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by Subgeniustan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:18 pm
by Person012345 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:22 pm
Ovisterra wrote:Person012345 wrote:The universe and life eh? You have some justification for that? Morality itself is a figment of the imagination - it doesn't physically exist in any form, it's just a made up code. True there are biological reasons that most people think, say, murder is wrong, but then "because it's natural" is itself not a justification for anything. So the mere existance of biological reasoning behind a moral code does not make it right or moral.
Yay moral nihilism!
by Jormengand » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:26 pm
Subgeniustan wrote:Something very clever.
Jormengand wrote:It would be really meta if I sigged this.
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:26 pm
by Subgeniustan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:36 pm
by Coccygia » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:46 pm
Hallistar wrote:Coccygia wrote:There are other bases for morality than belief in an invisible old man in the sky who is highly concerned with everything you do.
Fool, haven't you noticed that I've been raping, killing and stealing ever since I stopped believing that an invisible man in the sky was watching me?
by Bottle » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:04 pm
Subgeniustan wrote:
Empathy is not the source of morality, because plenty of moral people such as myself are incapable of empathy due to having Autism spectrum disorders. The psychiatric profession has traditionally classified those of us on the Autism spectrum (myself included, as someone with Asperger Syndrome) as not having any empathy.
by Person012345 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:15 pm
by The Pretend Pub » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:17 pm
by Simon Cowell of the RR » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:19 pm
Lackadaisical2 wrote:By using entirely arbitrary starting points, much like religions do.
by Seperates » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:19 pm
by Northwest Slobovia » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:37 pm
by The Pretend Pub » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:44 pm
Subgeniustan wrote:This is a ridiculous argument. Obviously anybody can call things right and wrong because each person has their own sense of morality. Only a very small percentage of people either are sociopaths who are naturally amoral, or choose to adopt a philosophy that they do not believe in any form of morality. The vast majority of atheists DO have our own personal senses of morality, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. Morality does not come from a nonexistent "God". Religious people actually get their personal senses of morality the EXACT same way as atheists: some things they learn are right and wrong from other people telling them this and them agreeing, and also in some cases they think for themselves and decide that something they see or hear about is either right or wrong. "God" is not the source of morality for ANYBODY; everybody has the SAME source of morality: their OWN BRAIN. And if you think Christians all follow the same "absolute morality" from this "God" fellow who doesn't exist, then why do so many different Christian denominations have such different teachings about what is right and wrong? The idea that there is just one Christian moral system and all Christians have the same exact system of morality is ridiculous. They are all individual human beings with individual senses of what is right and wrong, just like atheists, just like people of other religions. In fact, we even have a word for the part of the human mind that decides what is right and what is wrong: the CONSCIENCE. THAT is the source of all morality, for EVERYBODY, including all the people who refuse to admit it. If you think about it, this helps explain why so many people out there do things that other people consider immoral: everyone decides for themselves what is moral and what isn't. We could have an intrusive moralistic government that would try to legislate morality and make everything certain people consider immoral illegal, but then the vast majority of people would think this intrusive moralist government was the most immoral thing around, for denying people any freedoms and making a large number of what are known as "victimless crimes" illegal, and being unnecessarily intrusive into people's private lives. This is part of why morality and legality are 2 entirely different concepts, although generally speaking, the most immoral things that virtually everyone agrees are immoral tend to also be illegal as well, and a large percentage of things that are illegal tend to also be considered immoral by most people. When you make something illegal and many people don't consider it immoral, for example putting a speed limit of 30 miles per hour on a road somewhere or making file-sharing of copyrighted material illegal or making marijuana illegal, plenty of people will quite willfully break that law and see absolutely nothing morally wrong with their actions. Pat Robertson of all people recently said on his show that he thinks marijuana ought to be legal. This shows that even fundamentalist Christians can't agree on a single system of morality, and that their idea of a single "absolute morality" is a sham. The best evidence that morality is a personal thing and everyone forms their own moral beliefs independently is to just look at all the wide variety of opinions posted in this thread by people who all claim to have morality. Religion may TRY to get everyone to have the same system of morality, but it has been a failure; just look at how the vast majority of American Catholics reject their own religion's "moral" stance on contraception, for instance.
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:44 pm
Bottle wrote:Subgeniustan wrote:
Empathy is not the source of morality, because plenty of moral people such as myself are incapable of empathy due to having Autism spectrum disorders. The psychiatric profession has traditionally classified those of us on the Autism spectrum (myself included, as someone with Asperger Syndrome) as not having any empathy.
