US drops plans to build missile defence system in Poland

[Taeshan]

They will just try to build it somewhere else eventaully.

[Rhodmhire]

From April. So in the past 4 months have we eliminated the Iranian threat?

Iran was a threat to the United States?

Surprised me too.

[Taeshan]

From April. So in the past 4 months have we eliminated the Iranian threat?

Iran was a threat to the United States?

Surprised me too.

I'm somewhat shocked by this statment.

[The Bicycle]

Well, it doesn't matter if Iran is a threat or not, but that's the region an ABM in Central Europe would be able to protect against. Not Russia...

[Rhodmhire]

From April. So in the past 4 months have we eliminated the Iranian threat?

Iran was a threat to the United States?

Surprised me too.

I'm somewhat shocked by this statment.

Why so?

[Taeshan]

From April. So in the past 4 months have we eliminated the Iranian threat?

Iran was a threat to the United States?

Surprised me too.

I'm somewhat shocked by this statment.

Why so?

This statement was shockingly shocking, because in itself it was shocking.

[Rhodmhire]

From April. So in the past 4 months have we eliminated the Iranian threat?

Iran was a threat to the United States?

Surprised me too.

I'm somewhat shocked by this statment.

Why so?

This statement was shockingly shocking, because in itself it was shocking.

That's, very...nice. I, agree?

I'm sorry, I have no idea what's going on.

[Metz-Lorraine]

You would think Obama would try and keep the good things and NOT try and ruin EVERYTHING

The missile defense wasn't supposed to stop the missiles from hitting the US but from hitting Europe. Us already has Canada

This was actually a good idea and a good way to stop any nukes from other countries including both Iran and Russia from getting to Europe. I have to say this to Obama "You God Damn Idiot..."

And he doesn't have the balls to get the Russians to make concessions. He probably just likes playing nice guy and hope everyone loves each other and make the world 70s America

[Exilia and Colonies]

You would think Obama would try and keep the good things and NOT try and ruin EVERYTHING

The missile defense wasn't supposed to stop the missiles from hitting the US but from hitting Europe. Us already has Canada

This was actually a good idea and a good way to stop any nukes from other countries including both Iran and Russia from getting to Europe. I have to say this to Obama "You God Damn Idiot..."

And he doesn't have the balls to get the Russians to make concessions. He probably just likes playing nice guy and hope everyone loves each other and make the world 70s America

Russia doesn't really need to nuke Europe nor is it sensible for them to do so, living right next door to Europe. A Russian Tank shield would have been far more useful.

[Maurepas]

Russia doesn't really need to nuke Europe nor is it sensible for them to do so, living right next door to Europe. A Russian Tank shield would have been far more useful.

[Unchecked Expansion]

You would think Obama would try and keep the good things and NOT try and ruin EVERYTHING

The missile defense wasn't supposed to stop the missiles from hitting the US but from hitting Europe. Us already has Canada

This was actually a good idea and a good way to stop any nukes from other countries including both Iran and Russia from getting to Europe. I have to say this to Obama "You God Damn Idiot..."

And he doesn't have the balls to get the Russians to make concessions. He probably just likes playing nice guy and hope everyone loves each other and make the world 70s America

This isn't the cold war anymore, so there isn;t really an imminent nuclear threat. Anyway Russia would be foolish to nuke its neighbours, the areas that in the case of a war it would want to invade and reap the benefits of a fertile contient.
It bears repeating, we aren't in a cold war anymore, theres no need to adopt an Us vs Them mentality. It only makes things worse. Diplomacy is greatly pefferable

[Regios]

Im not really concerned about ICBM from Russia. I live in a tiny country in southern Europe, i dont think Russia's ICBM can target something this small. Damm, if they do targets us, they would kill us all in one strike. Oh boy, im starting to get scared.

Another thing i just remembered. NATO. Many European country are in NATO. If Russia attacks Poland, the U.S.A will be forced to step in. Damm again, my country is part of NATO.

If things get any worse i think i'll move to Zimbabwe.

