How Obama Could Be A Better President

[Wamitoria]

Leave the presidency to Ron Paul too.

Ron Paul is the worst possible choice.

Comparing Obama to Ron Paul is like comparing Lincoln to Pol Pot.

Alright, I don't like Ron Paul any more then you do, but when you compare the guy to Pol Pot, you do no justice to all of the Cambodians who were killed in Democratic Kampuchea. It's no better then when we compare any nation that happens to be opposed to Israel of being like Nazi Germany.

[Death Metal]

Ron Paul is the worst possible choice.

Comparing Obama to Ron Paul is like comparing Lincoln to Pol Pot.

I'd relate Lincoln to any dictator and unconstitutional advocate of non-freedom.

Which is precisely what Ron Paul would be. In fact, he said so himself in a Piers Morgan interview.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I'm so glad this is a rational thread.

[SaintB]

I think if he didn't take suggestions from people like the OP he'd do a pretty good job... oh wait he doesn't.

[Hittanryan]

Ron Paul is the worst possible choice.

Comparing Obama to Ron Paul is like comparing Lincoln to Pol Pot.

I'd relate Lincoln to any dictator and unconstitutional advocate of non-freedom.

Psst...

YOU LOST, GET OVER IT

[Wikkiwallana]

I want to answers to Operation: Fast and Furious and the killing of Anwar al-Awalki. Transparent government my ass.

The answer to the former is that someone in the ATF fucked up something major. Nothing to do with the President. The man who thought up the whole debacle explained where he went wrong on national TV, how much more explanation do you want?

[Bombadil]

poor African American population

(http://takingnote.tcf.org/2008/11/digging-into-th.html) Relation between 2004 Election with Kerry (D) and 2008 Obama (D) showing a racial increase.

What's your point here, that his election brought out the racists?

..or what because the conclusion of that article is..

Obama even managed to reduce conservative support among white evangelicals. In 2004, these voters supported Bush by 57 points; this year they supported McCain by 50 points.

None of this suggests that divisions by religion and religious observance are disappearing from our politics. But they do appear to be softening, as voters across the religious spectrum, including some of the most observant, saw much more to like in the Democratic approach this year.

Overall he reached a broader share of vote across the board. While he certainly grabbed a greater share of minority votes that's entirely predictable, it wasn't 'anti-white' it was 'pro-equality'.

[Death Metal]

Ron Paul is the worst possible choice.

Comparing Obama to Ron Paul is like comparing Lincoln to Pol Pot.

Alright, I don't like Ron Paul any more then you do, but when you compare the guy to Pol Pot, you do no justice to all of the Cambodians who were killed in Democratic Kampuchea. It's no better then when we compare any nation that happens to be opposed to Israel of being like Nazi Germany.

I wasn't really comparing him to Pol Pot, it was an exaggerated simile. To say I'm equating him to Pol Pot would say I'm equating Obama to Lincoln, and he's not Lincoln.

Though I do admit it was a little extreme. But extreme is the only language Paulities seem to understand...

A more fair analogy would be Queen Amidala to Emperor Palpatine. Queen Amidala to Jar Jar Binks.

[Triumvirate of Mars]

I'd relate Lincoln to any dictator and unconstitutional advocate of non-freedom.

Which is precisely what Ron Paul would be. In fact, he said so himself in a Piers Morgan interview.

Tell me. Who is Piers Morgan with? Get back to me on that and then my point will be valid.
Ron Paul wouldn't be anywhere near a "dictator" or "against freedom and the constitution" How is that possible when he has always stood up and done exactly as the Constitution says. Why is it that he promotes personal freedom throughout the U.S. Haters of real change are going to hate. In order to stop the Socializing of this country we need to do a 180 degree turn, and Ron Paul offers just that.

[Wikkiwallana]

His "ID" as you call it was presented; what would it take you to believe, have him knock on your door and wave it in your face?

No. But not too far from it, I would like it to be presented on National T.V among allegations. Thats how I would have liked it to be handled... And you know, its nothing too unreasonable to ask for. Black out SS # and undesired information to the public that are actually personal. Have it authenticated, on recorded-live T.V. If he has nothing to hide then why would this be too difficult?

Why is it too much to ask? Because no other President in our history has been harassed this much and had so many valid proofs discounted.

