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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:26 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
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I do not see how that would be relevant, but if you are asking if I am religiously allowed to eat pork, yes I am. I don't eat porh though, I don't like it.


If you followed Levitical law, you wouldn't eat pork - you wouldn't be religiously allowed.

You claim you are religiously allowed - so I assume you don't follow Levitical law.

So why are you citing Levitical law for marriage and sex?


Because I was asked for a verse.
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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:27 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
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What do condoms have to do with this?


You said "It is His will, so it will be done".

If God's will is always done, condoms either don't work, or God wills it that some conceptions never happen.


No, I mean what do condoms have to do with eugenics being used.
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Postby Seperates » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:27 pm

Venolia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
If you followed Levitical law, you wouldn't eat pork - you wouldn't be religiously allowed.

You claim you are religiously allowed - so I assume you don't follow Levitical law.

So why are you citing Levitical law for marriage and sex?


Because I was asked for a verse.

So you choose to cherry-pick? Have you even read your Bible?
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:27 pm

Venolia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
If you followed Levitical law, you wouldn't eat pork - you wouldn't be religiously allowed.

You claim you are religiously allowed - so I assume you don't follow Levitical law.

So why are you citing Levitical law for marriage and sex?


Because I was asked for a verse.

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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:28 pm

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I would not know why God had it created, I do not speak for Him. I did not call God incompetant. It is His will, so it will be done.

Then why do you oppose his creations?


Oppose his creations? I follow His law.
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Postby Gothinia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:28 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:In Before lock


This is off the record. What holy stupidity is this? Gay gene? Who's ass is talking this? There isnt a Gene for sexuality as much as there is for common morons.

^This.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:28 pm

Venolia wrote:
Seperates wrote:Then why do you oppose his creations?


Oppose his creations? I follow His law.

His creations include homosexuals
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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:29 pm

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Interesting... The first however is commonly agreed to be "wooven together" such as using two types of thread to make one costume. The second are that of Jewish and Hebrewic religions.

Which comes from the same book that you got your homosexuals quote from?

don't really understand your question, but there are many different types of Bibles, if that answers your question.
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Postby Catholicos » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:29 pm

What is going on here?
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Postby Seperates » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:29 pm

Venolia wrote:
Seperates wrote:Then why do you oppose his creations?


Oppose his creations? I follow His law.

Obviously not, seeing as you eat pork and shellfish.
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Postby Jerusalem and Damascus » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:29 pm

Catholicos wrote:What is going on here?


I'm not too sure myself.
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Postby Arcomo » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:29 pm

I think it's fine whatever rubbish people want to believe privately. But to think that such personal beliefs based on anything but real scientific studies can be used to argue for any position which affects other people, is downright stupid. Especially when those personal beliefs are based on something like a severely corrupted bundle of stories from two centuries ago which talks about magic and bronze age morals.

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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:30 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
Venolia wrote:
Interesting... The first however is commonly agreed to be "wooven together" such as using two types of thread to make one costume. The second are that of Jewish and Hebrewic religions.

That makes the ban on homosexuality of Jewish religions too, no?


If you are asking if Hebrewic religions should be banned than no. My will is not law, but God's will is.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:31 pm

Venolia wrote:
Seperates wrote:Which comes from the same book that you got your homosexuals quote from?

don't really understand your question, but there are many different types of Bibles, if that answers your question.

Then use your bible,in Leviticus there are clearly dietary laws as well as laws against homosexuality.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:32 pm

Venolia wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:That makes the ban on homosexuality of Jewish religions too, no?


If you are asking if Hebrewic religions should be banned than no. My will is not law, but God's will is.

:palm:
I am saying that if dietary laws are Jewish then so is the law against homosexuality.
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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:32 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Venolia wrote:
Interesting... The first however is commonly agreed to be "wooven together" such as using two types of thread to make one costume.

And you know you've never done it?

The second are that of Jewish and Hebrewic religions.