[Lackadaisical2]

You would think Obama would try and keep the good things and NOT try and ruin EVERYTHING

The missile defense wasn't supposed to stop the missiles from hitting the US but from hitting Europe. Us already has Canada

This was actually a good idea and a good way to stop any nukes from other countries including both Iran and Russia from getting to Europe. I have to say this to Obama "You God Damn Idiot..."

And he doesn't have the balls to get the Russians to make concessions. He probably just likes playing nice guy and hope everyone loves each other and make the world 70s America

This isn't the cold war anymore, so there isn;t really an imminent nuclear threat. Anyway Russia would be foolish to nuke its neighbours, the areas that in the case of a war it would want to invade and reap the benefits of a fertile contient.
It bears repeating, we aren't in a cold war anymore, theres no need to adopt an Us vs Them mentality. It only makes things worse. Diplomacy is greatly pefferable

Thats the thing I don't get though, why was Russia so miffed about the missile defense shield? It doesn't seem that it could have possibly have intercepted Russian ICBM's. Diplomacy is fine, but giving up on something that has a tangible benefit to one party and doesn't do anything bad to another seems a bit weird. The only thing I can think of is that they were pissed we were playing in their old sandbox. Poland is in NATO anyway isn't it?

[United Russian State]

I am not sure why the goverment has been so against the missile sheild. To me it looks as if it never posed a threat. It's not like shooting down a few dozen missiles would save NATO when there are thousands to be fired on NATO. Maybe I am missing the bigger picture though.

In the end this will more than likely do little to ease tensions between the west. The missile sheild was never the real spark of new growing tensions, which Obama has done nothing to ease. It is a step though.

Maybe Obama is trying to do something good for America and cut speding on the military to due so, this being on of the cuts. Or he will use this to see "Look I fixed realtions with Russia", Americans will delcare him a hero, when he did little.

The real winners and ones to gain from this is Poland and Czech Republic, they won't be a target for WMDs. Most never did support the missile sheild in their country anyway.

[Maurepas]

It's not like shooting down a few dozen missiles would save NATO when there are thousands to be fired on NATO.

We love you too,

[United Russian State]

It's not like shooting down a few dozen missiles would save NATO when there are thousands to be fired on NATO.

We love you too,

I was just making a point on how I see any missile sheild proves of no threat. Take it anyway you wish though.

[Maurepas]

It's not like shooting down a few dozen missiles would save NATO when there are thousands to be fired on NATO.

We love you too,

I was just making a point on how I see any missile sheild proves of no threat. Take it anyway you wish though.

I figured, but I never miss an opportunity for smart assery,

[Unchecked Expansion]

You would think Obama would try and keep the good things and NOT try and ruin EVERYTHING

The missile defense wasn't supposed to stop the missiles from hitting the US but from hitting Europe. Us already has Canada

This was actually a good idea and a good way to stop any nukes from other countries including both Iran and Russia from getting to Europe. I have to say this to Obama "You God Damn Idiot..."

And he doesn't have the balls to get the Russians to make concessions. He probably just likes playing nice guy and hope everyone loves each other and make the world 70s America

This isn't the cold war anymore, so there isn;t really an imminent nuclear threat. Anyway Russia would be foolish to nuke its neighbours, the areas that in the case of a war it would want to invade and reap the benefits of a fertile contient.
It bears repeating, we aren't in a cold war anymore, theres no need to adopt an Us vs Them mentality. It only makes things worse. Diplomacy is greatly pefferable

Thats the thing I don't get though, why was Russia so miffed about the missile defense shield? It doesn't seem that it could have possibly have intercepted Russian ICBM's. Diplomacy is fine, but giving up on something that has a tangible benefit to one party and doesn't do anything bad to another seems a bit weird. The only thing I can think of is that they were pissed we were playing in their old sandbox. Poland is in NATO anyway isn't it?

In the past, American presence in Europe was, from the Soviet perspective, threatening, especially as they had no comparable positioning near the US. America positioning a significant defence system on their border seems to show a level of mistrust in them even now, regardles of the effectiveness of the system.
Is it an aggressive act to start defending before a war is imminent? It just seems antagonistic in the current climate - there is no reason to strain relations with Russia

[JarVik]

I wonder if the real reason it's being dropped is the US govt can't afford it right now? Might aswell try and get something from Russia anyways though and just not mention its cause their broke and need desperatly find some projects to axe.

