Gay gene

[Chinese Regions]

No they are. This thread is about if I would support removing the "gay" gene, not Venolia's beliefs.

If we could remove a "religion" gene, would you be in support of that too?

I wouldn't, we wouldn't have people to laugh at.

[Venolia]

Oppose his creations? I follow His law.

His creations include homosexuals

If homosexuals had a "gay" gene and we had the ability to remove it and it is His will that there are no gays and it is also His will that we not kill each other than I would fund it. And also, His will would include all this, it is His plan.

[Farnhamia]

If we could remove a "religion" gene, would you be in support of that too?

I wouldn't, we wouldn't have people to laugh at.

There are so many jokes to be made here, I ... ack. *thud*

[Seperates]

Not really. If you claim to believe the bible, and follow it, you can't say "I don't like homosexuality but do like shellfish". Or are you in favour of punishing yourself?

No they are. This thread is about if I would support removing the "gay" gene, not Venolia's beliefs.

And we are saying that it's wrong and stupid to support removing the "gay" gene, and that your reasoning why, which is deeply centred in a festering mass of religious belief, is unreasonable, illogical, and unfit for service.

You have been wieghed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.

[Venolia]

What is going on here?

They're putting me through a trial of questions. lol no, they just have a lot of questions.

[Iuuvic]

His creations include homosexuals

If homosexuals had a "gay" gene and we had the ability to remove it and it is His will that there are no gays and it is also His will that we not kill each other than I would fund it. And also, His will would include all this, it is His plan.

David Carver, is that you?

[Grave_n_idle]

You said "It is His will, so it will be done".

If God's will is always done, condoms either don't work, or God wills it that some conceptions never happen.

No, I mean what do condoms have to do with eugenics being used.

You said: "It is His will, so it will be done".

That's a very questionable assertion.

If it were true - god INTENDED some people to be gay, so why do you oppose his will?

(By the same token - if god's will is done, contraception is hollow - god INTENDS some conceptions not to happen).

[Person012345]

His creations include homosexuals

If homosexuals had a "gay" gene and we had the ability to remove it and it is His will that there are no gays and it is also His will that we not kill each other than I would fund it. And also, His will would include all this, it is His plan.

Source?

[Venolia]

don't really understand your question, but there are many different types of Bibles, if that answers your question.

Then use your bible,in Leviticus there are clearly dietary laws as well as laws against homosexuality.

There are dietary laws.

[Seperates]

His creations include homosexuals

If homosexuals had a "gay" gene and we had the ability to remove it and it is His will that there are no gays and it is also His will that we not kill each other than I would fund it. And also, His will would include all this, it is His plan.

But why would God make gays if he didn't want gays?

[Grave_n_idle]

So you choose to cherry-pick? Have you even read your Bible?

The whole thing? No. I have read the Gospels though.

[Venolia]

If you are asking if Hebrewic religions should be banned than no. My will is not law, but God's will is.

I am saying that if dietary laws are Jewish then so is the law against homosexuality.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand your question then

[Venolia]

Because I was asked for a verse.

Because you argued that you would support a eugenic solution, because your religion dictates it.

But it doesn't. Levitical law might, but you admit you aren't bound by Levitical law.

You are right, that is the part of my personal belief.

[Chinese Regions]

Then use your bible,in Leviticus there are clearly dietary laws as well as laws against homosexuality.

There are dietary laws.

Then why don't you follow them? They are in the same part as the laws against homosexuality.

[Grave_n_idle]

Then use your bible,in Leviticus there are clearly dietary laws as well as laws against homosexuality.

There are dietary laws.

Which you don't follow, because they don't apply, because Levitical law is for the tribes of Israel.

Similarly, the laws about sexuality...

[Grave_n_idle]

Because you argued that you would support a eugenic solution, because your religion dictates it.

But it doesn't. Levitical law might, but you admit you aren't bound by Levitical law.

You are right, that is the part of my personal belief.

So citing your religion was bearing false witness?

Pretty sure your Bible advocates against that, too.

[Seperates]

So you choose to cherry-pick? Have you even read your Bible?

The whole thing? No. I have read the Gospels though.

*sighs* Yup, thought so... How can you even claim to know God's will when you don't even read what you think to be his book?