And he already fucking did that, a fucking year ago: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Long_form.2C_2011

[Hittanryan]

Which is precisely what Ron Paul would be. In fact, he said so himself in a Piers Morgan interview.

Tell me. Who is Piers Morgan with? Get back to me on that and then my point will be valid.
Ron Paul wouldn't be anywhere near a "dictator" or "against freedom and the constitution" How is that possible when he has always stood up and done exactly as the Constitution says. Why is it that he promotes personal freedom throughout the U.S. Haters of real change are going to hate. In order to stop the Socializing of this country we need to do a 180 degree turn, and Ron Paul offers just that.

He promotes nothing of the sort. When Ron Paul says the federal government shouldn't have certain powers, he means that the state governments should have all of those powers and then some. He's not a libertarian, he's an authoritarian who just wants to move the power to a different level of government.

[Triumvirate of Mars]

(http://takingnote.tcf.org/2008/11/digging-into-th.html) Relation between 2004 Election with Kerry (D) and 2008 Obama (D) showing a racial increase.

What's your point here, that his election brought out the racists?

..or what because the conclusion of that article is..

Obama even managed to reduce conservative support among white evangelicals. In 2004, these voters supported Bush by 57 points; this year they supported McCain by 50 points.

None of this suggests that divisions by religion and religious observance are disappearing from our politics. But they do appear to be softening, as voters across the religious spectrum, including some of the most observant, saw much more to like in the Democratic approach this year.

Overall he reached a broader share of vote across the board. While he certainly grabbed a greater share of minority votes that's entirely predictable, it wasn't 'anti-white' it was 'pro-equality'.

At the time yes. While his "Lawyer" senses were being used to lie and promote "Change" Well... He brought change, not the kind of change that a Democratic REPUBLIC needs. Now it is so much so that equality is so out of whack that things have reversed. I'm sticking by the blacks being the racists in todays world. Monuments, memorials, museums dedicated to African Americans, T.V shows for black entertainment dedicated, Congressional groupings that no other minority are allowed to attend, and even schools devoted to African Americans, and yet the majority of the African American population (Poor) are still asking for more.
Some say this is advancing... Well personally, I don't support a "African American History Museum", I support a American History Museum. Get over it.

[Wikkiwallana]

Ron Paul is the worst possible choice.

Comparing Obama to Ron Paul is like comparing Lincoln to Pol Pot.

I'd relate Lincoln to any dictator and unconstitutional advocate of non-freedom.

Right, the man who freed the slaves is against freedom.

Might as well claim George Washington was a Loyalist.

[Novairia]

So, where are the oil sands located? The answer, as it turns out, is often several meters below the surface. That means you're expending energy clearing away forests and excavating tons of soil and peat just to gain access to the sands. Once you have it, how much energy does it take heat the water? Then, factor in that there's only one barrel of oil in two tons of oil sands.

Keep your inefficient muck. It won't bring gas prices down anyway.

ONCE AGAIN, our extraction technology has advanced past that point, your thinking early 90's too 2002 tech. Actual mining is winding down quickly in favor for SAGE tech. That is Steam Assisted Gravity Extraction, You drill 2 long bottom L shaped lines into the sand layer: the Top one is the steam pipe, the bottom one is the extractor. Steam (or just warm water) is injected down, breaks the oil off of the sand particals, and is then is pulled up the extractor pipe. No deforestation, no destruction of the wet lands. Many of these site's wells are powered by Solar PV cell panels, and the heating of the water is done by natural gas collected on site, not the oil.

And while I agree that it wont drop the price, the vast increase in domestic supply by all rights removes the excuse the petrol companies have used for the last few years to raise the price [not enought supply].. tho im sure they will think of another BS story to bump them up. Im not a massive fan of Oil, but it is what keeps my Province debt free and funds our social programs, and in part, my Country. Plus I love watching David Suzuki freak out when his complaint pool starts to dry up and invents another "enviromental crisis" to wail about. 1st it was a new Ice Age, then it became global warming, then the polar bears, which btw are now rebounding its population, thanks Coca-Cola hahaha, then the "Tar Sands"... what will he come up with next for us to fix..

I love Solar PV cell tech btw, any equator nation could run 100% off of them if they would get to work and install them in mass.

Also.. Obama, DEBT is not a good thing, try harder and break some knees after the election to fix that monster.

