Israel/Palestine - The result of failed migration policies?

[Spiral Sun]

The Israelis have been gerrymandering things for decades with their deportations, land confiscations, and settlements.

Hence why I am suggesting that. If it is 50-50, 51-49, or 49-51, for a compromise, it would be given to someone in Tampere to administer, for 10 years. That way, he gets to start his plan to take over the world, Palestine and Israel will get what it wants, and I can laugh at all three sides.

The only reason the Israelis left Sinai and the Suez Canal was because they were half driven from it and needed to if they wanted peace with Egypt.
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[Kemaliste]

Actually, it is religion.
One particular religion is very very hateful of jews, their holy book equating jews to apes...
How can 2 neighbors co-exist when one of them has made it 'an order from god' to exterminate the other? That particular religion is the problem. Eliminate it, and problem is solved.

It's about mentality. There are Jewish schools that teach the children hatred toward muslims, they indroduce muslims as terrorists. And, Torah is full of unacceptable aggressive barbaric orders, that's a fact.

If It was about Islam, then the Empire which held the title of leadership of Islamic world would not save thousands of Jews from European persecution and settle them in the most qualified parts of the country.

The church murdered 700,000 women, also butchered hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Crusades under the name '' Christianity ''. Not to mention social oppressions over the European societies.

I'm saying them for those who try to insult Islam here.

Those who advocate the illegal immigration of Jews that led to Palestinians losing their homes are such a good example how hypocritical westerners are. That's why I hate them so madly.

[Individual Impersonators]

Actually, it is religion.
One particular religion is very very hateful of jews, their holy book equating jews to apes...
How can 2 neighbors co-exist when one of them has made it 'an order from god' to exterminate the other? That particular religion is the problem. Eliminate it, and problem is solved.

It's about mentality. There are Jewish schools that teach the children hatred toward muslims, they indroduce muslims as terrorists. And, Torah is full of unacceptable aggressive barbaric orders, that's a fact.

If It was about Islam, then the Empire which held the title of leadership of Islamic world would not save thousands of Jews from European persecution and settle them in the most qualified parts of the country.

The church murdered 700,000 women, also butchered hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Crusades under the name '' Christianity ''. Not to mention social oppressions over the European societies.

I'm saying them for those who try to insult Islam here.

Those who advocate the illegal immigration of Jews that led to Palestinians losing their homes are such a good example how hypocritical westerners are. That's why I hate them so madly.

All religions have gone on killing sprees.
I agree with your statements but I dislike the hate part at the end. Hatred just makes it easier to override other peoples desires prepetuating conflict.

If all migration was set on numbers accepted by the local communities, all migrants where legal and all migrants went through extensive security and personality checks prehaps the middle east today would be a bit more peaceful today.

[Spiral Sun]

Actually, it is religion.
One particular religion is very very hateful of jews, their holy book equating jews to apes...
How can 2 neighbors co-exist when one of them has made it 'an order from god' to exterminate the other? That particular religion is the problem. Eliminate it, and problem is solved.

It's about mentality. There are Jewish schools that teach the children hatred toward muslims, they indroduce muslims as terrorists. And, Torah is full of unacceptable aggressive barbaric orders, that's a fact.

If It was about Islam, then the Empire which held the title of leadership of Islamic world would not save thousands of Jews from European persecution and settle them in the most qualified parts of the country.

The church murdered 700,000 women, also butchered hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Crusades under the name '' Christianity ''. Not to mention social oppressions over the European societies.

I'm saying them for those who try to insult Islam here.

Those who advocate the illegal immigration of Jews that led to Palestinians losing their homes are such a good example how hypocritical westerners are. That's why I hate them so madly.

Where are your sources? I might as well also bring up the tens of millions enslaved by Islam.

[Kemaliste]

It's about mentality. There are Jewish schools that teach the children hatred toward muslims, they indroduce muslims as terrorists. And, Torah is full of unacceptable aggressive barbaric orders, that's a fact.

If It was about Islam, then the Empire which held the title of leadership of Islamic world would not save thousands of Jews from European persecution and settle them in the most qualified parts of the country.

The church murdered 700,000 women, also butchered hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Crusades under the name '' Christianity ''. Not to mention social oppressions over the European societies.

I'm saying them for those who try to insult Islam here.

Those who advocate the illegal immigration of Jews that led to Palestinians losing their homes are such a good example how hypocritical westerners are. That's why I hate them so madly.