They're in the bible, from the same book as the one your quoting. Why are they part of some other religion and not yours?


I have never done as far as I know. I don't even think I buy wool. Because I'm not Jewish.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:33 pm

Venolia wrote:No, I mean what do condoms have to do with eugenics being used.


You don't understand the concept of analogies at all, do you?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:33 pm

Venolia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
If you followed Levitical law, you wouldn't eat pork - you wouldn't be religiously allowed.

You claim you are religiously allowed - so I assume you don't follow Levitical law.

So why are you citing Levitical law for marriage and sex?


Because I was asked for a verse.


Because you argued that you would support a eugenic solution, because your religion dictates it.

But it doesn't. Levitical law might, but you admit you aren't bound by Levitical law.
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:33 pm

Venolia wrote:About your verse Mark 12:31, that is why I do not have them killed. I don't think they should be killed, instead of killing them, I remove them from homosexuality, meaning they are not to be killed but loved as your neighbour. I didn't know that taking away their options is against the will of God, when I am in turn saving their lives, as directed in the Ten Commandments.

The ten commandments doesn't tell you to preserve life does it? The thing is, god very explicitly gave us free will. He could have made us all worship him but he didn't. I've heard the reason given for this is that he "wanted us to choose to love and follow him and not do it robotically". By taking away people's options, you are specifically acting against that specific decision by god.

I'm sorry I didn't answer your question. No, I am actualize His will. Logically I am not obligated to think that it's ethical for other people to force me to conform to their beliefs, it is a double-standard.

Are you saying you have a double standard? Double standards are illogical. You having a double standard does not make double standards logical. What you're saying is that you know you are being illogical, but you're doing it anyway?

Do you really believe your double standard is ethical? How can you possibly believe, genuinely, that it's moral to do things that you would not find moral if done to you?
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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:34 pm

Person012345 wrote:
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They are, but what I eat is irrelevant to this thred, that is what I meant. Sorry about the confusion.

Not really. If you claim to believe the bible, and follow it, you can't say "I don't like homosexuality but do like shellfish". Or are you in favour of punishing yourself?


No they are. This thread is about if I would support removing the "gay" gene, not Venolia's beliefs.
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Postby Seperates » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:34 pm

Venolia wrote:
Seperates wrote:Which comes from the same book that you got your homosexuals quote from?

don't really understand your question, but there are many different types of Bibles, if that answers your question.

Leviticus is a book in the Bible.

I know this, because I've actually read the entire thing, thing being the Bible.

Your quote, justifying your bigotry against homosexuals, came from Leviticus. However, in the same book, Leviticus, there are parts that tell you not to eat shellfish or pork. If you eat shellfish and pork, you are a sinner. An abomination against God. These are God's Laws (according to you)... so why don't you follow them?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:34 pm

Venolia wrote:
Seperates wrote:Then why do you oppose his creations?


Oppose his creations? I follow His law.


Except you don't.

You might pay lipservice to a few parts, but you ignore or break most of it.
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Postby Person012345 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:35 pm

Venolia wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Not really. If you claim to believe the bible, and follow it, you can't say "I don't like homosexuality but do like shellfish". Or are you in favour of punishing yourself?


No they are. This thread is about if I would support removing the "gay" gene, not Venolia's beliefs.

If we could remove a "religion" gene, would you be in support of that too?

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Postby Venolia » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:35 pm

Seperates wrote:
Venolia wrote:
Because I was asked for a verse.

So you choose to cherry-pick? Have you even read your Bible?


The whole thing? No. I have read the Gospels though.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:36 pm

Venolia wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Not really. If you claim to believe the bible, and follow it, you can't say "I don't like homosexuality but do like shellfish". Or are you in favour of punishing yourself?


No they are. This thread is about if I would support removing the "gay" gene, not Venolia's beliefs.


But you are arguing your beliefs as a legitimate argument FOR removing gay genes.
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