoms have to do with eugenics being used.


You said: "It is His will, so it will be done".

That's a very questionable assertion.

If it were true - god INTENDED some people to be gay, so why do you oppose his will?

(By the same token - if god's will is done, contraception is hollow - god INTENDS some conceptions not to happen).


If we had the ability to remove homosexuality from Earth, as God does not want it, than I would remove. He put them there and gave us the ability to remove their homosexuality then I would have it done. I am not oppossing His will, if it is His will to have it removed, but I am actualizing His will.
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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:49 pm

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If homosexuals had a "gay" gene and we had the ability to remove it and it is His will that there are no gays and it is also His will that we not kill each other than I would fund it. And also, His will would include all this, it is His plan.

Source?



This is not an argument, this is my opinion.
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:50 pm

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Person012345 wrote:Source?



This is not an argument, this is my opinion.

Based on what?

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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:50 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
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There are dietary laws.

Then why don't you follow them? They are in the same part as the laws against homosexuality.


I do not follow the dietary laws as they are not within my religion. I am against homosexuality as that is part of my personal beliefs.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:51 pm

We've already determined that homosexuality is highly likely to be caused by pre-natal conditions in the mother's womb. It's neither genetic nor a choice.

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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:51 pm

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You are right, that is the part of my personal belief.


So citing your religion was bearing false witness?

Pretty sure your Bible advocates against that, too.


No, he had asked for a vers and I gave him one.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:52 pm

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If homosexuals had a "gay" gene and we had the ability to remove it and it is His will that there are no gays and it is also His will that we not kill each other than I would fund it. And also, His will would include all this, it is His plan.

But why would God make gays if he didn't want gays?


Just cause it looked like ya missed it... How the hell did we get from Fake genes to fake people in the sky?
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Postby Iuuvic » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:52 pm

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Catholicos wrote:What is going on here?

They're putting me through a trial of questions. lol no, they just have a lot of questions.


I think they are waiting for answers with a bit more substance than just some one liners that seem to ooze a not-so-sutble contempt for those who are asking.

If you are getting so many questions I suggest you make your stance a bit clearer with an in-depth description of your veiws and why you hold them.
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Postby Seperates » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:53 pm

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Person012345 wrote:Source?



This is not an argument, this is my opinion.

Which has no more substance than a sack of hot air.
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:53 pm

Venolia wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Then why don't you follow them? They are in the same part as the laws against homosexuality.


I do not follow the dietary laws as they are not within my religion. I am against homosexuality as that is part of my personal beliefs.

Um, what religion are you part of? Have you made up some religion that only adheres to selective bits of the bible? Or are you really so mindless that you just follow everything your local church leader says without question?

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:53 pm

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Chinese Regions wrote:Then why don't you follow them? They are in the same part as the laws against homosexuality.


I do not follow the dietary laws as they are not within my religion. I am against homosexuality as that is part of my personal beliefs.

Then neither the ban on homosexuality is part of your religion. Why do you think god hates homosexuality?
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Postby Catholicos » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:55 pm

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I do not follow the dietary laws as they are not within my religion. I am against homosexuality as that is part of my personal beliefs.

Then neither the ban on homosexuality is part of your religion. Why do you think god hates homosexuality?


It is unholy and destroys the whole purpose of Marriage.
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Postby Seperates » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:56 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Seperates wrote:But why would God make gays if he didn't want gays?


Just cause it looked like ya missed it... How the hell did we get from Fake genes to fake people in the sky?

His justfication for gene therapy was his religious beliefs...

Which happens to be a bastardization of Christianity... not that Christianity is all that good in of itself.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:56 pm

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So citing your religion was bearing false witness?

Pretty sure your Bible advocates against that, too.


No, he had asked for a vers and I gave him one.


And yet, you've admitted that what you're actually talking about is your personal opinion - since you don't feel bound by Leviticus law. (Indeed, apparently, you haven't even READ the Levitical laws).

Which means your earlier argument was you bearing false witness. Ironically, that's one of the really BIG non-noes of the Levitical law.
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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:56 pm

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The Ten Commandments do say that. "You shall not kill." and "Love your neighbour as you would yourself." I would no want to let myself die for something I did not controll.

No, thou shalt not murder. Not that you shouldn't kill.

Would you, therefore, agree with removing a "religion" gene?


I did say "You shall not kill" but you are right it does say murder.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:57 pm

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Chinese Regions wrote:Then neither the ban on homosexuality is part of your religion. Why do you think god hates homosexuality?


It is unholy and destroys the whole purpose of Marriage.


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Chinese Regions wrote:Then neither the ban on homosexuality is part of your religion. Why do you think god hates homosexuality?


It is unholy and destroys the whole purpose of Marriage.


Would you like to clarify that?
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Chinese Regions wrote:Then neither the ban on homosexuality is part of your religion. Why do you think god hates homosexuality?


It is unholy and destroys the whole purpose of Marriage.

Do you mean love? Or sexy time? Or governmental benefits?

What's the "purpose of marriage"?
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Postby Iuuvic » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:57 pm

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Chinese Regions wrote:Then neither the ban on homosexuality is part of your religion. Why do you think god hates homosexuality?


It is unholy and destroys the whole purpose of Marriage.


I'm sure that's at the top of the list for issues facing God...Not the hunger, disease and suffering of millions.
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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:57 pm

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Well, it is in my religion to be religious, but if the religion is fake than yes. And yes, I know that might seem self-contradictory to you.

Your religion is fake. Do you have a single piece of evidence to support your religion? I want a yes or no answer please.


This is my opinion so evidence is worthless to me but to answer your question, yes.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:58 pm

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You said: "It is His will, so it will be done".

That's a very questionable assertion.

If it were true - god INTENDED some people to be gay, so why do you oppose his will?

(By the same token - if god's will is done, contraception is hollow - god INTENDS some conceptions not to happen).


If we had the ability to remove homosexuality from Earth, as God does not want it,.


If he didn't want it, he wouldn't make people gay.
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Just cause it looked like ya missed it... How the hell did we get from Fake genes to fake people in the sky?

His justfication for gene therapy was his religious beliefs...

Which happens to be a bastardization of Christianity... not that Christianity is all that good in of itself.


bastardization of Christianity... Just when i thought i heard it all... SO why are we fueling him on anyone? Anyone?
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The Ten Commandments do say that. "You shall not kill." and "Love your neighbour as you would yourself." I would no want to let myself die for something I did not controll.

No, thou shalt not murder. Not that you shouldn't kill.

Would you, therefore, agree with removing a "religion" gene?


Religion is a belief. Unless you're claiming that homosexuality is a choice- something that most or all homosexuals disagree with- then I'd say you aren't making a valid point. At ALL. ಠ_ಠ
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:59 pm

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It is unholy and destroys the whole purpose of Marriage.

Do you mean love? Or sexy time? Or governmental benefits?

What's the "purpose of marriage"?

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Furthermore the "unholy" part pretty much contradicted what I said about Leviticus.
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:59 pm

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Person012345 wrote:Your religion is fake. Do you have a single piece of evidence to support your religion? I want a yes or no answer please.


This is my opinion so evidence is worthless to me but to answer your question, yes.

Would you be so kind as to PM me your evidence for god's existence? I am interested in evidence of god's existence, as I have never seen one.

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