All religions have gone on killing sprees.
I agree with your statements but I dislike the hate part at the end. Hatred just makes it easier to override other peoples desires prepetuating conflict.

If all migration was set on numbers accepted by the local communities, all migrants where legal and all migrants went through extensive security and personality checks prehaps the middle east today would be a bit more peaceful today.

That was my point. I don't believe in any religion, but It's my principle to always defend '' the aggrieved one ''. The person I quoted was trying to blame Islam so biasedy. If he said something like; '' that's about religion, Judaism promotes hatred and aggression, so It's impossible for Jews to maintain peace in the region '' then I would defend Judaism. Because hypocrisy just makes me crazy. There are lots of atheists on this forum, but they criticise Islam much more harshly than the way they criticise christianity.

[Kemaliste]

It's about mentality. There are Jewish schools that teach the children hatred toward muslims, they indroduce muslims as terrorists. And, Torah is full of unacceptable aggressive barbaric orders, that's a fact.

If It was about Islam, then the Empire which held the title of leadership of Islamic world would not save thousands of Jews from European persecution and settle them in the most qualified parts of the country.

The church murdered 700,000 women, also butchered hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Crusades under the name '' Christianity ''. Not to mention social oppressions over the European societies.

I'm saying them for those who try to insult Islam here.

Those who advocate the illegal immigration of Jews that led to Palestinians losing their homes are such a good example how hypocritical westerners are. That's why I hate them so madly.

Where are your sources? I might as well also bring up the tens of millions enslaved by Islam.

What source do you want ? I've said nothing unproved. That's not news anyway, most of people know that, except extremely biased ones who ignore them.

The history of Islam is not so clean, I'm not a muslim, my problem is that christians, jews and atheists united and they are slamming Islam here together. I'm just revealing the dirts of their shitty religions.

[Spiral Sun]

Where are your sources? I might as well also bring up the tens of millions enslaved by Islam.

What source do you want ? I've said nothing unproved. That's not news anyway, most of people know that, except extremely biased ones who ignore them.

The history of Islam is not so clean, I'm not a muslim, my problem is that christians, jews and atheists united and they are slamming Islam here together. I'm just revealing the dirts of their shitty religions.

The ridiculous numbers you give for the Crusades and that thing about women. I'm not even getting into how the Caliphate had been bulldozing the Christian lands of Iberia, North Africa, the Levant, and the Balkans. I am not even sure what you are talking about for Islamic leadership and settling. You might also want to go back and read my posts in this thread. The Israelis persecute and despise Christians, Europe is irreligious, and I have repeatedly harped against Zionists. It makes little sense for you to insult and declare your hatred for non-Israelis for reasons that do not add up.

[Xeng He]

Where are your sources? I might as well also bring up the tens of millions enslaved by Islam.

I might also bring up the Spanish Inquisition. That totally makes all Catholics anti-Semitic, right?

[Arborlawn]

It is a land dispute. Much like Kashmir with India and Pakistan. The only difference is that religion has been used by one side to convince people to hate the other side.

Let us not forget the fact that most of the Israeli population is "Secular", which is similar to Reform in America. The Reform aren't the most religiously motivated. After the Secular, are the "Spiritual". They believe in God, may or may not be observant Jews. But, overall, they just want to live.

Also don't forget that Arab Israelis are Muslim. Muslims living inside Israel. There are also Druze living in Israel. Many Christians living in Israel. Also, the headquarters of the Bahai faith is in Haifa, Israel.

The majority of people in Israel have little to no religious motivation to go to war with the Middle East.

It's not religion. It is a land dispute.

[Spiral Sun]

Where are your sources? I might as well also bring up the tens of millions enslaved by Islam.

I might also bring up the Spanish Inquisition. That totally makes all Catholics anti-Semitic, right?

The Castillian monarch set it up, threatening the Pope after he tried to stop it with letting the advancing Turkish army to raze Rome. One of his descendants later looted Rome themselves. The Castillians had control over church finances and appointments in Iberia and the Americas for centuries, deporting and imprissoning the religious workers who were trying to protect their congregations. Plus the Spanish Inquisition was a bit overblown, with confessions made under torture being inadmissable, witchcraft deemed impossible, and also brought about the assumption that people were innocent until proven guilty. That and only two thousand where executed in two hundred years. Might as well also point out that Jews were seen as Quislings as they where given many positions of power over the Iberians.