[Triumvirate of Mars]

No. But not too far from it, I would like it to be presented on National T.V among allegations. Thats how I would have liked it to be handled... And you know, its nothing too unreasonable to ask for. Black out SS # and undesired information to the public that are actually personal. Have it authenticated, on recorded-live T.V. If he has nothing to hide then why would this be too difficult?

Why is it too much to ask? Because no other President in our history has been harassed this much and had so many valid proofs discounted.

And he already fucking did that, a fucking year ago: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Long_form.2C_2011

Boohoo. Cry. Guess what? The American people do not report to him, neither does Congress, and neither does the House of Reps. And when the American people, Congress and House of Reps ask for something, it is the Presidents job to Represent it no matter how much he may not want to. That is a Democracy, that is a Republic. The people do not report to him, he reports to the people. And if he gets fire from the American people about it, well then... He has some reporting to do.

[Death Metal]

Tell me. Who is Piers Morgan with? Get back to me on that and then my point will be valid.

Irrelevant, as Ron Paul said it in his own words. Who is Ron Paul with?

Ron Paul wouldn't be anywhere near a "dictator" or "against freedom and the constitution" How is that possible when he has always stood up and done exactly as the Constitution says.

Bullshit. He voted for indefinite detention without trial of 9/11 suspects. He tried to ban the Supreme Court from voting on legislature on the state level. He tried to enforce bigotry with the Marraige Defense Act. He even claimed that privacy is not covered by the Constitution in arguing for sodomy laws. He doesn't give a fuck about the Constitution, except how to exploit it.

Why is it that he promotes personal freedom throughout the U.S.

Also bullshit. He has the worst civil rights voting record of any Congressman in history. He even said that Congress was wrong to ban slavery.

Haters of real change are going to hate.

It is real change. Change of the United States of America to the Fascist Confederate Corporations of America. So yeah, I do hate it.

In order to stop the Socializing of this country we need to do a 180 degree turn, and Ron Paul offers just that.

We're in no danger of socializing the country. And if we were, it would be a step in the RIGHT direction.

[Triumvirate of Mars]

I'd relate Lincoln to any dictator and unconstitutional advocate of non-freedom.

Right, the man who freed the slaves is against freedom.

Might as well claim George Washington was a Loyalist.

Uh-huh....

Right, the man who freed the slaves is against freedom.

Sure... The man who freed the slaves... Also the man who took away States Rights and Popular Sovereignty from the nation? Who also violated Posse Camitatus and Habeas Corpes. (Merrymans Case)
Who also effectively caused and started the Civil War because of Federal lands being reclaimed by the south.

[Farnhamia]

I'd relate Lincoln to any dictator and unconstitutional advocate of non-freedom.

Right, the man who freed the slaves is against freedom.

Might as well claim George Washington was a Loyalist.

This is the great trap implicit in the Southern Strategy. By turning Southern Democrats into Republicans, the GOP left itself open to the demonization of Abraham Lincoln. It's their own damn fault.

[Hittanryan]

Why is it too much to ask? Because no other President in our history has been harassed this much and had so many valid proofs discounted.

And he already fucking did that, a fucking year ago: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Long_form.2C_2011

Boohoo. Cry. Guess what? The American people do not report to him, neither does Congress, and neither does the House of Reps. And when the American people, Congress and House of Reps ask for something, it is the Presidents job to Represent it no matter how much he may not want to. That is a Democracy, that is a Republic. The people do not report to him, he reports to the people. And if he gets fire from the American people about it, well then... He has some reporting to do.

He has no reporting to do whatsoever. Your types have been moving the goalposts since he released his birth certificate the first time. Then you cried "It wasn't the long-form birth certificate! He's hiding something!" Then, despite the fact that he could have dismissed your paranoid conspiracy theories, he released that as well. You really can't stand the fact that you lost an election, can you? How do you think we felt with 8 years of Bush with him ruining the country the whole time?

[Bombadil]

At the time yes. While his "Lawyer" senses were being used to lie and promote "Change" Well... He brought change, not the kind of change that a Democratic REPUBLIC needs. Now it is so much so that equality is so out of whack that things have reversed. I'm sticking by the blacks being the racists in todays world. Monuments, memorials, museums dedicated to African Americans, T.V shows for black entertainment dedicated, Congressional groupings that no other minority are allowed to attend, and even schools devoted to African Americans, and yet the majority of the African American population (Poor) are still asking for more.
Some say this is advancing... Well personally, I don't support a "African American History Museum", I support a American History Museum. Get over it.

http://americanhistory.si.edu/

There is one, problem has always been that it's the history of white supremacy really.