[United Russian State]

there is no reason to strain relations with Russia

Ah, but it is too late. The missile sheild does nothing in my veiw to undue the damage done. Maybe Obama is trying to take the first steps to imporve realtions besides this, but is seems unlikey looking at his statements and actions. I have a feeling this more of an action he can try and gain domesticly, but it will do little eles outside of Amercia. I do look forward to my friends opion on this later today though.

[Maurepas]

there is no reason to strain relations with Russia

Ah, but it is too late. The missile sheild does nothing in my veiw to undue the damage done. Maybe Obama is trying to take the first steps to imporve realtions besides this, but is seems unlikey looking at his statements and actions. I have a feeling this more of an action he can try and gain domesticly, but it will do little eles outside of Amercia. I do look forward to my friends opion on this later today though.

Really though, other than Georgia, what would repair it?

[New Mitanni]

Why is anyone surprised by this? An inexperienced, incompetent clown betrays the trust of important allies in Eastern Europe, boosts Putin and his neo-Soviet gang, and once again displays weakness worthy of The Worthless One (Jimmy Carter). And it's not like we weren't warned. He said he'd do as much before the irresponsible 52% put him in charge of this nation's security.

And the best thing about it is, he did it on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland!

Good job, Barack Hussein CHAMBERLAIN!

[Kyronea]

So, how many of you people missed the fact that he's not scrapping the idea of missile defense against Iran entirely, but simply the system that was being put into place by President Bush, a system which protects against longer range missiles than the Iranians have?

The missile defense against Iran will still take place, but in a different location, with different missiles, both sea and land based.

[Meridistan]

Im not really concerned about ICBM from Russia. I live in a tiny country in southern Europe, i dont think Russia's ICBM can target something this small. Damm, if they do targets us, they would kill us all in one strike. Oh boy, im starting to get scared.

Another thing i just remembered. NATO. Many European country are in NATO. If Russia attacks Poland, the U.S.A will be forced to step in. Damm again, my country is part of NATO.

If things get any worse i think i'll move to Zimbabwe.

Quem atacará Portugal? Mesmo se nós estamos na NATO? Que vocês querem, bacalhau? Porque eu quero bacalhau . . . Não pode comprar bacalhau aqui.

Seriously though, I must ask, was this missile shield really going to do anything of significance? I mean, besides the effect of a US Military installation boosting the local economies. Because if this was basically going to turn into a waste of resource then it needed to end.

I am not sure why the goverment has been so against the missile sheild. To me it looks as if it never posed a threat. It's not like shooting down a few dozen missiles would save NATO when there are thousands to be fired on NATO. Maybe I am missing the bigger picture though.

In the end this will more than likely do little to ease tensions between the west. The missile sheild was never the real spark of new growing tensions, which Obama has done nothing to ease. It is a step though.

Maybe Obama is trying to do something good for America and cut speding on the military to due so, this being on of the cuts. Or he will use this to see "Look I fixed realtions with Russia", Americans will delcare him a hero, when he did little.

The real winners and ones to gain from this is Poland and Czech Republic, they won't be a target for WMDs. Most never did support the missile sheild in their country anyway.

If you don't mind me asking, from your experience, how do most Russians feel about this whole thing? Because the impression I had was that it was causing trouble and making Russians uncomfortable, but your post suggests that nobody really gave a shit in the first place.

[Delator]

Very good...I'm tired of the US subsidising Europe's defense. They've got money, if they want missile defense against Iran so badly (as we all know the scrapped system was of absolutely no value against Russia), they can pay for it themselves.

If Iran does complete a nuke, I very much doubt they'll try to deliver it via missile anyways. It's far more likely to reach it's target via covert means.

I'm hopeful that this will mean good things for the upcoming arms reduction talks. Maybe even convince the Russians to put a little more pressure on Iran.

...and as usual, New Mitanni demonstrates a total lack of understanding of Realpolitik.