Um...NO???
I don't know who told you this, but they are flat out wrong, and if they are a medical or psychiatric professional then they should have their license revoked.
Lack of social or emotional reciprocity MAY be one of the symptoms of SOME autism spectrum disorders, but even that is questioned because of the host of communication, language, and behavioral disabilities that also tend to go along with the disorders.
Plenty of people with autism or autism spectrum disorders have highly developed sense of empathy.
It's fine if you want to argue that empathy isn't essential for morality, but please don't spread misinformation about neurological conditions.
by Person012345 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:49 pm
Ifreann wrote:Bottle wrote:Um...NO???
I don't know who told you this, but they are flat out wrong, and if they are a medical or psychiatric professional then they should have their license revoked.
Lack of social or emotional reciprocity MAY be one of the symptoms of SOME autism spectrum disorders, but even that is questioned because of the host of communication, language, and behavioral disabilities that also tend to go along with the disorders.
Plenty of people with autism or autism spectrum disorders have highly developed sense of empathy.
It's fine if you want to argue that empathy isn't essential for morality, but please don't spread misinformation about neurological conditions.
I don't know what you think you're going to accomplish in arguing with him. He has Asperger's, and is thus more qualified as a neuroscientist that you, a mere qualified neuroscientist. You may as well disagree with me about potatoes.
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:53 pm
Person012345 wrote:Ifreann wrote:I don't know what you think you're going to accomplish in arguing with him. He has Asperger's, and is thus more qualified as a neuroscientist that you, a mere qualified neuroscientist. You may as well disagree with me about potatoes.
Qualified neuroscientist, schmalified schmeuroscientist. I am an experience armchair e-psychiatrist, so there.
by Person012345 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:56 pm
by The Pretend Pub » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:59 pm
by The USOT » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:08 pm
Subgeniustan wrote:This is a ridiculous argument. Obviously anybody can call things right and wrong because each person has their own sense of morality. Only a very small percentage of people either are sociopaths who are naturally amoral, or choose to adopt a philosophy that they do not believe in any form of morality. The vast majority of atheists DO have our own personal senses of morality, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. Morality does not come from a nonexistent "God". Religious people actually get their personal senses of morality the EXACT same way as atheists: some things they learn are right and wrong from other people telling them this and them agreeing, and also in some cases they think for themselves and decide that something they see or hear about is either right or wrong. "God" is not the source of morality for ANYBODY; everybody has the SAME source of morality: their OWN BRAIN. And if you think Christians all follow the same "absolute morality" from this "God" fellow who doesn't exist, then why do so many different Christian denominations have such different teachings about what is right and wrong? The idea that there is just one Christian moral system and all Christians have the same exact system of morality is ridiculous. They are all individual human beings with individual senses of what is right and wrong, just like atheists, just like people of other religions. In fact, we even have a word for the part of the human mind that decides what is right and what is wrong: the CONSCIENCE. THAT is the source of all morality, for EVERYBODY, including all the people who refuse to admit it. If you think about it, this helps explain why so many people out there do things that other people consider immoral: everyone decides for themselves what is moral and what isn't. We could have an intrusive moralistic government that would try to legislate morality and make everything certain people consider immoral illegal, but then the vast majority of people would think this intrusive moralist government was the most immoral thing around, for denying people any freedoms and making a large number of what are known as "victimless crimes" illegal, and being unnecessarily intrusive into people's private lives. This is part of why morality and legality are 2 entirely different concepts, although generally speaking, the most immoral things that virtually everyone agrees are immoral tend to also be illegal as well, and a large percentage of things that are illegal tend to also be considered immoral by most people. When you make something illegal and many people don't consider it immoral, for example putting a speed limit of 30 miles per hour on a road somewhere or making file-sharing of copyrighted material illegal or making marijuana illegal, plenty of people will quite willfully break that law and see absolutely nothing morally wrong with their actions. Pat Robertson of all people recently said on his show that he thinks marijuana ought to be legal. This shows that even fundamentalist Christians can't agree on a single system of morality, and that their idea of a single "absolute morality" is a sham. The best evidence that morality is a personal thing and everyone forms their own moral beliefs independently is to just look at all the wide variety of opinions posted in this thread by people who all claim to have morality. Religion may TRY to get everyone to have the same system of morality, but it has been a failure; just look at how the vast majority of American Catholics reject their own religion's "moral" stance on contraception, for instance.
by Chinese Regions » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:09 pm
by Wikkiwallana » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:12 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
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