[Spiral Sun]

It is a land dispute. Much like Kashmir with India and Pakistan. The only difference is that religion has been used by one side to convince people to hate the other side.

Let us not forget the fact that most of the Israeli population is "Secular", which is similar to Reform in America. The Reform aren't the most religiously motivated. After the Secular, are the "Spiritual". They believe in God, may or may not be observant Jews. But, overall, they just want to live.

Also don't forget that Arab Israelis are Muslim. Muslims living inside Israel. There are also Druze living in Israel. Many Christians living in Israel. Also, the headquarters of the Bahai faith is in Haifa, Israel.

It's not religion. It is a land dispute.

Has anyone actually been reading my posts? And to undercut your thing about Kashmir, it was Muslim majority but the Indians invaded because it had a Hindu ruler. They used the opposite approach and invaded other areas who's rulers didn't want it or who's people wanting to be seperate from both states.

[Deutsche Demokratische Republik]

The problem is that the Palestinians have a country that is three times as large as Israel for them, right next to Israel called Jordan. But nawww, DEM PALESTINIANS WUNT ERRYTHING, ISRAEL TOO! They're like whiny kids who want to have all the candy in the jar immidiately. Palestinians should move to their real homeland, Jordan, and leave the Israeli people alone instead of bombing and launching rockets at them all the time.

Last time I checked it was the nationalist (of both sides) that wanted all of the land. I don't see why you can't support the Palestinian and Israeli moderates that would accept returning to the 1947 United Nations settlement.

I think you have a weird since of history. It was the British Empire which meddled in the internal affairs of the Palestinian people (then British Palestine) and helped create the modern day Israeli state without any saying from the Palestinian people, all religions in the country lived in peace and harmony until a wave of mass Israeli immigration rose tensions between religions and started the conflict that is still raging on.

How many people have died from Israeli rocket attacks in the last 10 years? Less then 100? How many people have died in the last 10 years from attacks from the Israeli Defence Force? Well over 1,000 people. Instead of forcing the Palestinian people into another country (which is not their homeland) you should be promoting co-operation between the Israeli Government and Palestinian political parties like HAMAS.

[Arborlawn]

It is a land dispute. Much like Kashmir with India and Pakistan. The only difference is that religion has been used by one side to convince people to hate the other side.

Let us not forget the fact that most of the Israeli population is "Secular", which is similar to Reform in America. The Reform aren't the most religiously motivated. After the Secular, are the "Spiritual". They believe in God, may or may not be observant Jews. But, overall, they just want to live.

Also don't forget that Arab Israelis are Muslim. Muslims living inside Israel. There are also Druze living in Israel. Many Christians living in Israel. Also, the headquarters of the Bahai faith is in Haifa, Israel.

It's not religion. It is a land dispute.

Has anyone actually been reading my posts? And to undercut your thing about Kashmir, it was Muslim majority but the Indians invaded because it had a Hindu ruler. They used the opposite approach and invaded other areas who's rulers didn't want it or who's people wanting to be seperate from both states.

I am referring to Kashmir, because Kashmir is a disputed territory, much like the West Bank. Not for any other reason.

[Arborlawn]

The problem is that the Palestinians have a country that is three times as large as Israel for them, right next to Israel called Jordan. But nawww, DEM PALESTINIANS WUNT ERRYTHING, ISRAEL TOO! They're like whiny kids who want to have all the candy in the jar immidiately. Palestinians should move to their real homeland, Jordan, and leave the Israeli people alone instead of bombing and launching rockets at them all the time.

Last time I checked it was the nationalist (of both sides) that wanted all of the land. I don't see why you can't support the Palestinian and Israeli moderates that would accept returning to the 1947 United Nations settlement.

I think you have a weird since of history. It was the British Empire which meddled in the internal affairs of the Palestinian people (then British Palestine) and helped create the modern day Israeli state without any saying from the Palestinian people, all religions in the country lived in peace and harmony until a wave of mass Israeli immigration rose tensions between religions and started the conflict that is still raging on.

How many people have died from Israeli rocket attacks in the last 10 years? Less then 100? How many people have died in the last 10 years from attacks from the Israeli Defence Force? Well over 1,000 people. Instead of forcing the Palestinian people into another country (which is not their homeland) you should be promoting co-operation between the Israeli Government and Palestinian political parties like HAMAS.