Anyway, this is one of those fruitless threads where neither side is interested in any result other than who can snark better, enjoy..

I recognise some Neesika in you

[Hittanryan]

Who also effectively caused and started the Civil War because of Federal lands being reclaimed by the south.

Fort Sumter. Look it up. Go on, we'll wait, or is Wikipedia part of the conspiracy to cover up the "War of Northern Aggression" as well?

You lost. Get over it.

[Death Metal]

Who also effectively caused and started the Civil War because of Federal lands being reclaimed by the south.

Just like when a 290 lb man punches a 12 year old girl without provocation, it's the girl's fault for standing in his way.

Wait, what?



Also, you're arguing that the right to forcibly kidnap people and remove their civil rights is a civil right. That's what's wrong with free-market capitalism in a nutshell.

Oh, for an honest Libertarian who would say "Yes, in Libertopia we'd have rampant quackery, organ-seizure, baby-selling, slavery in all but name - BUT THAT'S FREEDOM!"
Seth Finkelstein

[Wikkiwallana]

Why is it too much to ask? Because no other President in our history has been harassed this much and had so many valid proofs discounted.

And he already fucking did that, a fucking year ago: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Long_form.2C_2011

Boohoo. Cry. Guess what? The American people do not report to him, neither does Congress, and neither does the House of Reps. And when the American people, Congress and House of Reps ask for something, it is the Presidents job to Represent it no matter how much he may not want to. That is a Democracy, that is a Republic. The people do not report to him, he reports to the people. And if he gets fire from the American people about it, well then... He has some reporting to do.

His job is to lead the country to the best of his ability.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

It says nothing about producing papers on demand, especially when there is no legal reason to do so.

[Novairia]

HOW COUND OBAMA BE A BETTER PRESIDENT?

Subject at hand please.

[Triumvirate of Mars]

Triumvirate of Mars wrote:
Tell me. Who is Piers Morgan with? Get back to me on that and then my point will be valid.


Irrelevant, as Ron Paul said it in his own words. Who is Ron Paul with?

Actually, it is relevant. Relevant because Piers Morgan is a British reporter. Look at the telegraph.co.uk and you would see polls on who should win the U.S Presidential bid. Last time I checked, 70% said Ron Paul among all other candidates.

Ron Paul wouldn't be anywhere near a "dictator" or "against freedom and the constitution" How is that possible when he has always stood up and done exactly as the Constitution says.


Bullshit. He voted for indefinite detention without trial of 9/11 suspects. He tried to ban the Supreme Court from voting on legislature on the state level. He tried to enforce bigotry with the Marraige Defense Act. He even claimed that privacy is not covered by the Constitution in arguing for sodomy laws. He doesn't give a fuck about the Constitution, except how to exploit it.

Privacy is not technically covered by the Constitution. Detention of 9/11 suspects was in reaction to the US being attacked. They violated and/or were believed of violating the U.S law and were detained. When Ron Paul opposes the recent NDA Act then I have reason to believe he doesn't want anything to do with the Patriot Act, and indefinite terrorist detention.

Why is it that he promotes personal freedom throughout the U.S.


Also bullshit. He has the worst civil rights voting record of any Congressman in history. He even said that Congress was wrong to ban slavery.

Give me some proof on that. And the government was wrong for effectively banning slavery in the south because it violated States Rights and State/Regional Popular Sovereignty.

Haters of real change are going to hate.


It is real change. Change of the United States of America to the Fascist Confederate Corporations of America. So yeah, I do hate it.

The U.S.A is a Capitalist nation. When he believes in next to no Federal intervention in.. Let alone... Businesses. I can totally see Fascism (Not really). Especially when he goes against the Fascistic policies implemented by Bush and Obama together.

In order to stop the Socializing of this country we need to do a 180 degree turn, and Ron Paul offers just that.


We're in no danger of socializing the country. And if we were, it would be a step in the RIGHT direction.

If you want to be in a Socialized nation then leave the U.S.A. Because it is obviously not for you. Stop trying to destroy one of the last bastions of freedom in the world. Go to France, go to Russia, go to China for all I fucking care. Have fun with your Socialist-Communist countries.