It's not God's will you're asserting... it's your will.

[Venolia]

About your verse Mark 12:31, that is why I do not have them killed. I don't think they should be killed, instead of killing them, I remove them from homosexuality, meaning they are not to be killed but loved as your neighbour. I didn't know that taking away their options is against the will of God, when I am in turn saving their lives, as directed in the Ten Commandments.

The ten commandments doesn't tell you to preserve life does it? The thing is, god very explicitly gave us free will. He could have made us all worship him but he didn't. I've heard the reason given for this is that he "wanted us to choose to love and follow him and not do it robotically". By taking away people's options, you are specifically acting against that specific decision by god.

I'm sorry I didn't answer your question. No, I am actualize His will. Logically I am not obligated to think that it's ethical for other people to force me to conform to their beliefs, it is a double-standard.

Are you saying you have a double standard? Double standards are illogical. You having a double standard does not make double standards logical. What you're saying is that you know you are being illogical, but you're doing it anyway?

Do you really believe your double standard is ethical? How can you possibly believe, genuinely, that it's moral to do things that you would not find moral if done to you?

The Ten Commandments do say that. "You shall not kill." and "Love your neighbour as you would yourself." I would no want to let myself die for something I did not controll.

[Person012345]

I'll tell you now, your bible does not have prohibitions against killing people. God endorses it left right and centre. Did you know, that the two most common interactions god has with people in the bible is:
1. Killing people
2. Ordering people to be killed

It prohibits "murder", but murder is, by definition, against the law. God wants you to kill gays.

[Seperates]

The ten commandments doesn't tell you to preserve life does it? The thing is, god very explicitly gave us free will. He could have made us all worship him but he didn't. I've heard the reason given for this is that he "wanted us to choose to love and follow him and not do it robotically". By taking away people's options, you are specifically acting against that specific decision by god.


Are you saying you have a double standard? Double standards are illogical. You having a double standard does not make double standards logical. What you're saying is that you know you are being illogical, but you're doing it anyway?

Do you really believe your double standard is ethical? How can you possibly believe, genuinely, that it's moral to do things that you would not find moral if done to you?

The Ten Commandments do say that. "You shall not kill." and "Love your neighbour as you would yourself." I would no want to let myself die for something I did not controll.

Actually, the Ten Commandments never say "Love your neighbour as you would yourself".

Jesus did though... but he's not the Ten Commandments.

[Venolia]

No they are. This thread is about if I would support removing the "gay" gene, not Venolia's beliefs.

If we could remove a "religion" gene, would you be in support of that too?

Well, it is in my religion to be religious, but if the religion is fake than yes. And yes, I know that might seem self-contradictory to you.

[Person012345]

The ten commandments doesn't tell you to preserve life does it? The thing is, god very explicitly gave us free will. He could have made us all worship him but he didn't. I've heard the reason given for this is that he "wanted us to choose to love and follow him and not do it robotically". By taking away people's options, you are specifically acting against that specific decision by god.


Are you saying you have a double standard? Double standards are illogical. You having a double standard does not make double standards logical. What you're saying is that you know you are being illogical, but you're doing it anyway?

Do you really believe your double standard is ethical? How can you possibly believe, genuinely, that it's moral to do things that you would not find moral if done to you?

The Ten Commandments do say that. "You shall not kill." and "Love your neighbour as you would yourself." I would no want to let myself die for something I did not controll.

No, thou shalt not murder. Not that you shouldn't kill.

Would you, therefore, agree with removing a "religion" gene?

[Seperates]

If we could remove a "religion" gene, would you be in support of that too?

Well, it is in my religion to be religious, but if the religion is fake than yes. And yes, I know that might seem self-contradictory to you.

You don't even know your own religion's doctrine and teachings... and yet you seek to find if religion is fake?

[Catholicos]

What is going on here?

They're putting me through a trial of questions. lol no, they just have a lot of questions.

hahahahahahaha

[Person012345]

If we could remove a "religion" gene, would you be in support of that too?

Well, it is in my religion to be religious, but if the religion is fake than yes. And yes, I know that might seem self-contradictory to you.

Your religion is fake. Do you have a single piece of evidence to support your religion? I want a yes or no answer please.