You do realize that an "Independent Palestinian State" has never existed? You do realize that Palestinians are a, for lack of better words, made up nationality? They are Arab, and they are Muslim. They are a like, well, 99.5% of the Middle East.

http://www.shoebat.com/bio.php
You should read about Walid Shoebat, a Palestinian who admits that there is no such thing as Palestine. One of his great quotes is this . . .

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

[Spiral Sun]

Has anyone actually been reading my posts? And to undercut your thing about Kashmir, it was Muslim majority but the Indians invaded because it had a Hindu ruler. They used the opposite approach and invaded other areas who's rulers didn't want it or who's people wanting to be seperate from both states.

I am referring to Kashmir, because Kashmir is a disputed territory, much like the West Bank. Not for any other reason.

The first sentence was related to me pointing out how a tenth of the Palestinians evicted were Christian and how Messianic Jews and Christians of Jewish blood are not allowed in. Also the issue how the issue how that headquarters of the Bahai came before Jews did. And how Israeli immigration followed by massaces and forced population transfers removed over 95% of the people living it what had once been a city with the Muslims and Christians having a 96% majority.

[Free foundation]

It is a land dispute. Much like Kashmir with India and Pakistan. The only difference is that religion has been used by one side to convince people to hate the other side.

Let us not forget the fact that most of the Israeli population is "Secular", which is similar to Reform in America. The Reform aren't the most religiously motivated. After the Secular, are the "Spiritual". They believe in God, may or may not be observant Jews. But, overall, they just want to live.

Also don't forget that Arab Israelis are Muslim. Muslims living inside Israel. There are also Druze living in Israel. Many Christians living in Israel. Also, the headquarters of the Bahai faith is in Haifa, Israel.

It's not religion. It is a land dispute.

Has anyone actually been reading my posts? And to undercut your thing about Kashmir, it was Muslim majority but the Indians invaded because it had a Hindu ruler. They used the opposite approach and invaded other areas who's rulers didn't want it or who's people wanting to be seperate from both states.

you need to read history uhmm again . India din't attack Kashmir. Pakistan attacked kashmir in the name of muslim majority. So the Hindu ruler of Kashmir asked for help of India. Also India has not tried to change the demography of Kashmir. It is still muslim majority state.

[Arborlawn]

The Palestinians have never been a nationality, or an independent nation. Even Arabs admit it themselves. These people are Jordanians.

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

- Walid Shoebat, Former Islamic Terrorist and Palestinian Nationalist

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".
- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

"As I lived in Palestine, everyone I knew could trace their heritage back to the original country their great grandparents came from. Everyone knew their origin was not from the Canaanites, but ironically, this is the kind of stuff our education in the Middle East included. The fact is that today's Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations! I grew up well knowing the history and origins of today's Palestinians as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, muslim Sherkas from Russia, muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door. My grandfather, who was a dignitary in Bethlehem, almost lost his life by Abdul Qader Al-Husseni (the leader of the Palestinian revolution) after being accused of selling land to Jews. He used to tell us that his village Beit Sahur (The Shepherds Fields) in Bethlehem County was empty before his father settled in the area with six other families. The town has now grown to 30,000 inhabitants".
- Walid Shoebat, an "ex-Palestinian" Arab -

[Spiral Sun]

Last time I checked it was the nationalist (of both sides) that wanted all of the land. I don't see why you can't support the Palestinian and Israeli moderates that would accept returning to the 1947 United Nations settlement.

I think you have a weird since of history. It was the British Empire which meddled in the internal affairs of the Palestinian people (then British Palestine) and helped create the modern day Israeli state without any saying from the Palestinian people, all religions in the country lived in peace and harmony until a wave of mass Israeli immigration rose tensions between religions and started the conflict that is still raging on.

How many people have died from Israeli rocket attacks in the last 10 years? Less then 100? How many people have died in the last 10 years from attacks from the Israeli Defence Force? Well over 1,000 people. Instead of forcing the Palestinian people into another country (which is not their homeland) you should be promoting co-operation between the Israeli Government and Palestinian political parties like HAMAS.

You do realize that an "Independent Palestinian State" has never existed? You do realize that Palestinians are a, for lack of better words, made up nationality? They are Arab, and they are Muslim. They are a like, well, 99.5% of the Middle East.

http://www.shoebat.com/bio.php
You should read about Walid Shoebat, a Palestinian who admits that there is no such thing as Palestine. One of his great quotes is this . . .

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

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They have been there for two thousand years. Longer, considering the Christians who stayed behind, as well as the Samaritans. As for the flag, it is based on that used during the Arab Revolt when they attempted to gain their independence from Turkey. The British and French turned on their words, partitioning them and locking up their democrats, as well as smothering the report with tens of thousands of signatures from leading people in the Levant that if they had to have a mandateship it would be a unified one under American governance. It was smothered, the French gerrymandered things to bribe Turkey with Arab majority Hatay and the British split Jordan to give a chunk to Jews, both against the rules of the mandateship. And then the Zionists began act of terrorism when they didn't get their way.

[Arborlawn]

You do realize that an "Independent Palestinian State" has never existed? You do realize that Palestinians are a, for lack of better words, made up nationality? They are Arab, and they are Muslim. They are a like, well, 99.5% of the Middle East.

http://www.shoebat.com/bio.php
You should read about Walid Shoebat, a Palestinian who admits that there is no such thing as Palestine. One of his great quotes is this . . .

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoe ... al_Account
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoe ... s_of_Fraud


They have been there for two thousand years. Longer, considering the Christians who stayed behind, as well as the Samaritans. As for the flag, it is based on that used during the Arab Revolt when they attempted to gain their independence from Turkey. The British and French turned on their words, partitioning them and locking up their democrats, as well as smothering the report with tens of thousands of signatures from leading people in the Levant that if they had to have a mandateship it would be a unified one under American governance. It was smothered, the French gerrymandered things to bribe Turkey with Arab majority Hatay and the British split Jordan to give a chunk to Jews, both against the rules of the mandateship. And then the Zionists began act of terrorism when they didn't get their way.

The term Palestine, comes from the Roman translation of Philistines. The Romans expelled the Jews after destroying the Second Temple. Hence, it was called Judea before Palestine. Afterwards, the Romans gave the Philistines the Land of Judea, and named it Palestine. However, Jews had still lived there. We have been there for over 2,000 years. Our religious history even predates that.

[Spiral Sun]

The Palestinians have never been a nationality, or an independent nation. Even Arabs admit it themselves. These people are Jordanians.

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

- Walid Shoebat, Former Islamic Terrorist and Palestinian Nationalist

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".
- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

"As I lived in Palestine, everyone I knew could trace their heritage back to the original country their great grandparents came from. Everyone knew their origin was not from the Canaanites, but ironically, this is the kind of stuff our education in the Middle East included. The fact is that today's Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations! I grew up well knowing the history and origins of today's Palestinians as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, muslim Sherkas from Russia, muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door. My grandfather, who was a dignitary in Bethlehem, almost lost his life by Abdul Qader Al-Husseni (the leader of the Palestinian revolution) after being accused of selling land to Jews. He used to tell us that his village Beit Sahur (The Shepherds Fields) in Bethlehem County was empty before his father settled in the area with six other families. The town has now grown to 30,000 inhabitants".
- Walid Shoebat, an "ex-Palestinian" Arab -

"There is no such country [as Palestine].... Palestine is a term the Zionists invented.... Our country was for centuries part of Syria." However, even before his meeting with David Ben-Gurion in 1934 he had noted that "the goal of the Jews was to take over the country and the goal of the Arabs was to fight against that takeover" (Eisenberg and Caplan, 1998, p. 14).


Hitti.. explained that there was actually no such entity as Palestine- never had been; it was historically part of Syria, and "the Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us because by smearing the walls of classrooms with maps of Palestine, they associate it with the Jews in the minds of the average American and Englishman"... He asserted that Zionism.. was an imposition on the Arabs of alien way of life which they resented and to which they would never submit.[2]


Read a book. Syria was the term used for the region. It was championed by the King of Jordan who wanted to head it, it's main party was founded by a Lebanese Maronite, the groundlayer was Protestant. The French, British, and Israelis prevented this multi-religious, panracial state form coming about.

[Arborlawn]

The Palestinians have never been a nationality, or an independent nation. Even Arabs admit it themselves. These people are Jordanians.

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

- Walid Shoebat, Former Islamic Terrorist and Palestinian Nationalist

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people".
- Syrian dictator Hafez Assad to the PLO leader Yassir Arafat -

"As I lived in Palestine, everyone I knew could trace their heritage back to the original country their great grandparents came from. Everyone knew their origin was not from the Canaanites, but ironically, this is the kind of stuff our education in the Middle East included. The fact is that today's Palestinians are immigrants from the surrounding nations! I grew up well knowing the history and origins of today's Palestinians as being from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Christians from Greece, muslim Sherkas from Russia, muslims from Bosnia, and the Jordanians next door. My grandfather, who was a dignitary in Bethlehem, almost lost his life by Abdul Qader Al-Husseni (the leader of the Palestinian revolution) after being accused of selling land to Jews. He used to tell us that his village Beit Sahur (The Shepherds Fields) in Bethlehem County was empty before his father settled in the area with six other families. The town has now grown to 30,000 inhabitants".
- Walid Shoebat, an "ex-Palestinian" Arab -

"There is no such country [as Palestine].... Palestine is a term the Zionists invented.... Our country was for centuries part of Syria." However, even before his meeting with David Ben-Gurion in 1934 he had noted that "the goal of the Jews was to take over the country and the goal of the Arabs was to fight against that takeover" (Eisenberg and Caplan, 1998, p. 14).


Hitti.. explained that there was actually no such entity as Palestine- never had been; it was historically part of Syria, and "the Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us because by smearing the walls of classrooms with maps of Palestine, they associate it with the Jews in the minds of the average American and Englishman"... He asserted that Zionism.. was an imposition on the Arabs of alien way of life which they resented and to which they would never submit.[2]


Read a book. Syria was the term used for the region. It was championed by the King of Jordan who wanted to head it, it's main party was founded by a Lebanese Maronite, the groundlayer was Protestant. The French, British, and Israelis prevented this multi-religious, panracial state form coming about.

I'll take your advice, and a read a book. How about the Quran?
Here's what the Quran says . . .

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

Here's a more detailed explanation - http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

[Spiral Sun]

"There is no such country [as Palestine].... Palestine is a term the Zionists invented.... Our country was for centuries part of Syria." However, even before his meeting with David Ben-Gurion in 1934 he had noted that "the goal of the Jews was to take over the country and the goal of the Arabs was to fight against that takeover" (Eisenberg and Caplan, 1998, p. 14).


Hitti.. explained that there was actually no such entity as Palestine- never had been; it was historically part of Syria, and "the Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us because by smearing the walls of classrooms with maps of Palestine, they associate it with the Jews in the minds of the average American and Englishman"... He asserted that Zionism.. was an imposition on the Arabs of alien way of life which they resented and to which they would never submit.[2]


Read a book. Syria was the term used for the region. It was championed by the King of Jordan who wanted to head it, it's main party was founded by a Lebanese Maronite, the groundlayer was Protestant. The French, British, and Israelis prevented this multi-religious, panracial state form coming about.

I'll take your advice, and a read a book. How about the Quran?
Here's what the Quran says . . .

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

Here's a more detailed explanation - http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

Do you have supporting references?

Genesis 15:18-21

18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi[a] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates— 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites.”

[Genivaria]

I blame the whole situation on the UN.
Seriously guys? Right in the middle of the Holy Land? Thats where your putting the Jews?
Dick move guys.

[Spiral Sun]

I blame the whole situation on the UN.
Seriously guys? Right in the middle of the Holy Land? Thats where your putting the Jews?
Dick move guys.

Well, the Zionists kind of forced it. Their future prime minister was an organizer for the assassination of the U.N. meditator. And after the generous offer the half of the land with the ports, factories, and plantlife, while only owning/populating less than a tenth of even the area set aside from them.

[Xeng He]

The Castillian monarch set it up, threatening the Pope after he tried to stop it with letting the advancing Turkish army to raze Rome. One of his descendants later looted Rome themselves. The Castillians had control over church finances and appointments in Iberia and the Americas for centuries, deporting and imprissoning the religious workers who were trying to protect their congregations. Plus the Spanish Inquisition was a bit overblown, with confessions made under torture being inadmissable, witchcraft deemed impossible, and also brought about the assumption that people were innocent until proven guilty. That and only two thousand where executed in two hundred years. Might as well also point out that Jews were seen as Quislings as they where given many positions of power over the Iberians.

Very well, then. In that specific case, I would have been wrong to mention that. However, that doesn't change the fact that persecuting people in the name of religion has been done by all religions. Everywhere. Because in the end, people will more readily adapt their religion to suit their views than the other way around.